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On 4/26/2021 at 2:05 PM, Panthers Rhule said:

There's no way the Pats are talking to us about potentially trading up from 15 to 8 for anything other than a QB. I know that there are many who are still dreaming about Fields but it's not going to happen. The writing's on every wall. Go ahead and accept it now and the draft will be much more pleasant. 

Hope that fields falls to us. If we want him, great. If not, trade back and rake some team in the teens. 

3 minutes ago, saX man said:

This year's offensive line class is really good.  Really damn good.  I think 5 first rounders.  9-11 in the top-50.

But what I can't get past is that it's rather undersized; even the top talents. Fit mentioned how important size is and gotta say, I do wonder how it's swayed our opinions on some of these guys.

Notable League-starter LTs:

Wirfs: 34"

Bahktiari: 34"

Trent W: 34.5"

Duane Brown: 34.25"

Whitworth: 35"

Dion Dawkins: 35"

Hell, Moton: 34.13"

Draft Prospects:

There are 3 total LT prospects even over the typical 34" threshold: Darrisaw (34.5"), Leatherwood (34.4), & Spencer Brown (34).  Darrisaw is the one true LT prospect IMO.

Notable shortees:

Penei Sewell: 33.25"

Rashawn Slater: 33.00"

Teven Jenkins: 32.88"

Jalen Mayfield: 32.63"

Liam Eichenberg: 32.35"

Samuel Cosmi: 33.00"

Dillon Radunz: 33.28"

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I'm not intending to throw shade as all 7 of my shortlist are really awesome talents and there are no doubt exceptions to the rule like Jason Peters. However, given what we've heard, I'm curious to who we like the most.  Wonder if Darrisaw (who draws Okung comparisons) is viewed highly and could be a trade down target. 

I don't believe arms length to be make or break but a lot of teams deem it critical on the LT criteria list. This draft has GREAT OL talent, and we better capitalize, but IMO, last year's was superb and this years is slightly behind.

Whatsayyou? How important is arm length?  Does it warrant pause even if they look like absolute brick walls on tape? I mean, in Slater's case, this is even in the face of Chase Young last year, really controlled the dude. 

 

 

 

18 hours ago, weyco2000 said:

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

An insult? Darnold would have to jump to another ladder to climb enough rungs to get to James Winston level play.

Well with respect, i guess we disagree. 

Ill stick with my analysis that Darnold is a rich mans Jameis Winston. Some of you may take that as an insult, it isnt. Winston has all the tools but throws a lot of picks but you can win with him. With this staff and system, winston could win 10-11, i think Darnold can win more.   Certainly enough for playoffs if we help him out. 

3 hours ago, joemac said:

Right because if we don't take a Tackle at 8, there is no other possible way to land a good player at that position....

So all the guys we wont be drafting? Cool. 

Dude, imagine having beane instead of hurney the last few years. That upsets me more than anything else. Guy is a natural and was the heir apparent here.

2 hours ago, PandaMan said:

Hurney magic, baby!  I don’t know why he wasn’t banned from the war room during the second round.  I’ve never seen someone whiff on so many second rounders 

Here it is. Around 3:20

I rememeber watching the bills war room during that draft. They were all worried that when carolina jumped them it was to take cody ford. 

You could tell they were amused when hurney took little instead. 

11 hours ago, BrianS said:

You cannot, CAN NOT, pay two tackles.  One of them needs to be on a rookie or cheap vet deal.  We're paying Moton.  Great.  Draft a tackle.  For the four years (or five if first round) this rookie is on his rookie deal, we are paying Moton.  When the rookie comes due, Moton should be ending and we either bring Moton back to finish his career on a friendly deal or we can draft another tackle and let him walk.

This isn't hard.

8 hours ago, RenoCarolina said:

I don’t think they can afford him either

 

jk

 

but the point I hear from the OP is that A) the reason you can’t pay two tackles is due to cap.  B) the cap is getting ready to explode so, C)  there are new rules in this house. You “can” pay 2 tackles in 2022 so use 8 at another position and build a dominant 

While our cap "explodes" so does everyone elses and the actual good (the OT in this case) is still scarce. So this would just lead to higher priced OTs. Its not just the Panthers cap space in a vaccum. 

3 minutes ago, Agent Blue said:

Realistic one

It gave you an F for drafting Slater? Weird. Who was still available?

28 minutes ago, Michael G said:

https://catcrave.com/2021/04/18/carolina-panthers-sign-quarterback-alex-smith/

What do you think about this potential move?

I trust Rhules ability to evaluate talent to fit what he does. Both coaches and players

5 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I just watched some Darnold video and I was wondering why we took 3 players off this Jets team.  Then I remembered as a player and a coach, sometime you start watching one player and you notice another.  When I was watching an opposing team's film, I looked for the weaknesses on the OL/DL.  If I saw it, I knew I could exploit it.  When being recruited, I was often noticed by schools watching film on my teammate.  So I started watching #67 on some Darnold tapes.  He was not given much time, but man, Elf had some terrible OL around him.  They were not in sync often, but he demonstrated some intelligence and some nasty. 

 

Positives: Great technique. can not swim move him because he keeps his butt low and back straight--does not lunge or reach.  When stunt goes away from him, his head swivels inside to find the LB or help the C.  He repeatedly showed upper body strength and good mobility.  I did not see him pull, but I saw him take a DT from Left A gap to Right C gap in pass protection, creating a lane for Darnold to run for 20 yards. I saw him shove a Raider DT from A gap to C Gap with his right arm on the goal line.  Excellent footwork. Never off balance, obvious football intelligence based on his head movement (When we had Silatolu, I reported that he was confused and did not know where to look during a stunt--when this happens, expect this...he did not know.  Elf gets it.  He seems to have a bit of a nasty streak too.  He uses all he has on every play.  I NOW like this signing and see why we did it. 

Negatives:  He is not overwhelming and can get bull rushed a bit.  When you do not bend forward, making you susceptible to swimming or getting fooled with a stunt or blitz, there is a bit of a trade off.  So getting bull rushed is part of that balance.  Paradis has the same problem, but he has good balance most of the time.  I did not see Elf pull, but I do not see physical limitations to suggest he cannot. 

Analysis:  Remember Evan Mathis, the Guard Carolina released after drafting in the third round in 2005?  He went on to have a 12-year career, with a couple pro bowl appearances as a LG with the Eagles?  He was a G with the Broncos in Super Bowl 50?  That guy?  Well, he did not start getting it until he was about 27.  Elflein will be 27 in July.  I see Elflein as smarter, more disciplined, and just as aggressive.   All signs are pointing toward the light coming on here.  Put a good LT beside him and he will be really good.  Trust me.  As a C?  I think that may be his spot--but he is an upgrade.  We signed him on the first day of tampering because we were studying up on Darnold, and this guy jumps out at you--like a Nun at a biker rally.  I do not want to oversell him, but if you were like me and scratching your head about the 3-year deal, stop it.  You will see. 

Not sure about Erving--I think they like his ability to provide depth at all 5 spots.

 

Just so long as he doesnt have an older brother starting at Center, im willing to get hurt again. 

19 hours ago, WOW!! said:

 

Simple..

What are some of your favorite middle round prospects?? Rounds 3 thru 5..

My 1st Tommy Tremble TE/FB  Notre Dame

 

No more Armageddon and Still have a need for a blocking TE.. He fills a few needs..

great choice, this guy is starting to get some buzz from the nfl draft network guys, kyle crabbs at least. He thinks hes a preferred over the kid out of miami due to his versatility.

1 minute ago, panfanman said:

We only have until the day after the draft to claim the option.  If we don't he's a free agent after the 2021 season.

Didnt know that info, thx. Still works for draft leverage i think. Really after the first round, they can extend him if thats the plan. 

Just now, Varking said:

We aren’t in any rush to do so. It’ll happen though. 

i just like the idea of waiting until after the draft, so teams still think we might draft a QB. 

edit: sorry, didn't know about linking certain sites. My fault. 

i swear i heard we already did. If no, that's a spicy meatball. Panthers finally trying to keep people guessing on their plans.

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Keep swinging until you hit.

Exactly. 

6 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Cox should be gone and #34 is high for Samuel.  Some are calling for a CB at #39, but I think there will be an early run on corners and the value will not be there at #39; in other words, without reaching.

Twyman made me question his athleticism when he ran his 40 at 5.4 seconds.  Remember, he's not a NT and only 280 pounds. That threw up a big red flag to me.