Sgt Schultz

10 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

Just bumping this because I just want to remind everyone where we really are sitting in the predraft discussion. Told y’all two weeks ago that pretty much everything you’re hearing or would hear is a lie. I still stand by that, I will say though it does sound like we are drafting Young, but that’s about the only thing I’d put any weight to at this point.

the CJ Stroud stuff is 100% a team lying it’s butt off putting a lot of false info out there about him to get him to fall in the draft. My money would the Colts trying to put enough doubt out there for him to fall past the Texans.

I just treat everything about the NFL draft like it is some politician in Washington DC speaking.

"Oh, look, his lips are moving......that means he is lying."  That turns out to be correct almost every time.

It's too much work filtering out any needles of truth from the haystack, and it is not worth the effort.  I'll find out tomorrow night what happens in the first round.

Thanks for posting this, @therealmjl.  I listened to Reich's, saw this but didn't listen thinking there would be nothing groundshaking.  I'll give it a listen.

I'm taking a blank slate approach to most of our roster, particularly younger guys.  I have no idea whether they will be good or not, but I am certain we were never going to find out while The Process was here.  Reich and company more or less a reset for them.

1 minute ago, Mother Grabber said:

seriously, i’m confused about this thread. is there something going on today?

It's Wednesday, April 26th.  That only comes once a year, so let's all raise a glass!

Today is sort of a day of peace before draft day where we have the #1 pick, and not due to us stinking up the league so badly in 2022 that the cupboard is completely bare. 

I also think it is BigKat's noble effort to get people on the same page that have been treating the Richardson vs. Stroud vs. Young (in alphabetical order) debate like the Hatfields and McCoys. 

I don't know if it will work, but reading this beats reading the latest batch of tired threads that equate to a territorial dispute between those two fine families.  Just seeing that nonsense end (assuming it does or at least becomes noise) is worth the price of admission, alone.

5 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

Rhule is one of the worst coaches the NFL has ever seen, but he probably could have lucked into a winning season with Cam and Luke. 

Nah, Rhule would have screwed that up. 

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Haven't looked, but I'm pretty sure Rivera still holds both the highest winning total and winning percentage of any coach we've had.

Heaven knows he had his flaws, and his firing was absolutely justified.

But nothing...nothing was as horrible as the Panthers under Matt Rhule. The idea that anyone else even could be is just plain ridiculous.

You are correct.

And to think, the point of this thread was to say the guy who has the best winning percentage of any coach we've ever had is worse than the guy with the worst winning percentage of any coach we've ever had.

Then again, we had people trying to convince us that Sam Darnold would evolve into John Elway if we just gave him one more chance, so this is not completely unprecedented territory.

Matt, why are you trolling a Carolina Panthers forum instead of talking up The Process to some high school kid in Nebraska?

1 hour ago, Jon Snow said:

ESPN has been garbage for over a decade.  I would not even care if they ceased to exist because is stopped watching that channel over a decade ago. I have it blocked on my streaming package just to cut down on the channels I have to skip over. Good riddance.

Now that they have the NHL, or at least part of it, I have actually turned ESPN on for a few hours.  Otherwise, I'd thrown in the towel on them a decade or so ago.

And they suck at NHL coverage,  too.

48 minutes ago, Ocpanthertew714 said:

Saw it posted in NFL News thread, feel free to lock this up.  Calling thread police on myself

I hear this guy wants a word with you.

1 minute ago, rippadonn said:

BY has NO wheels for the NFL. NO rush yards to speak of in college.

You must be talking about a dual threat like Corral or Cam, right?

AR I meant AR.

Unfortunately, for a lot of Cam's time here he was THE rushing and passing production.  If the coaching staff could have found a way for him to catch his own passes, he would have been responsible for the receiving yards, too.

I'm hoping we have an coaching staff who knows more about offense than "they are the guys on the field when the defense is resting."  When Cam was here our staff in general didn't know much more than that, and our offensive staff was lazy.

2 minutes ago, Zaximus said:

With Cam, I felt like if you made to the redzone you was probably getting a score, especially that 2015 season.  What could have been with an NFL offensive line and better coach.  Do not forget Cam, or what he gave us, but it is time to move into, apparently, the Bryce Young era, let's go.

Exactly.  Anybody who is going to compare the QB we select this Thursday or any time in the future to Cam is setting themselves up for disappointment.  Cam was the best QB and offensive playmaker in our history.  Normally a new QB operating in the shadow of the franchise legend ends after the first or second guy to follow the legend.  I hope that normal comparison "expiration date" applies here, but I have my doubts for a good portion of our fans.

We may wind up with somebody (Thursday or in the future) who is a better QB than Cam, but I doubt they will be a better playmaker.  That is the part that may be untouchable. 

The good news is we have an offensive coaching staff who will answer questions about our offensive strategy with more than "we have <insert QB name here>," so success will likely be determined by more than just the legs and arm of that one person.

Thanks for this post, @TheMostInterestingMan.  I just hopped on here after running errands all morning, and seeing the list of typical "the guy I want is the greatest ever, if you don't agree you are a moron, and if they don't draft him I am going to hold my breath" threads, I was thinking of logging out and not coming back until Thursday night.....and not necessarily expecting great things then.  Then I ran across this.

People can blame you that I didn't just punch out all week!

I'm optimistic.  Still a little cautiously so, but not nearly as much as in recent years.  I'm not looking at the opportunity this team has with dread, like I would have for the past five or so years (aka - how are we going to screw this up?). 

10 hours ago, Black&amp;BlueBubba said:

Real grass please.  Let not have our new QB landing on concrete.  Grew up going to VET stadium in Philly.  That poo was a Parking lot to land on.  Especially in cold games.  
 

I grew up in St. Louis, and Busch Stadium had AstroTurf for a long time, too.  Horrible stuff.  I was a baseball umpire, and was on a crew that did an exhibition at Busch Stadium after a Cardinals baseball game one July.  We walked out on the field and you could see the heat waves rising from the turf.  Between that, the fact it was laid over pavement, and it caused "carpet burns" if exposed skin slid on it I never understood why anybody would use it.

Then, in winter, it basically froze and was harder than hell.

Field Turf and the newer surfaces are infinitely better than the original AstroTurf was, but they still aren't grass and dirt.

George Toma (aka the Sodfather), the former groundskeeper at Arrowhead Stadium and the guy the NFL has used for every Super Bowl (he's 94 now) said once that to properly care for an artificial surface was just as much work as natural grass.  But then again, he was so meticulous that when they brought him in before Super Bowl XVI in Detroit, he had a crew on their hands and knees for a week taking out clumps of fibers that welded together from the friction. 

I'm not exactly sure why people would get their shorts in a bunch over the concept that the competition Young, or anybody else for that matter, will see every week in the NFL is better than they saw in their college careers.  That same sentiment has been said before by NFL players, coaches, and scouts.

The SEC may have some teams that are full of future NFL players, but that is limited to maybe two or three teams. 

Don't lose sight of the fact that the NFL is the best of the best.......unless maybe The Process assembled the roster.  When you parse that outlier away, the opponents are in uniform because they are the fastest, most savvy (football intelligence), hardest hitting, and have the best technique. 

That's one reason why QBs usually are hit and miss, especially right out of the chute.  The ones that seem to start the fastest are guys like Purdy, who had little film on them and very little scouting information for opponents to prepare for.  But that changes soon enough, too.

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's the heart of the question.

If the Panthers are as equally "convicted" on Stroud as they are on Young (and yes that's genuinely possible; multiple reports confirmed that they had at least two guys in mind when they traded up) then a trade down scenario  truly makes a lot of sense.

If not, then no reason to move.

My ultimate answer to the whole thing is I don't care who they take or where they take them as long as it turns out to be the right choice.

Nothing else matters.

This discussion is really all theoretical, as they all are.

We have no idea how many of the potential choices they are fine with.  We have no idea who ranks where on their list.  We have no idea how strongly they want their #1 vs. their #2 or even their #3. 

We get reports from people with inside sources, but it is unlikely those sources are named Fitterer, Reich, Tepper, or anybody else at that level.  Their inside sources may not have any real idea or have their own biases.

4 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

No worries mate, no need to be sorry. My reading comprehension could use some work. I hear you on the meetings

Getting back on topic, you read/heard we were high on AR? 

The AR rumor has been circulating for a while.  I doubt we are higher on him than we are Young or Stroud, but who knows?  The latest is he may be our #2 (behind Young), so then you get into how far behind #1 is he and all that speculation. 

Richardson has perhaps the highest ceiling of all the QBs in the draft, but the chances of him being ready to start week 1 or in September or even October are not all that great, IMO.  I think we are looking for a more immediate impact.  There is also a chance he is a complete whiff.  But that's just my view of the world.

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

There are reportedly teams who have Hooker rated above both Levis and Richardson.

I'm not surprised by that.  Before we traded up, I had him on my Radar.  Not at 9, but somewhere that may have involved trading to later in the first and scooping up other picks.

Just now, therealmjl said:

Just no

Personally, that is my position, too.  It doesn't hurt to churn the waters to see if somebody puts something on the table that is really absurd, but the odds of that happening are pretty slim.

3 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

That's it! Make Indy give up a poo ton, pick Will Anderson Jr., and roll with Corral and Dalton. #Fitmagic! #sarcasm

If they pull the trigger on something like this, and I highly doubt they will, it would be for Richardson. 

Just now, The Lobo said:

Sorry who is “they” panthers or another team? 

Panthers. 

Sorry about the vagueness, I am in a Zoom meeting that I don't care about, but I have to listen enough to make sure nobody says anything incredibly stupid.  Merely stupid is normal, but incredibly stupid I have to speak up on.

Just now, PantherOnTheProwl1523 said:

That would take CJ Stroud and Bryce Young out of reach and no possible franchise QB for us if that had taken place.

If the rumors that they love Richardson are true, the status of Young and Stroud makes no difference.

Don't get me wrong, I think Richardson is a huge gamble with a potential huge payoff and he is not my choice.  I sure the hell would not draft him at #1, though, so if they are thinking that way........

56 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I think you throw the point chart out the window when you are talking QBs. If we were to do it (which I doubt) pick 33 and 2 would be the lowest and I’m not sure that gets it done. Next years first or pick 12 would make more sense but Houston isn’t doing that.

There could be other "influences" that pump the price of #1 up....like Houston thinking Indy is going to make us an offer we can't refuse and take the guy they want.

The trade value chart is like any other set of numbers:  it is a pretty accurate guide over the long haul, but the caveat "all other things being equal" needs to be added to the end.  For the #1 pick or even a top 3-5, all other things are rarely equal.

8 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

I usually read threads....not this one.

 

Either way, I prefer Stroud, but if Frank and Co. like Young, so be it.  I trust them a lot more than my eyes.

That's where I am.  There are concerns about both of them, even though the people hard-over on either one of them want to deny their preference has any concerns, and anybody who says otherwise is a neanderthal. 

I hate checking in on this forum right now because it seems like most of the threads are the same dung just repackaged.

If The Process and company were still here making this pick, I would have a lot less faith (like zero) in who we were going to settle on.  Luckily, those days are over and there is cause for optimism, either way.  Not only in who they pick but how they use them.

11 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I love demotivation posters

Sadly, they are almost always true!

3 hours ago, MHS831 said:

This thread has nearly reached 18 pages.

 

All to say that Nike has finally managed to be able to produce blue jerseys in the right shade and there may be blue pants coming.

This is about like talking to my wife, who works in PR.  I can ask her a simple yes or no question, and I'm sure she could go on for 18 pages without using the words "yes," "no," or the phrase "I don't know," or any synonyms for those words, or words in another language that translate to any of those words or synonyms of those words. 

And she wonders why my response is usually "that's great, now could you please answer the question, Senator?"

13 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Ivory was banned a few days ago. Today was the misspelled Bryce Young account.

May have been others in the last few days but I don't know who (the mods would know, of course).

Oh no, I am devastated.  It will take me seconds to get over losing them.......or not.

In honor of them both, I offer the following: