Panthero

Please have mercy great moderator kings. 

Sorry. 

Nah. He's a guy you bring in when you are one player away from a deep playoff run. Or you have a team that can make a deep playoff run, but have gotten sideways at just one position. 

6 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

https://deadline.com/2025/05/nicolas-cage-john-madden-christian-bale-al-davis-first-photo-1236396456/

Holy smokes, glad to see Cage getting to pair up with a great actor like Bale. Cage is hit and miss but when he's dialed in, he's incredible, imo. Here's to Bale being there zones Cage into another great performance. 

If you haven't seen bad lieutenant: port of call New Orleans directed by Warner Herzog (Cage is the main actor), watch it. One of my favorites. Be warned, its not for kids. 

7 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Bill, you don't pay them for the "service". You're paying them to shut up and leave.

On 4/27/2025 at 11:51 AM, Hoenheim said:

Yea it is early to evaluate the trade still but we've at least got some solid data to work with now. Bryce has completed 2 NFL seasons and Caleb Williams has completed 1.

I know he wasn't part of the trade but I also include CJ Stroud and the Texans into this as well, since we could have selected him in 2023.

As it stands right now, I feel like the trade is pretty much dead even. Bears got quite a few players from it but their team success isn't much better or worse than ours. Neither team has made the playoffs in the 2 seasons since the playoffs have started. 

Obviously the Texans and Stroud have been far and away the most successful team of all 3 teams, winning two playoff games in those 2 seasons and having winning seasons + winning their division 2x in a row. 

But all 3 teams have underwent significant change in the off season. The Bears massively upgraded their oline similar to what we did before the 2024 season, and also got a new HC.

The Texans overhauled their WR core. The Panthers got some very solid additions in the off season as well. 

I think the Bears are 2- 0 vs the Panthers since the trade,  but the Texans are 0-1 to the Panthers. 

What say you? Who won the trade thus far? Panthers or Bears?? 

Great stuff. Until Caleb hits, they aren't gonna be able to crow about any picks. The league begins and ends with QB which is why I don't mind us swinging for a qb. I wish we'd have gone after Stroud, but making the move we did for QB was, is and always will be the right move. 

11 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Sounds like someone who got a bunch of Cs in school.  They never meant average

Oh boy. While I love the back talk, what do Cs mean then? Besides what they actually mean?

3 minutes ago, BlazeCarolina said:

I mean it is, but you have to think of it like a completely different system in my opinion.

It's not traditional grades, it is basically "this is how to feel about it" but using a letter scale we are accustomed to.

Yeah, true, but im trying to be an asshole about it. 

Damn that is one big mammer jammer. Love it. Guess he's the backup NT now. 

Didn't know washington had any NIL money to throw around. Guess it makes sense, given their history, but still surprised me. 

Just now, TD alt said:

But that's due to the physical nature of the position. Perhaps you will get what I'm talking about--another perspective--if you calculate how many times an RB actually touches the ball compared to other positions.

you are arguing a different point than I am. Took me a minute to figure that out so we're cool. Still gonna bust your balls though......cause you're wrong.

16 minutes ago, Icege said:

Dang it. This guy isn't falling for the bait either! 

3 hours ago, TD alt said:

Dude, you can probably do that with every single position. 

My point is that on the field, RBs play a key role. They play a vital role on every single play. The position is one of the most important in football. Generally, if you have a very good one, that puts you even more ahead of the game. You can try and argue otherwise, but anyone that knows basically anything about the game, knows that the position is vital to the game. The position is highly valued and central to the game. That's why teams try and acquire a top one via the draft, or in free agency, especially if they're on the cusp of championships. 

All that being said, the position has a relatively short shelf life due to the sheer physicality and centrality of it, so it takes a toll on the best of them. As such that has affected its market value as a whole--not the value that it has on Sundays--and that has caused teams to be reluctant to pay top-of-the-line money for RBs on a relative basis when it comes time to renew their contracts. Even still, the cream of crop can still make a decent payday compared to most players on the team, even though their salaries are a fraction of what some QBs, DEs, and WRs make due to the nature of those positions. But, you know what? Their skills are still coveted, and the vital roles that they play are still central to a team's success. Taking everything into account, smart GMs are always trying to balance the necessity of their play vs the brutality of the position vs what is fair pay in light of all of those realities.

I can't say it any more simple than that. Hopefully you understand what I'm saying, even if you don't agree with everything (or anything). It's OK either way. We're still good.

I checked with every other position. Wanna know the only position with less representation in the first round? Kickers and Punters, with safety being close. Lol. 

3 hours ago, Icege said:

The JB pick made sense at the time.

As has been covered ad nauseum, the ONLY back on the roster was Miles Sanders. Chuba had not been extended (that didn't happen until ~Oct/Nov).

The Panthers made a move to jump in front of the Giants who had JUST let Saquon walk and were desperate for a starting RB. Panthers made the jump and got a guy they were okay with letting rest most of the season.

The re-injury was a freak accident. Nobody can sincerely claim to know when and where it would happen.

This is a major reason for the instability we have seen flourish on the Huddle: people want to ignore the truth and scream their belief until they've convinced others. If we take just a moment to try to understand the thought process + situation it makes it much, much more difficult to spread our malaise.

If a poster is just trying to be angry and miserly, then by all means they can keep gaslighting themselves... just don't pretend to be a victim or better than everybody else when called on it.

Shut up, nerd. 

Honestly these grades are laughable. C is an average grade. Meaning it should be the most common, at least over time. Not everyone is above average, otherwise that's a new average! Bunch a grade inflation bs if you ask me. 

7 hours ago, TD alt said:

Shall we go draft by draft? Shall we talk about Saquon, King Henry, McCaffrey and Josh Jacobs?

Go ahead, then divide by all the RBs drafted and tell me what the percentage is. Spoiler: it's extremely low, which is my point. Picking individual data points does not change the probability of being drafted in the first round vs all drafted runningbacks. 

Your argument = some great RBs in the first round, ok fair. 

My argument = some great RBs in the first round ÷ all running backs in all rounds. 

My number is much smaller. That's what sets the typical price for RBs, not the outliers at the top. 

44 minutes ago, TD alt said:

You see that's where we disagree. Nearly almost every year there is at least one or two backs taken in the first round. If was as you say, then this wouldn't be. Runningbacks are very much prioritized until teams can get one better. It's just the nature of the beast, just like their wear and tear, which causes most of them to lose value by the time of their contract renewals. But the special ones still retain value, if not with their original teams with another.

It's not about disagreeing. Your position is factually incorrect. Driven in large part by a pass happy league. Taking one or two data points doesn't refute the rule. 

5 hours ago, TD alt said:

RBs have always had a lot of positional value, especially the top ones in a class. On the field, they are key. Their value only comes into question at the time of contract renewal for different reasons, but their positional value in regards to the actual dynamics of the game is as important as ever.

"Different reasons".

Positional value is realized in the market. Either there isn't much demand or there's too much supply. In either event, most runningbacks (other than maybe two or three in the entire league) are not prioritized. 

24 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Post yours up. 

Here are mine(INB4 20+ poos).

This was how I had it all graded.

Tetairoa McMillan: A-
Nic Scourton: D+
Princely Umanmielen: A
Trevor Etienne: F
Lathan Ransom: C-
Cam Jackson: B
Mitchell Evans: C
Jimmy Horn Jr.: B

I feel the Scrotum grade is too low. B and the Manleyman grade too high, B-. 

Hes doing pretty good EXCEPT for the damn 2nd round last year!!! 

4 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

It’s only dumb bc he injured his knee again. If he had come on last year and looked like a poor man’s J Gibbs, it wouldn’t seem dumb. Hate it worked out that way for the guy and really hoping he works out and can stay healthy this time. 

Taking an injured guy at a position that is neither a need or has much positional value is dumb. Why are you trying to argue this? It's a bad position. Showing me up for being negative isn't worth taking a bad angle.