Proudiddy

Smh. Man, we drafted the biggest bust ever.

Give me Evero as HC now. Again, the only way we're gonna a get out of this hell Tepper has created is by accident or happenstance... and us just happening to already have our future HC on the staff after the hire of Reich in the first place is just the kind of luck we need right now.

Considering how bereft of talent we are even with starters, there isn't exactly a huge drop-off to their backups, honestly... and even if there was, having a guy in there who holds his own and won't singlehandedly extend a drive leading to points they otherwise wouldn't have had with a dumbass penalty is a better option.

Quote from Kevin Burkhardt during our game, just now. We have now extended three different drives in the first half with dumbass personal foul penalties on failed 3rd down and insanely long attempts, with the last one now resulting in a TD to end the half. How can Reich possibly survive after this game?

Yeah Reich is gone

P. U.

Only the Panthers would get a facemask/horse collar combo on a 3rd and 19 about 10 yards short of the marker.

I mean they are getting instant pressure, but everyone knows how I feel about Bryce - pressure or not, he is going to fug up... I'm just trying to be fair. But again, the thing is, if he was a player actually worthy of a number one pick, those guys make everyone around them better and always seem to make a play when there seemingly isnt one and make the right decision, but Bryce is the complete antithesis of all of that.

This poo is soul sucking.

Like a true #1 overall pick, amirite?

I think Bryce is gonna fug up pressure or not, but I have to say, he has had ZERO time on dropbacks today. Whole OL is getting their ass whooped.

Damn we suck. And Reich is fired Monday.

And I'm sorry, but Hekker has been ass this year. What happened to the guy that could pinpoint drop punts inside the 10 and bomb deep punts when needed to flip field position? I can't count the number of 30-40 yard punts he barely gets inside the 20 on short fields now. Then he just punts one straight into the endzone from deep.

Yeah, it's pretty clear he was largely a product of being the conductor of a blue chip factory who just happened to have far better and superior talent than 99.9% of their opponents. Aside from protection adjustments, we have seen him make mistakes that guys advertised for being such cerebral savants would just not make, rookie or not. There are other rookie QBs who are playing and/or have played that have not made some of the boneheaded decisions he has made, and likely 9 times out of 10 wouldn't. He is very average in every facet of playing QB, if not below average.

Dk if someone has already replied to this, Scot. Haven't read through he thread, but remember the preseason hype job from our PR dept where Bozeman said Bryce was given full autonomy to conduct meetings with the OL educating them on his vast knowledge of OL protections? I'm pretty sure he was tasked with it, but I'm also pretty sure he isn't doing it anymore.

Tepper don't give a poo about "basement dwellers" as he mentioned before. That asshole couldn't give a fug less about what fans think or feel because he thinks he's the smartest guy to ever walk the Earth. We're stuck with this bullshit as long as he's owner. Period.

All due respect, with the amount of money and pride at stake, I don't think anyone checks out at this level, especially nor a coach when you don't have a guarantee to ever have one of those 32 positions again if you fail, and Frank is on his second chance now... so I don't think Frank checked out. I honestly think there are too many cooks in the kitchen. Yes, in my lrwvious post ITT, I said Frank was 100% responsible for the mismanagement in situational football, but this poo just doesn't add up from the outside. Either he's overseeing poo as a HC that he shouldn't be and it takes away from his ability to manage the games, or someone else on the staff is overseeing poo that is usually the HC's duties and that is running interference with what he's used to and causes problems and miscommunication. Regardless, I'm sure he's not trying to lose his job in purpose... but I do think he wanted Stroud and Tepper forced Bryce on them and now they're trying to run an offense that he thought a archetypal QB with good size, quick release, and big arm would've been running with someone who is pretty much the antithesis of that.

For a guy that was successful as a player and had to maximize his talent and ability as a leader when he played, those guys tend to do well as coaches, but Frank just seems to have zero awareness. Why would you burn that timeout on 3rd down? Also, I would have to see it again to be sure, but it looked like TMJ came wide open over the top on 3rd down, but Bryce of course didn't look for it and checked it down, then you elect to kick a FG that wasn't even close from 59 yards. You have to know what your kicker is comfortable making and from where. And even with the miss, if you have 3 timeouts, it allows you to play differently if you have to go back on defense. Just none of that poo made any sense at all... the situational awareness is just not there at all, and that's all on Frank. Now, aside from that, it's clear Bryce is fuging horrible. The next gen stats even laid out how bad he is even without pressure. The Strachan throw was the best in-air throw he has thrown all-season, and it took 10 weeks to get it. He almost threw 2 more picks tonight due to inaccuracy. He can't see poo and his default is to checkdown, and that is obvious even in the offensive scheme - Ryan Fitzpatrick just said it was so frustrating to watch bc almost all of our throws are to receivers facing the QB, which means no chance for YAC. This poo is a trainwreck. The #1 pick we traded a franchise receiver and multiple 1sts for just got outplayed for a win by a UDFA QB from a DII school. The end.

Damn, sure seems like instability is a constant since Tepper came on... even with the beat writers.

Problem is, we won't get embarrassed on Thursday night. They'll miraculously click on all cylinders and play amazing and win - buying all these people more employment they don't deserve and extending our misery as fans. It's the Panthers way.

Which is the crux of the whole issue with Young. What you just described is the same argument I've presented repeatedly as to why he never should have been the #1 pick. A franchise QB elevates the play of others around them, versus a guy like Young who is wholly and solely dependent on his entire supporting cast being all-world just so he can look average. He is a game manager at-best, but we traded up to make him a #1 overall pick bc our franchise is run by idiots.

I have no idea why he wanted to come out of retirement to join this trainwreck...

Most of the meltdowns were Bryce's. Fumbles and picks in ATL, NO, and today. That's 3 wins alone. If Dalton wins the Texans game too, we're sitting at what? 4-4?

I think Gilmore and Laviska were both incredible trades of value for us. But then he let Gilmore walk in favor of Donte (lol) and then we have barely utilized Laviska at all when he's likely the most explosive offensive weapon we have on the roster. Everything else he's done has been absolute poo.

Oh no! We might let him go and another team finds a way to develop a system around him that works perfectly for him while we draft another hall of famer in his place! If that was actually on the table, no one here would give a poo about his struggles. People are up in arms because we literally traded our car for gas money. Brees was not a first round pick. Brees was not a first overall pick. Also don't recall Brees single-handedly losing games by repeated turnovers that should've never happened at any point in his career. San Diego also gave up on him in part because he shredded his shoulder and they weren't sure he'd even be able to play anymore. Bryce has one OK game through 8 games played. I don't remember ever watching Brees in San Diego and thinking, "Damn, this guy sucks. Hes blowing the game for them." He looked average to good. It just so happens pairing with Payton brought out the absolute best in him snd took him from where he was to all-time great. But the difference there was that the baseline was already good. The traits were already there. The decision making was already there. Most games with Bryce, I don't see any similarities to SD Brees. Brees looked like an NFL starter. Bryce looks like he might barely be backup material most games. There is a huge chasm between guys that win games and guys that lose them, and the delineation between the two is usually pretty obvious very early on... Bryce has lost multiple games on his own this season, and (arguably) won one. I didn't think he was a first-round pick in my estimation. I thought his value at best was a mid-rounder. Not only has he proven to not even be that level of player, but he has even looked worse than I ever would've anticipated because I figured at least his anticipation, accuracy, and mental abilities would make him solid, and those things haven't translated. I appreciate the optimism, but this ship has sailed bro. Bad is objectively bad. For all the picks Peyton threw as a rookie, let me know if he threw two pick sixes in one game to one player because he couldn't see where he was throwing or because he lacked the requisite arm strength to get a throw out to the sideline in time and away from a defender. It didn't happen.