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Do we know if Deshaun actually likes this guy? 

No thanks,  Stafford is on the back end of this career.

Sad he never made the superbowl but choked in big moments.

Another bad contract, should have kept Star.  

I would be elated if this happens

So how did Kuechly do this year?

Agreed, great film!  

For those who still don’t take this seriously or fail to understand the meaning of exponential growth and how quickly we’re going to get engulfed by this virus. Consider the following parable about exponential spread.

"You have a pond of a certain size, and upon that pond, a single lilypad. This particular species of lily pad reproduces once a day, so that on day two, you have two lily pads. On day three, you have four, and so on.

Now the teaser. “If it takes the lily pads 48 days to cover the pond completely, how long will it take for the pond to be covered halfway?”

The answer is 47 days. Moreover, at day 40, you’ll barely know the lily pads are there”

At the rate we’re going half of our country will have the virus in about 8 weeks.  I hope our government will do what’s necessary to force people into isolation and flatten the curve so our hospitals can handle those who are really sick

6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I am sorry and I hate the guy too but this lack of preparation goes across multiple administrations. We have never, EVER been adequately prepared for something like this. That is one truly bi-partisan issue is completely and totally ignoring any sort of preparation for a pandemic. We've seen bad flu seasons(which this will likely mirror) that have overwhelmed our hospitals. H1N1 severely stressed our healthcare system. But people just didn't freak out the same way they are about this. The lack of forethought has always existed. 

Maybe  not to the extent of this crisis but we could have responded a lot faster than the idiot Trump who called it a Hoax for 6 weeks.

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

We didn't have months. We've had years. Did anyone forget H1N1(which infected over 20 million people and caused 3900 deaths)? Did we not already see a version of this disease(OG SARS) and another in MERS? We could have been prepared for this, but we weren't. Hospitals don't prepare for worst case pandemic or illnesses. Nor does our government. It is a fundamental weakness.

If you're going to get into  that, then the only person to blame is Trump.  Obama administration left him with the infrastrucutre and plans to deal with pandemic based on the H1N1 and Ebola experience.    Trump dismantled it in 2018 and reallocated funding.

One thing to keep in mind is that this novel virus is unpredictable, we don't know if and how it may mutate again which could impact who is at risk and the ability to build a vaccine and general immunity 

Copied:. Good explanation here:

Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu?  Here it is in a nutshell.   I hope this helps.  Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand...   

It has to do with RNA sequencing....  I.e. genetics.

Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”.  The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system.  This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year...  you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.  

Novel viruses, come from animals....  the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu).  But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then it’s a problem,  Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off. 

Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years it’s only transmission is  from an infected animal to a human before  it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human... once that happens..we have a new contagion phase.  And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, thats what decides how contagious, or how deadly it’s gonna be..

H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu.    It’s RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.  

Fast forward. 

Now, here comes this Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people.  At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human.   Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”

This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity). Took off like a rocket.  And this was because, Humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.

And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs..

That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza....  this one is slippery AF.   And it’s a lung eater...And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.

We really have no tools in our shed, with this.  History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics.  Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.

Factoid:  Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Black Plague passed...(honestly...I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation...

And let me end by saying....right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next.  

Be smart folks...  

#flattenthecurve.  Stay home...  and share this to those that just are not catching on.  

9 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

No, I am not an expert.  I was asking you what experts you were referencing that were saying the things you mentioned.  What experts are saying the mortality rate is ten times that of the flu?  I am looking at the CDC website and there isn't anything that says its 10 times that of the flu.  You provided a link to a map that doesn't do any comparison to flu deaths and doesn't provide context

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/487086-coronavirus-10-times-more-lethal-than-seasonal

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-11/fauci-warns-coronavirus-far-more-lethal-than-seasonal-flu

1 hour ago, CPcavedweller said:

Perhaps, but you're also only counting known infections and not people who simply have the virus and are asymptomatic. With those numbers, you likely cut down the 10x to 1.5x. 

I'm also not convinced that this hasn't been in the US longer than the known case in Seattle.

See my other post.  Unknown cases are accounted for, otherwise the fatality rate would be 50X higher. 

11 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

What experts?  Everything I have seen so far says that the death rate is either a little higher than the flu, or that they don't really know at this point.  It also seems to vary according to region.  The worst hit region in China had a 2.9% death rate, while others are as little at .04%. 

https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html

It seems to me that the biggest issue right now with this thing is that the experts just don't have enough information at this point. 

So you're the expert now?  I think I'll trust the CDC and WHO than some random Joe on a forum.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

At the moment I type this, there are 205,452 confirmed cases with 8,248 deaths.  That's more than 4% fatality rate.  Even if we assume 4 times as many unreported cases, that's still 1% or 10x higher than the flu which is at .01%.  

Death rates vary significantly by country and age.  Italy is getting hit hard due to lower capacity of beds and an older population, compared to Germany who has a very low death rate so far.  

You're right that we don't have enough information which is exactly why we need to assume the worse case scenario instead of wishfully thinking this is like a flu.  All the medical experts are saying don't take the chance and stop trying to downplay it.  

8 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

Truth of the matter is that if you don't feel bad, you aren't necessarily going to know to stay home. 

Fun fact: anyone can get the Flu. Many, many people likely have the Flu and are asymptomatic; a virus that killed 61,099 in the US alone during the winter of 2017-2018. The response to those deaths is minimal and it's understandable. 

Coronavirus seems to be more cantagious, sure, but we don't know what the true mortality rate is. Most likely we will find the mortality rate to be much lower than it's projected right now as there are going to be many, many people without symptoms and many more who have symptoms but aren't tested, thus aren't included in immediate "confirmed cases"

 

Experts say that the fatality rate is said to be 10x higher than the flu.  If we assume that the 2017-2018 Flu  killed 65,000 people out of 45 million who were infected, that's a rate of 0.014% .   Multiply it by 10 and that means about 650,000 people would die from Coronavirus.  The number is likely in the millions because Coronavirus is proving to be more contagious and the likely number of infections (if unchecked) would be 50-60% of our population. 

Just thought I'd put it in context for you.  

41 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Life is going to be disrupted for a while. The illness will be a big problem for the elderly and those who have underlying health conditions -- particularly those with asthma, COPD and emphysema -- life threatening in the worst cases. Most folks who catch it, however, will recover after feeling lousy for a while.

The economy will be disrupted, not just for the immediate future but also for a way on down the line as ripples throughout the supply chain affect industry and retail. Banking, lending and investing are bracing themselves for hits to their sectors as other businesses/people who run close to the margin are unable to keep up with their debts during this time. 

It will be okay, though. This isn't going to be the bubonic plague revisited, or even the 1918 Influenza pandemic. We have better medical technology, better understanding of epidemiology, better communications, better nutrition and a whole host of other items that should give everyone hope and peace of mind. Yeah, it will possibly get rough, but as much as anything for the average person it will just be a massive inconvenience for a while. For those with elderly family members or who have lung ailments, keep them in your prayers and do everything you can for them.

Until this all passes, just wash your hands, avoid big crowds and show common courtesy to those around you. The world is going to have to slow down for a bit, make the most of it.

Nobody is calling for panic but please stop trying to downplay how dangerous his virus is.  According to the WHO, 1 in 5 people become seriously ill.  There is no telling how this Virus may behave and evolve.  It is time for everyone to do their part and stop the spread of this deadly virus.  Plenty of people who are not elderly or even without compromised immune systems have died as well.