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Honestly... and this will be unpopular around here, I know... but fug the defense right now.
We all know we're not winning this year. Build the best OL and WR corp possible and Bryce either sinks or swims in year 2 under Dave Canales.
If he sinks, we'll probably be picking top-3 and at least we'll have a good OL and some weapons for the QB we draft to replace him. If he swims, we go into 2025 with some cap space and draft picks we can use to re-build the defense knowing we've got the pieces on offense.
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Yeah... I'm not losing sleep over this one. He finally showed some promise last year but that's too much for the definition of a JAG.
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They're tearing down the defense to rebuild the offense. Makes sense if we don't expect to win this year.
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Ooof. Thank God we weren't in on that one.
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This isn't on Dan Morgan. Scott Fitterer botched this whole situation. Morgan did about as well as could have been expected considering we had ZERO leverage in either trade OR contract negotiations.
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6 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:
I like Hunt, but not understanding the point of it. I'm sure they want a big, road grader guard to better fit the scheme we're implementing, but BC was pretty good and so is Corbett. Wonder if this means Corbett is toast?
Hopefully it means BC is now a backup. He'd be a hugely useful depth piece to have considering he can play either tackle or guard spot. Having a quality backup swing OL like that can make a huge difference over the course of a season.
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2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:
moton on deck
I could honestly see Corbett being gone before Moton.
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I need to see the Panthers making a move on the OL pretty soon here...
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I feel like all these releases tell us a lot about how Dan Morgan views some of the moves made by Scott Fitterer.
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Purging the Fitterer era one contract at a time...
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13 minutes ago, 45catfan said:
I think most of us prefer Burns to hit the road. Your correct though, retaining both is really not an option.
One is among the elite players at his position, the other is a good - sometimes even great - player who wants to be paid like he's elite.
If you're going to pay elite player money, just make sure you're giving it to an elite player.
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32 minutes ago, hepcat said:
Darnold performed well in 2022 when he was supported by a run-first offense and wasn't asked to win games by himself. He could be a very good QB on a team like Minnesota that will put a lot of talent around him. But if Kevin O'Connell is going to try to throw the ball 70% of the game, Darnold is going to look like he always has.
It never ceases to amaze me how highly-drafted QB busts always find teams willing to try rehabbing them despite the success rate on those type of reclamation projects being nearly zero. How many times has this actually worked in the last 30 years?
I get it for teams that need a backup like the 49ers did; that makes sense. But for teams looking for a starting QB to actually think they can take a guy who has failed to live up to the hype after 4+ years in the league and turn them into a quality starter just reeks of arrogance on the part of the HC and/or desperation or naivety (or both) on the part of the GM.
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I'd be terrified to pay Baker that much with Canales no longer there.
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Jackson Powers-Johnson would be an outstanding pick, but I have my doubts that he'll be there at #33. A team like Buffalo will snatch him up before we pick.
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I think this is more connecting the dots to Canales rather than reporting inside info.
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15 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:
We need to upgrade at literally every position
None more so than the interior OL.
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Well, they at least seem to have the right positions targeted. We'll see if they can actually get anything done.
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Honestly, Ian Thomas has done more than Hurst ever did. And that's not saying much.
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Extend him, trade him; just get it over with already.
He should be traded ASAP if we don't intend to extend him or don't think we can get a deal done. We don't need that much cap space tied up all offseason unless we plan to have him on the field this year. Otherwise we need the cap space to sign a replacement.
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The clear best choice here is to extend him for 3-4 years and move some of this year's cap hit so it's spread out over the life of the new deal. We can't let our only good, reliable OL go just to save cap space.
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57 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:
since we likely are not winning poo this year, its best to just ride with motons contract and no restructuring and kicking the can down the road.
We'd be better off just extending him and using that as an opportunity to lower his cap hit this year.
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My take on what the Panthers can do to improve this offseason.
I've run these moves through Spotrac's NFL cap manager/roster simulator in order to ensure we'd be under the cap.
FRANCHISE TAG:
EDGE Brian BurnsCONTRACT RESTRUCTURES:
S Von Bell ($3.9M cap savings)
OG Austin Corbett ($3.4M cap savings)RELEASES:
TE Ian Thomas ($2.6M cap savings)TRADES:
EDGE Brian Burns + 5th round pick (#141) to Lions for 1st round pick (#29) + 3rd round pick (#92)
At this point we need to either pay Burns or trade him. I'm honestly split on which one is our best option. Do I think he's worth $30M/year? Not really. But is he also our only pass rush threat off the edge? Absolutely. It's a tough spot and, perhaps, Scott Fitterer's biggest blunder as GM on a LONG list of them. However, while I still think an extension can happen there doesn't seem to be much momentum in that direction right now and Burns being tagged and traded appears to be the more likely scenario.That said, we're not getting a Rams type deal now; the leverage just isn't there. But we should still be able to get a 1st rounder and another pick (or possibly a player of similar value) for Burns. In this scenario we trade him to the Detroit Lions for their 1st rounder (#29 overall) and 3rd rounder (#92) while throwing in our 5th rounder. This deal makes sense for both sides; the Panthers get picks we desperately need and the Lions get an impact pass rusher as they try to get over the hump and into the Super Bowl.
CONTRACT EXTENSIONS:
DT Derrick Brown : 4 YEARS, $75M (potential cap savings depend on contract structure)
We should be able to get Brown extended without significantly raising his cap hit this year, assuming the contract is structured correctly. He's one of the few consistent core players we have; gotta get him locked up long-term before this turns into another Brian Burns fiasco. Depending on the structure of the contract it's entirely possible this move could actually save us cap space this year.RT Taylor Moton : 3 YEARS, $55M ($13M cap savings, est.)
This is as much as about lowering Moton's cap hit this year as it is about extending him beyond it. We can cut his cap hit in half for 2024 while adding 2 years to his deal and locking him up through 2026. Like Derrick Brown, Moton is one of the few consistently reliable players we have and on the OL no less. He's not as young as Brown, but if we can extend him while actually lowering his cap hit for 2024 that is an easy call, IMO.LB Frankie Luvu : 4 YEARS, $50M
One of our better players who absolutely deserves an extension. I imagine this gets done as I think Luvu is a perfect fit for the kind of player Dan Morgan talked about wanting on this team moving forward.DE Yetur Gross-Matos : 2 YEARS, $8M
YGM finally started to show flashes last year of the player we wanted when we drafted him in the 2nd round. I wouldn't break the bank for him, but a mid-level deal like this makes sense for both sides, IMO. Alternatively, a 1-year "prove it" deal could also work.FREE AGENCY:
OG Robert Hunt (MIA) : 4 YEARS, $73M
Our biggest need by far, IMO, is the interior OL. Robert Hunt is one of the better pass blocking guards over the last few seasons and would be an immediate and HUGE upgrade over anyone we fielded at LG last season. This move will allow Brady Christensen to become the "6th man" of the OL; a solid backup who can play guard or tackle on either side of the OL. By signing Hunt we're not just filling a need for a high quality starter on the interior OL but also giving ourselves some quality versatile depth with Christensen.EDGE Jonathan Greenard (HOU) : 4 YEARS, $70M
If we do end up trading Brian Burns we'll obviously need to address edge rusher somehow. We have a need there now WITH him so if he gets traded it'll become even bigger. If he makes it to free agency, Jonathan Greenard would be a great replacement for Burns. He's a better run defender and had more sacks than Burns this past season and, based on Spotrac's market value projection, would be a fair bit cheaper, though certainly not cheap.WR Tyler Lockett (SEA) : 2 YEARS, $20M
There are a few options available at WR in free agency, but with Tee Higgins and Michael Pittman getting tagged there aren't any real true long-term #1 options out there outside of Mike Evans and giving a 30+ year old WR the kind of money he'll command isn't ideal for a rebuilding team and Calvin Ridley isn't much younger, which surprised me. What we need is a solid starting veteran option to help stabalize our WR corp (alongside Adam Thielen) while our young receivers (both Mingo + any players we draft this year) develop and play without the pressure of being THE #1 guy right away. Tyler Lockett is very likely to be a cap casualty in Seattle and would be a perfect pickup for us. He's also over 30, but should come significantly cheaper than Mike Evans and has more history with Dave Canales. He also provides much more of a deep threat than anyone currently on the roster.EDGE Josh Uche (NE) : 1 YEAR, $6M
We need depth on the edge as much as we need to figure out who our top pass rusher is going to be. Signing a guy like Josh Uche makes a lot of sense.2024 NFL DRAFT:
#29 : Jackson Powers-Johnson, C, Oregon
If our first pick (wherever it ends up being) isn't an OL or WR I'll be extremely surprised. If JPJ is on the board in this scenario the Panthers shouldn't overthink it; he's a likely future All-Pro center for the next decade. Should things fall this way we could opt to release Bradley Bozeman after the draft or just keep him for competition/depth as we'd only be saving $2M in cap space by cutting him.#33 : Adonai Mitchell, WR, Texas
We obviously need help at WR, even after signing Tyler Lockett in this scenario. Adonai Mitchell figures to be one of the best options available at #33. He could step right in and contribute as a great route runner with playmaking ability.#65 : Bucky Irving, RB, Oregon
Chuba Hubbard has played well, but we need both depth at RB and someone who can provide a little more in the passing game. Bucky Irving could be a major factor in our offense if the way Dave Canales used the RBs as receivers in Tampa is any indication.#92 : Payton Wilson, LB, N.C. State
It seems like we've lacked any real depth at linebacker for a while now. Frankie Luvu has been one of the few pleasant surprises in the Tepper era and in this scenario we have extended him. But Shaq Thompson is coming into a contract year and off a major injury so adding a solid linebacker with some upside like Payton Wilson isn't a bad idea. I think he fits the profile of the kind of player Dan Morgan has said he wants to add and probably should go higher than this but will probably end up going around this range due to some durability concerns. However, the risk is worth it here.#102 : Roger Rosengarten, OT, Washington
We need depth on the OL as much as we need starters. Roger Rosengarten is a player with starting potential who would be great value if still on the board at this stage of the draft.#165 : Nehemiah Pritchett, CB, Auburn
In this scenario we opt not to re-sign C.J. Henderson. Considering Jaycee Horn's issues staying healthy (and Donte Jackson dealing with injuries himself) it goes without saying we need depth at corner.#180 : Justin Eboigbe, DL, Alabama
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Way too early to know what the QB class will look like, but if nothing else Shedeur Sanders should be an option. Or hopefully Bryce shows some life and we can use that pick on a pass rusher or WR.