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For a guy that was successful as a player and had to maximize his talent and ability as a leader when he played, those guys tend to do well as coaches, but Frank just seems to have zero awareness. Why would you burn that timeout on 3rd down? Also, I would have to see it again to be sure, but it looked like TMJ came wide open over the top on 3rd down, but Bryce of course didn't look for it and checked it down, then you elect to kick a FG that wasn't even close from 59 yards. You have to know what your kicker is comfortable making and from where. And even with the miss, if you have 3 timeouts, it allows you to play differently if you have to go back on defense. Just none of that poo made any sense at all... the situational awareness is just not there at all, and that's all on Frank. Now, aside from that, it's clear Bryce is fuging horrible. The next gen stats even laid out how bad he is even without pressure. The Strachan throw was the best in-air throw he has thrown all-season, and it took 10 weeks to get it. He almost threw 2 more picks tonight due to inaccuracy. He can't see poo and his default is to checkdown, and that is obvious even in the offensive scheme - Ryan Fitzpatrick just said it was so frustrating to watch bc almost all of our throws are to receivers facing the QB, which means no chance for YAC. This poo is a trainwreck. The #1 pick we traded a franchise receiver and multiple 1sts for just got outplayed for a win by a UDFA QB from a DII school. The end.

Damn, sure seems like instability is a constant since Tepper came on... even with the beat writers.

Problem is, we won't get embarrassed on Thursday night. They'll miraculously click on all cylinders and play amazing and win - buying all these people more employment they don't deserve and extending our misery as fans. It's the Panthers way.

Which is the crux of the whole issue with Young. What you just described is the same argument I've presented repeatedly as to why he never should have been the #1 pick. A franchise QB elevates the play of others around them, versus a guy like Young who is wholly and solely dependent on his entire supporting cast being all-world just so he can look average. He is a game manager at-best, but we traded up to make him a #1 overall pick bc our franchise is run by idiots.

I have no idea why he wanted to come out of retirement to join this trainwreck...

Most of the meltdowns were Bryce's. Fumbles and picks in ATL, NO, and today. That's 3 wins alone. If Dalton wins the Texans game too, we're sitting at what? 4-4?

I think Gilmore and Laviska were both incredible trades of value for us. But then he let Gilmore walk in favor of Donte (lol) and then we have barely utilized Laviska at all when he's likely the most explosive offensive weapon we have on the roster. Everything else he's done has been absolute poo.

Oh no! We might let him go and another team finds a way to develop a system around him that works perfectly for him while we draft another hall of famer in his place! If that was actually on the table, no one here would give a poo about his struggles. People are up in arms because we literally traded our car for gas money. Brees was not a first round pick. Brees was not a first overall pick. Also don't recall Brees single-handedly losing games by repeated turnovers that should've never happened at any point in his career. San Diego also gave up on him in part because he shredded his shoulder and they weren't sure he'd even be able to play anymore. Bryce has one OK game through 8 games played. I don't remember ever watching Brees in San Diego and thinking, "Damn, this guy sucks. Hes blowing the game for them." He looked average to good. It just so happens pairing with Payton brought out the absolute best in him snd took him from where he was to all-time great. But the difference there was that the baseline was already good. The traits were already there. The decision making was already there. Most games with Bryce, I don't see any similarities to SD Brees. Brees looked like an NFL starter. Bryce looks like he might barely be backup material most games. There is a huge chasm between guys that win games and guys that lose them, and the delineation between the two is usually pretty obvious very early on... Bryce has lost multiple games on his own this season, and (arguably) won one. I didn't think he was a first-round pick in my estimation. I thought his value at best was a mid-rounder. Not only has he proven to not even be that level of player, but he has even looked worse than I ever would've anticipated because I figured at least his anticipation, accuracy, and mental abilities would make him solid, and those things haven't translated. I appreciate the optimism, but this ship has sailed bro. Bad is objectively bad. For all the picks Peyton threw as a rookie, let me know if he threw two pick sixes in one game to one player because he couldn't see where he was throwing or because he lacked the requisite arm strength to get a throw out to the sideline in time and away from a defender. It didn't happen.

"Young up and comer fugs entire football team while cuck coach and owner watches." Oh, wrong site.

I know the issue has been discussed ad nauseum, but I figure this was thread worthy because up until this season, I was an adamant supporter of Fitt. I believed in him. He came from a front office and organizational culture that drafted, signed, and built a winner. He seemed to have and flexed a wide net of connections across the league that greatly helped us facilitate trades that at times had tremendous value, or at least the potential of tremendous value - and that no doubt is a huge asset. I also like that he seemed to target size/athleticism combos on all draft picks, because it seemed to follow the Seattle model. But, it's time. Not sure who has been responsible for what picks and signings at this point, because as has been discussed - we have no idea who was making the decisions since Tepper has been here. With any personnel decision we've made under this ownership, we have to ask, was it Tepper's decision? Rhule's? Fitt's? Who knows. But someone has to answer for it. The damage and casualties of the recklessness displayed by this front office is of a level I don't think the league has ever seen before, and I'm not exaggerating. Between giving CMC away to one of the best teams in the league who you knew would utilize him to maximize his potential and not even being able to net a future first is absolutely fuging insane... and to boot, he goes there and does exactly what we expected and is playing himself into being the MVP frontrunner. Then we have 4 potential franchise QB considerations in the first round of the draft. Only one of them refused to workout at the combine and also just happens to be built like a middle schooler. Not only did we not stand pat and see what we would get at 9. Not only did we not trade up into the top 5 to take one of them that fell to us. We traded crazy assets to move up, just to take the worst candidate out of all of them (and that's even considering AR suffering a season-ending injury). And in the process, on top of the cost of draft picks to do this, we trade a Top 5 WR talent in DJ to do so. And in the ultimate insult to injury, because the guy we sold out to draft at #1 is ass and as a result we are unintentionally tanking, the number one pick we traded to get him will now put the Bears in position to potentially have the first overall pick from us and possibly another top 3 pick because they suck. Don't think that has ever happened before either - a team trading a first to move up to first for a franchise changing player and then that same team becomes the worst team in the NFL after making that pick. It is the absolute opposite effect you want from a #1 pick. Then we have Burns. Instead of just giving him a reasonable contract extension over the offseason, which was reportedly significantly lower than what the number would now be projected at, we decided to stupidly play hardball with him. Instead of being decisive about his significance and role with the team, we pussyfooted around and neither extended him nor traded him for value... passing up on draft capital that would've at least somewhat mitigated the hit we took in trading up for Bryce. Now, Burns is understandably playing more cautiously to get through the season, got injured today in a game that Bryce, the guy they sold the farm for, single-handedly lost. And again, things would feel different if this same FO that is so reckless with draft assets was actually good at identifying, acquiring and developing gems from later rounds in the draft or free agency, but nope. The cupboard is pretty bare in terms of depth. As I said, the mounting damage and casualties have reached an insurmountable level. It can't be ignored. It can't be swept under the rug and revisited later. I'm sure Tepper had a hand in all of these moves, but if you don't have the balls to take a stand on something one way or another as the guy making the personnel decisions, then you gotta answer for them. Never in the history of this franchise has it ever felt so desolate and hopeless before; Not just because of the decisions that have already been made (and horribly), but because of what those decisions cost us in the future and how long it will take us to get out of the hole that has been dug. This poo could not have been imagined a bigger nightmare if Stephen King took up writing about NFL personnel departments. And sadly, even if Fitt is fired, I don't see things getting any better unless Tepper stops meddling, and I don't see that happening either. We are just in a very hopeless state right now...

They won't be missing anything unless we start Andy.

It'd what my issue has been with his fanbous from the beginning - a #1 pick, ESPECIALLY QB, is supposed to be a player that elevates everyone around him and you trust will make the plays to single-handedly win games for you when the opportunities present themselves. They drafted a guy that needs others to make the plays for him, and when presented those opportunities to win games, he actually loses them. That is the complete antithesis of what a #1 pick should be... and like you said, we fuging traded up for this poo when most knew that he was a game manager. Tepper is a fuging plague.

Or we could've just drafted a QB that makes everyone around him better and not one that needed all the players around him to make him good at all.

3rd and 10, throws 3 yard drag immediately. Well, I guess that's better than a pick 6. The #1 overall pick ladies and gentlemen.

He almost threw a 3rd pick 6

Hey guys, maybe we can run four guys on 5 yard hook routes all the way down the field?

I've said it from the jump, the issue is we already knew his limitations, but the bigger problem is that his perceived strengths were also huge weaknesses. The fuging Bears backup doesn't even make these mistakes. At this point, you could literally find and play any 6th or 7th round rookie QB and they wouldn't do the poo Bryce is doing. It's fuging horrible.

Waiting on a third pick 6.

Yeah, but this team is pushing the top of the division if Bryce hadn't singlehandedly lost multiple games now. He's making everyone look bad, honestly. Hard to overcome the mistakes he's making. And it's such a Panthers milestone to give up two pick 6s to one player in one game. Unbelievable.

Has a #1 picked QB ever been benched for the rest of a season after being handed the starting job? If not, Bryce needs to be the first. We would probably have at least 3 wins minimum already had he not single-handedly blew multiple games. He is BAD. PERIOD.

Annnnnnnnd, he turned right around and threw another pick 6. This dude sucks ass.

Now credit where credit is due - THAT was the throw I been waiting on all season. Good throw.

But the Texans aren't a talent juggernaut either, bro. Thielen may have a lost a half a step, but he used to run a 4.3. Chark runs a 4.3. Mingo was what, a 4.4 or 4.5? Chubba was a track guy. We have speed. Again, I'm convinced that the guys can't get open bc the whole offense is limited bc the field is so compressed to cater to the the throws that Bryce is comfortable throwing. Hard to showcase speed when he can't complete passes over the top. Everybody was gassing up his average performance last week, and yet still, not one "over-the-top" throw was attempted. His deepest throws this season have all been on deep crosses over the middle. Those are the only deep throws he's comfortable throwing and is accurate with, and defense know it, so they jump everything short and keep everything in front of them comfortably bc they're not scared of him even attempting to beat them over the top.

I'm not saying there aren't other issues, but you yourself just said he's an "undersized" rookie QB. He's not gonna grow, man. A huge part of the issue and why it is snowballing into the whole offense - blocking, rushing, route running - looking like poo, is because defenses are able to play the whole field 20 yards and under towards the LOS. They compress their field, so they're able to be uber-aggressive against the run, pass rush with reckless abandonment, and play underneath every fuging route we run bc there is almost absolute zero threat for Bryce to beat them downfield. We saw the same poo with Cam post-shoulder injury. But difference is, this is who Bryce is and came into the league as. He can't see and he can't throw deep because of the size you mentioned, and that isn't changing. I think he's average in the best case scenario long-term. We blew the #1 pick. That's my take.

But that's the thing. Chark isn't a bum. Thielen is currently the best slot receiver in the NFL. Drafted Mingo in the 2nd for him. Hurst, Tremble, Sullivan... Chubba had one of the best YPC averages in the NFL coming into this season. They assembled this staff and this supporting cast specifically to help fasttrack his development, and instead, Bryce has hindered everyone else's development and production with his limitations.