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2 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

Is it just me or is Brooks kinda small for a supposed 3 down back?

 

Honestly he looks the same as CMC coming out of college to me. Can probably add 5 pounds of good weight and keep all his speed which CMC did after year 1 

Can you imagine him in Boston? Thank God we got him lol 

16 minutes ago, TD alt said:

It's true, but don't forget those metrics and how Bryce statistically was near the bottom of nearly every one of them. He should markedly improve (I mean, how can he not), but how much so is anyone's guess at the moment. Is he too short, noodle-armed and inaccurate to be a professional QB? That's still the question. Has he been "Kerred?" I hope not, but he wasn't particularly accurate from pressured pockets or clean pockets as the author said. We can only wait and hope that the new coaches can help Bryce by putting him in a better situation. 

Yep, I think we know by Thanksgiving. We spent 100M on guards and high draft picks and trades on weapons, no excuses. 

Thanks for sharing. awesome watch and reinforces most of what anyone with a brain has said the past season. there was good and there was bad and hyperboles either way aren't that accurate. 

1 minute ago, SOJA said:

I noticed this as well. Nico Collins is a legit weapon. Tank Dell is great too 

Both those guys are third round picks too. Insane how terrible we have been in the draft since shitterer was here. Fingers crossed we got it right this year 

31 minutes ago, frankw said:

Has the definition of the term "big time throw" changed somewhat recently or?

Based on some of what I'm reading here one could pull up some of Teddy Bridgewater's Panthers highlights and spot plenty of those big time throws.

Found this bit from 2018 https://www.pff.com/news/pro-pff-qb-grading-most-effective-tool-there-is

5 minutes ago, strato said:

Did you watch it? I saw stuff that was behind guys and stuff like that I thought it looked pretty average for NFL QBs but I am no PFF metric dog.

Yes

1 minute ago, Jackie Lee said:

His success will for sure come down to his footwork, and that's a tough thing to correct/bad habit to break. You can work on it all you want in practice but once the live bullets start flying most guys just go back to their old tendencies. 

Yeah you gotta hope between less inside pressure this year and having a real coaching staff they get that cleaned up. That video was nice but obviously was a positive reel. There was a lot of bad that was due to happy feet. Hopefully we didn’t David Carr him already 

9 hours ago, strato said:

I finally watched that. Most of it. People are gonna hate me but they probably do already so F it.

Only the Bryce, I’m not looking at Stroud. 

Some of those throws are very good, there are some you might call big time but there is a generous helping of things maybe not that big time.

First impression: I think they had to include some pretty average stuff to have enough to make a clip. 

I thought “big time throw” was a quantifiable PFF metric? I could be wrong but I don’t think they’re just throwing average stuff in there to make the clip longer 

Man there are some throws in there that really remind you why he was consensus number 1 QB last year. I also will never understand the lazy he doesn’t have an NFL arm argument. I saw sideline to sideline throws with zip, deep downfield throws off the back foot… if anything it’s the opposite, he relies too much on just his arm and gets lazy af with footwork and putting his body into it 

We were a “top 10” OL going into last season by these geniuses so forgive me for throwing that opinion in the trash at this time 

19 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I might target former 2017 first rounder Adoree' Jackson (We like CBs named Jackson) who is 28.  He had a down year in 2023, but before that, he has been solid most of the time--

Steven Nelson (31) Houston had 4 picks last year and has been pretty solid. 

I am not sure I would target one CB and wait for an answer--we need them in here for OTAs. 

(Some of these veterans, like Favre at the end of his career, will hold out or not sign until after camp--that is good for the veteran player, but for team chemistry and mentoring, it is not ideal.)

 

I was thinking Adoree too. I don't want to fixate on one specific guy, just go get the best cost option for this year and roll with it

42 minutes ago, Captain Morgan said:

 

yes.  Brooks was the consensus #1 RB

I did indeed, not miss that

2 hours ago, Basbear said:

If you only count this past year and take age out of grade, its possible XL is among the top 3. But come on, this is silly......next thing you'll here is brooks was #1 RB on some ramdo ex-scout ranking....

Am I missing something here? 

On 4/28/2024 at 9:42 PM, MHS831 said:

Since I live on the edge, I will make some bold predictions.  You may know me as the guy who got the player and the team correct during my first round mock draft 8 times.  That is a 25% of perfection, baby.

Without further ado do:

Undrafted signees that will make the 53-man roster:

Willie Drew CB Virginia State.  6 foot CB who ran a 4.46 at the combine and had six picks last season.  With Horn and Jackson at starting positions and Hill and Smith Wade at Nickel, Drew and Bootle will be the reserve CBs.

Jalen Coker, WR Holy Cross.  6' 1" and 210lb WR who can play any WR position.  He had a 42.5" vertical and a 1.52 Ten yard split.  Broad jump as nearly 10' 8".  Great hands, excellent route runner (entire tree), and successful with an inferior QB.  1950 yards last 2 seasons and over 100 receptions when everyone knew he was getting the ball.  I personally think they would have drafted him but they calculated that he would become an undrafted free agent and they already had a deal on the table for him.  (my theory).  He has to beat out TMJ, Smith-Marsette, or Mingo to get the job.  I see the WR Corps:  Johnson, Legette, Thielen, Mingo, Coker, and the sixth guy (Smith-Marsette or TMJ.

Undrafted signees that could make the Practice Squad:

Andrew Raym, C Oklahoma.  Centers on the PS are two dimensional, and the Panthers need one since their current centers are talking online classes in "NFL Hiking".  Raym would be the third C in the depth at the position, and a third center allows you to run offensive reps faster at practice with three groups (assuming we get a third QB).   NFL Combine reports call him a "tough guy" with size who needs to work on some issues.  Sounds like a dawg.

Christian Duffie, OT/OG, Kansas State:  The scheme fit that best fits Duffy's strengths is a zone scheme with quick passes in an RPO/Possession, or heavy run Offense.  That sounds about right for the Canales system.   He should be a good project for the practice squad, but he is 24 years old.

Sam Pinckney, TE Coastal Carolina.  Can't beat the press man coverage, runs poor routes, slower than CBs.  However, he catches contested balls and is 6' 4", 220.  If the Panthers can add 20 pounds, he might get a look at TE by 2025.  However, he is 25 years old, so his window is going to close by next year. 

Popo Aumavae  NT,  Oregon.   At 6'3" 315, he plays with good arm extension, strong hands, and balance.  He hustles to sideline (like Brown).  He had 3 sacks his SR year--his 7th season (He will be 26 in January 2025).  I would keep Popo on the practice squad for a season or two to give depth.

 

Now look at the draft from the perspective that we added a CB and WR--two areas of need--with the undrafted free agents.  We added a second rounder for 2025.  We got a first round WR, the best RB in the draft, the second-best pass catching TE in the draft, a dawg LB, a versatile CB, a defensive lineman, and a LB.  Pretty solid draft that followed a pretty solid free agency period.

 

Why was Coker not a 3rd/4th round guy? Besides small school, he must have a glaring weakness. That size, vertical and production is very very good and I’ve heard he’s elite route runner. Slow? Drops? 

3 hours ago, TD alt said:

Much smaller? What 10-15 pounds and two to three inches shorter? He'd be a heavyweight in boxing, just like D.K. He's maybe much shorter, and some might consider that a stretch. 

His speed alone may make him much more dangerous than Deebo. It appears to me that Legette is very much a threat to take it to the house if you hit him in stride, especially on those slants.

DK combine shows 6’3 228. XL 6’1 221. Doesn’t seem MUCH smaller especially when they have the same vertical 

I would kill for this with the Rams where we picked up next year 2nd. I bet that was INTENSE 

6 hours ago, Newtcase said:

This was a complete poo show, which is just my opinion of course.  However, this opinion will become fact in a few months and the kool aid drinkers will act like blind squirrels find acorns.  We did nothing to help ourselves in the draft.

A first round WR with FOUR dud years in college.  Yeah he’ll be a difference maker against pros with BY at QB.  Dude has heavy feet out the gate which isn’t what we need.

An injured RB that will take three years to hold Chubba’s jock.

Sanders might be the best pick of our draft.  But only because we’re awful at the position and BY should be a TE friendly QB.  Too bad he can’t catch and block because we need both.

Anything good after that would be a happy accident.  The Panthers drafted with the same mentality they’ve had for years.  Buy cheap and hope for value.  It stinks of someone who treats a football team like the stock market, trying to outsmart the next guy and make an easy profit.

The only real fix here is coaching up players with extraordinary physical attributes, that’s the NFL.  Instead we try to draft “impact” players with marginal and even questionable physical attributes in the name of value.  My only real hope this season is that we could find a rudder on the coaching side and establish some consistency somewhere in the org.  This reeks of a David Tepper influenced draft though.

Take a receipt, I’ll be here to happily take my medicine should our merry band of clowns accidentally got something right.

I stopped reading when you said Sanders can’t catch 

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

if we are relying on a guy who has never played center coming off a season ending injury to be the center then we are not even giving bryce a chance........oh wait we are and its his back up as well

Yeah not my first choice either. Just seems weird this thing has played out and maybe the coaching staff sees something in BC

I don’t know I’m starting to get a suspicion Corbett was never the true plan and it was always BC. If true, we already have 2 centers on the roster and we know BC is an average to above average guard based on his rookie year. Gotta imagine he is better in year 3 even coming off injury and can hope he’s able to make the switch 

I get you have to do them, but man are draft grades stupid before any of these guys step on an NFL field. 

2 hours ago, TD alt said:

Yeah, they'll probably take 40 percent of that bonus, maybe even off the top, but that 25K will be taxes like everyone else (maybe around 20 percent.

22%

I think Gilmore is back this time next week 

2 minutes ago, SOJA said:

that's fair and that's my point, this is actually pretty hard to do in real time! It's easy for people to be negative of the GMs in hindsight but when you actually go through the process yourself it gets much harder 

yeah honestly I may have taken Franklin at 72 anyway so just flip flop him with Sanders