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4 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

Good on him for sticking out for a better situation. Top 5 defense and playmakers on offense.

And the city he knows, and loves.  Let's not forget all the many, many charitable events he created and personally participated in here.

That first time a kid in the EZ gets an NFL ball from Cam's hand will be some occasion.

Like so many of us, I hoped he'd somehow re-sign here, in order to retire a Panther.  But this accomplishes that, and hopefully also allows him to lead us to many more wins, and for many years.

He is not old, he is healthy, and he is dangerous and motivated.

Posted this too late on another thread -- who agrees with my assessment?

This is classic Karma.

There is no more abiding theme in literature than the Homecoming.

I see no downside to this.

These are just a few of the upsides:

Cam gets to play again, and for the team he is associated with.

Tepper makes the move nobody expected him to, but which endears him to the fan base he was losing, and fills the home seats with rabid, emotional fans.

CMC, DJ, and even Robbie now have a reason to suit up -- tell me they're not all overjoyed.

What a blast it'll be when he points out his first 1st down!

There is now a reason to watch the Panthers again, and to hope...

I was told the Apaloosa Model would work.

Wha' happened?

A lot of Huddlers have given Bill B. a win because of his coaching brilliance.

But let's keep in mind that he no longer has Tom Brady to win all those games for him.

His record this year is no better than ours, he's never won in Charlotte (even with Brady), and of the Pat's 4 wins this year, none (other than vs the Jets) have been for more than 3 points.

With CMC, Shaq and Gilmore in the lineup, very winnable game for us.

I predict 34-20. Panthers.

10 hours ago, Geronimo said:

punk ass bitch 

Like to see you call him that to his face.

Anyone who comes on here and calls our best player a "punk ass bitch" is to me the definition of the worst kind of troll, and should be banned.

3 hours ago, frankw said:

this a business driven by fans investments so might be worth considering before posting

Incorrect, sir.  Buying a jersey, or a hot dog and beer, or even a PSL, amounts to nothing to the NFL.  The NFL is a business driven by corporate advertising dollars, and TV contracts.

5 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

It amazes me how many people would live their whole lives around other people and not realize the vast majority of them do not consider a lack of expertise any reason to withhold sharing their opinion about anything and everything with the world.

--My definition of all social media: idiots talking all over each other.

Expressing "one's right to free speech" encourages the weakest minds to share their output -- akin to vomiting on somebody else's lap.

I know the Pats are an average team, as are we.  Other than the win vs the Chargers, they've done little -- other 3 wins were vs the Texans and Jets.  They've only exceeded 29 points once, the drubbing of the Jets the 2nd time, which skews their average pts scored. 

They allow more rushing yards, and more passing yards, than we do, and they have not yet faced a Defense as strong as ours.

I don't think their Defense will shut down our running game, and I think, at home, we have a better than average chance to win this game.  Our front 7, now that we've got Shaq and YGM back, and with Gilmore at press corner, will cause turnovers.

6 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No you don't. You just want a "positive takes only, delusional are fine" echo chamber. The slightest of differing opinion and you complain incessantly.

Here's a novel idea for ya, Mr. Moderator:  Create 2 of your Echo Chambers -- 1 for us fans of the team who can discuss mistakes, corrections, failings (but who do so in an optimistic and positive framework,) and a 2nd Chamber of Horrors (catch the Halloween reference?) for all the toxic, fault-finding, "I never made a mistake in my life, and being the superior individual that I am, I can't abide anyone who does," trolls who aren't really fans of the Panthers, but who only post here to hear themselves talk, and irritate others?

Hint: you're imminently qualified to head up the second group, as it's obvious anyone who exhibits a sunny outlook irks the hell out of you.

This win must be galling you right now.  Admit it.  Try harder to have a good life.  As someone who's played Linville Ridge CC, I can attest that you live in a beautiful area.  Go get some sunshine, and look on the brighter side of this fleeting life we all share.

Oh, (and to really piss you off,) "Go Panthers!"

1 hour ago, JawnyBlaze said:

Football move has to be made while in possession, so he can’t make one while catching the ball. General rule, if they never catch their balance after going airborne to catch the ball, then possession has to be maintained through the ground. 

I may be late to this party, but here's my take: this notion of a "football move"  may be the sticking point here.  In the field of play, it's generally considered such when a receiver takes 2 steps after securing possession of a catch.  In the EZ, it's getting both feet (2 steps, by definition) down in the EZ, while maintaining possession of the catch.

Hence, in this instance (absolutely no bobble or loss of control of the catch,until both feet were planted, and he'd gone out of bounds.)

Bad call; worse review.  Catch.  TD.

The references earlier of "breaking the plane" of the EZ line, then fumbling a split second later, is irrelevant.  This rule applies to rushing TDs, not receiving TDs.

A wins a win, but hell, they made it tough, with all the subjective and inconsistent PF and Holding calls.

46 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Don't hold your breath.

It's okay.  Exhalation accomplished.

If "playing myself" is being a supporter of the team, rather than an outright hater, then so be it.  I haven't lived this long being negative.

But wait... I'm sure @LinvilleGorgewill be by soon, to eat his crow.

(If I can do it, you can, Mr. Mod from the Dark Side)

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Well, our weakness is rushing defense(19th rated DVOA, 13th in Rush YPG, 23rd in YPC) which matches up well with Atlanta, as they have a bottom 6 rushing offense(31st rated DVOA, 27th in Rush YPG, 29th in YPC). Their passing attack is a little anemic for them(24th rated DVOA, 10th rated Pass YPG) but they also score most of their TD's through the air(80% on the season). That also matches up well with us as we have the 9th best passing defense(DVOA), allow the 7th lowest completion percentage, and allow the 2nd least passing yards per game. This feels like a matchup we should win.

Now for the bad news.....although Atlanta has a bad defense(30th DVOA overall, 30th Pass DVOA, 28th Rush DVOA), we have an equally bad offense(30th DVOA overall, 30th Pass DVOA, 21st rated Rush DVOA). We also average 1.6 giveways per game to their 0.8 takeaways per game. This really appears to be a matter of which team will stink it up the worst. Also, while they appear to be bad offensively, they also protect Matt Ryan well(9th in Adjusted Sack Rate and only 9 sacks allowed all year). This really appears to be a matter of which team will stink it up the worst on offense.

Given our recent games, it is a little hard for me to believe that our offense will be able to muster much, even against a unit this bad. 

Ah, yes, the old stink em up Ratio.  They should have an acronym for that, like DVOA -- let's make it SEUR, for future brevity.

But don't discount that ol' standby, the over-confidence index, the OCI, which definitely favors us this game.

I note Atlanta has not faced a DL like ours yet this year, so their sack protection numbers may be misleading.  And Philly beat them by 26, they've only reached 30 points one time, and they barely squeaked by lowly Miami by 2.  Not a powerhouse.

The more I discuss it, the more confident i become.  Ah, homerism!

58 minutes ago, Monrowed said:

24-18 Panthers.

Why? Because everyone expects them to lose.

Classic contrarian thinking -- I love it.

After believing that bogus stat about Sam's 888 passing yds through the first three games, I'm now chastened and more realistic.  @LinvilleGorgewas right; I was dead wrong.

Yet there is this: despite the give-up, dejected negativism shown by all you knee-jerk Huddlers, we must remember that the NFL is full of surprises.  While a 4 game losing streak may technically extrapolate to a 14 game losing streak, that is no more guaranteed than an undefeated season was after wk 3.

Let's remind ourselves that the Falcons are a flawed team, too, and no world-beaters.  I don't see Darnold under much pressure, as Atl only has Grady Jarrett as a threat rusher.  Conversely, their OL is way below average, leading to Ryan being under siege and taking a multitude of sacks.

After our humiliation at the hands of the Giants, two things are likely to occur: the Falcons sense an easy pushover, and the Panthers are mad as Hell.

I predict 2 TD passes from Sam, 5-6 sacks by our Defense, and a 27-13 win.

Re: Offensive DVOA:

So much media and fan attention is paid to college success of RBs and QBs (Heisman hype), but in the pros, RBs become fungible properties, and QBs are hit or miss (as a thousand threads here have shown.)

I'm sure I don't know how to do it, but pro scouts and GMs are paid to, so they sure should -- I'm talking about the evaluation of blockers, the true determiners of so many Wins and losses in the NFL.

If there's not a hole, not many great RBs will make one himself.  If there's not 3 seconds of pocket protection, not many QBs will succeed in passing, either.

The OL may not be glamorous, or even identifiable to the average fan.  But it's the backbone of winning, and our "brain trust" better emphasize it next year, better than they have so far.

3 hours ago, Zod said:

Ok folks, let's hear it.

 

Please tell me we win.

We win.

There.  Enough of this recency biased negativity.  It's the Giants guys -- a truly terrible team.  We far surpass them in talent, they have little pass rush, and average giving up 137 a game on the ground.

Team Statistics Comparison

Passing Yards/Game

Car 262.2

NYG 286.7

Passing Yards Allowed/Game

Car 216.0

NYG 275.5

Rushing Yards/Game

Car 109.5

NYG 89.8

Rushing Yards Allowed/Game

Car 111.5

NYG 137.2

Points/Game

Car 23.8

NYG 19.0

Points Allowed/Game

Car 20.2

NYG 29.5

18 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

No wonder when Sam has to bail, he does so to the right side of the line.  Yikes!

Actually a lot of his bail outs have been to his left, which compromises his throwing ability downfield.  They should design roll outs to the right, as he does often make good throws on the run.

1 hour ago, glenwo2 said:

I guess knee-jerk'ness is what being a Fan is all about.

should read, "what being a Huddler is all about."

Recency bias abounds here.

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

^^^This.  The sack fumble was on the OL who facilitated the jailbreak and the opening play INT was just as much on Anderson casually strolling around on a scramble drill as it was on Darnold for trying to force a play.

Anderson is a terrible route runner, lazy through his breaks, telegraphing his intentions, and never contesting for the 50-50 balls (of which there are many, since he never gains separation).  His only helpful function would be on a deep go route, where his speed might come into play, but our OL (non) blocking pretty much wliminates those -- unless we established a ground game, and then used play action to buy some time.  Even then, he'd have to run a crisp hitch and go, and I'm not sure he could pull that off.

If he does no better next game (if he can't vs the Giants secondary, he's nothing), then bench him. and put Zylstra in to start)

If he were to contest that first pass, and it goes incomplete, maybe a whole different tenor to the game.

No way so I think Sam played anywhere near a sharp game at QB.  He was very slow in seeing the field and not quick in getting the ball out -- but his hesitancy and inaccuracy were compounded by the alligator arms of Robbie and Chuba, and the unimaginative play calling of Brady.  Along with the many whiffs by the matadors up front, it constituted the perfect storm that he went through with the Jets.

Thank goodness we have the get well game vs the Giants next week, to maybe get some confidence back in the team.  I know they're shell-shocked and angry right now.

I wasn't keeping count, but does anybody have an idea of the under center/shotgun ratio that Sam was in?   Looks like he's not under center often.

Seems to me, with the # of times he handed off to Chuba, that being under center and showing a hard play-action fake handoff, it would buy that extra split-second to allow a WR to be open deep.

Works for other QBs.

I don't care what he says in a presser.

But he better be raising hell in the coach's meeting room.

Our ST group is inferior, and that's mild.  Blackburn should be on notice.

I have no complaints about Snow's D -- they did their part to win the game.  Sure, if that bad snap is recovered for the TD it should have been, it's a different game.  But that ball was slippery, and it was just a bad break that it wasn't.  The D was trying to fall on it.

The elephant in the room that Rhule didn't acknowledge is his own timidity.  I only hope somebody mans up and points it out to him, or he looks in the mirror and sees his own errors in punting.

Lastly, he's got to get with his OC and plan and call a different style of play.  Passivity never gets it done in the NFL.  Go study those brass balls in Tepper's office.

@VergeI appreciate the glass half full attempt.  You talked me back from the ledge.

Sure, there were some good things to fall back on, among which was the success of our new FG kicker.  But our coaches have GOT to find a way to motivate some results in our 3Q play.  It's atrocious to go into halftime ahead, and then slowly piss it away, again.

I've been a big Darnold supporter (here's looking at you @LinvilleGorge; you had him figured better than I, I admit) but he was abysmal today.  Maybe it was an aberration, maybe not.  But I see that his record lifetime is 0-12 when he throws 2+ INTs.

I'm very critical of the play-calling on Offense.  I'm sick of sending our RB into the middle of the line that can't block, on 1st downs  -- I'm sure it's not, but it seems like every series, just like we did with CMC.  If Sam would mix those up with play-action, maybe, just maybe, our WRs might be able to gain some separation, and break a long one.  Robbie Anderson plays like a zombie (though a rich one.)  But get some creativity into the play selection.  Predictability is easy to defend.

It'll take a few wins to restore my lost confidence.  This is a Win we threw away, and they don't come easy.

1 hour ago, Scott12345 said:

Unfortunately Erving probably not squirming too much…he still gets paid millions

The fact that Erving still finds employment, and deposits a fat check, only underlines the shortage of talented OLmen on the market -- or indeed, on current rosters.

They don't grow them big boys on trees, like they do WRs.

In Fitt we trust.  When the opportunity presents itself, he'll strike.

13 minutes ago, AcrossThePondPanther said:

whilst Daley, Miller, Paradis and Erving are at the helm. 

More like manning the oars, wouldn't you say

And not well at that.