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First time in my entire life I've seen an offensive player called for offsides. this team is fuging horrible.

Thought I read last week or the week before that Evero was never offered the job.

Except when he's your interim HC because you already fired the sitting HC 10 games into the season.

Wow. I'm sure it's happened before in his career, but I don't recall Hekker ever getting blocked before... and that block wasnt on him buy the protection, but still just a sign of where we are... and he has been ass this year. Might be time. Also, we're what, 4 mins from halftime? Bryce has 1 completion on 8 attempts. It's a long, long way up fellas.

I agree. It's a pipedream, but maybe the O'Brien/Bryce connection would entice them enough? But otherwise, any GM with a brain isn't giving up more than a 4th rounder at best for Bryce.

Man, I am so glad I decided to go run errands while my personal life is falling apart today instead of watching this monstrosity in its entirety. I see nothing really changed.

Honestly, Greg is a guy I trust, period. I get it about experience, but if he doesn't know how to do something or hasn't done it, I know he will consult people and surround himself with people who do. He'll figure it out. Also, isnt he a coach's son? Might just be in his blood. It definitely wouldn't be one of Tepper's worst decisions... and he has plenty of them to choose from.

I might give them the offensive line, and Dell is a hell of a receiver, but he was unproven coming into this year too. We have Sanders, Thielen, Hurst, Chark - all known commodities and solid to great players who have proven their worth in the league. They didn't just all turn to poo in one offseason... and I'm not saying it's all on Bryce, but between coaches struggling to make things happen offensively and the guys I just named suddenly becoming incapable of playing football, there is one common denominator that links them both, and his first name starts with a B and his last name starts with a Y. Just saying...

I know the dysfunction is evident across the board, and Bryce is not responsible for that, nor is he responsible for the position he has been put in. But it just hit me - when is the last time a rookie starting QB got his first year HC fired in year one? I don't recall any if it's happened. And that led me to think further... I mentioned in another thread, despite having a shitty QB hand dealt to him in Indy, starting with Luck retiring, Reich showed well for himself overall there. I said at worst, he is likely an average HC, so what happened here is a clear sign of how dysfunctional out organization currently is - and yes, it all falls on Tepper - but, I was thinking, if Reich and McCown couldn't figure out how to utilize Bryce with their vast experience as pro QBs, then we must prepare ourselves for the possibility that maybe he isn't salvageable. And also, his chances of success just practically were chopped in half 11 games into his career, because it is proven that new staffs/FOs typically don't give much runway to QBs (and players in general) they inherit. They aren't beholden to them, so if they're clearly not part of the solution, they are quick to be put on the chopping block. Furthermore, as many, including myself, have been saying, we are now The New Old Browns... look back at their QB carousel over the years and look at how much turnover there was between QBs and HCs. It's not coincidental... their ownership wanted to win and win now, so they went through top pick after top pick after stop gap after stop gap after HC after HC. The synergy is there - if I'm a new HC and I didn't draft this guy, hr is on a short leash, and if he doesn't perform, my chance to really put my stamp on things is by bringing in my own guy. If he fails, I'm fired and then he'll be traded or released in a year or so too. We saw it time and again... that's where we are now. And so, that being said, I really got to thinking why was it so difficult, if Bryce was touted for having these otherworldly traits, to get the offense looking even just functional? And I thought back to guys like Canty, Olsen, etc., who have brought up how the offense is really hindered by our inability to get under center at all. So, what if Bryce just really can't do it? That would explain why Reich didn't want him, but tried to make the best of it. It would explain why the offense, no matter what adjustments they tried to make, just couldn't find its footing. It's why the offense didn't look much different between Reich's and Brown's versions. Perhaps that's why they even had Dalton sub in earlier in the year for the sneak because it was whispered at the time that Bryce couldn't even take the snaps under center to do that. And if that is the case, man oh man, this is really just the beginning... I said earlier in the year, we were likely at the very bottom of a very deep hole and it was going to take a long time to dig out of it as a result of the capital traded and the amount of flubs we made with personnel, but boy, it just keeps getting deeper.

And no disrespect to Tabor, but why tf him as interim? Why not Evero?

Harbaugh would fuging whoop Tepper's ass an hour into meeting him. No way Tepper would hire him. Not enough yes man.

I honestly think Frank had enough of the shitshow and I'm guessing the weekly owner meeting wasn't exactly discussing the weather. I don't blame him. fug Tepper.

It has all the ear markings of owner meddling. I agree, I don't think Reich is a great coach, but I think he's at worst an average one... this is all from an owner forcing his say into football matters and now the staff and FO are stuck sith his dumbass decisions. All the guys that have ever played for Reich in Indy raved about him and loved him, and despite a horrible hand of luck with QBs there, he made chicken salad out of chicken poo repeatedly and when he had a QB that fit his system, he had some really great years. So the fact his offense looks so dysfunctional rn tells me this was not a QB that fit what he is trying to do. And all of this again brings me to the conclusion that we're stuck with this poo, Reich or no Reich. The coach doesn't matter, the GM doesn't matter, none of that poo matters because Tepper is sticking his nose in places where it doesn't belong and then like a true billionaire, places his employees on the chopping block for his own dumbass mistakes. I fuging hate him.

Al makes some great points, EXCEPT the skill part. I think the technique is horrible - but it's clear he is physically talented which is where skill comes from. Skill is just your natural talent being put to use at a specific action repeatedly to where you develop it into technique. The issue is, no way Ickey should be THIS bad in pass pro, because he clearly has the ability and skill to be great... it's clear he just doesn't execute or practice it enough to refine it into technique. It's honestly just looks lazy and like a guy who believes "I'm good at what I'm good at, and if we're not doing that, it's your fault, not mine."

I've seen it floating around on IG the last few days and I kind of just shrugged it off like, "well, that's where we are." But it didn't really hit me until just now that, "DAMN. This is where we are." Like we all know and talk about how horrible we've been since Tepper took over, but seeing we are literally at the fuging bottom of all 4 professional leagues? I feel like we compartmentalize how bad we are at times to cope as fans, but it really illuminates - Tepper isn't just inept and going through new owner growing pains - he is the fuging worst. Abysmal. Historically horrible. Atrocious. This isn't some abberration - Tepper might be the worst owner EVER, and we're just getting started.

Imma need the sauce my guy, or this baby is getting locked... or not even THE source, but confirm that you know from a source.

Can they fire the Teppers and Bryce?

And there was no doubt Russell was talented. He did what he did without even studying fuging film or knowing gameplans lol. He just didn't give a poo and had zero motivation to be great. He also, accoridng to him, had forces within the building in Oakland that were actively sabotaging him and working against him. That isnt the case with Bryce. And despite what we know and saw from Russell, because of his physical ability, everyone will always wonder "what if?" because of his potential. Bryce studies film, knows the gameplans, but just fuging sucks and doesn't have the physical ability to execute winning professional football plays consistently. There is no what if, because he's trying his best with limited ability. So, in my book, factoring that in as well as the cost to move up to take him, Bryce is by far the bigger bust.

My only hope at this point, as I've said elsewhere, is that the only way to break out of this hell is for us to back into fortune by accident or happenstance - I think hiring Evero as DC may have been that incidental fortune, especially if he comes out of this shitstorm as our new HC. Now, I still have tons of concerns about the FO and especially if Tepper is the one making those decisions, but at least we'll know HC won't be a concern and Evero will get the most out of a roster.

Respect. I was referring more to guys capable of producing... like Sanders, Hubbard, Hurst, Chark, Viska, ISM, etc. The OL has been pure poo this year and shouldn't get much say in the matter other than mentioning that they're being forced to play in a style they're not comfortable with. I was thinking more like the OL has a chance every snap to do their job and make a difference, but when you are a playmaker that relies on the QB to get you the ball and you're essentially just running around out there taking a beating and not even being given a real chance to do anything and the game gets thrown away without you even being invovled - that has to be an empty ass feeling. And people can say what they want, but unless injuries really just made Chark ass in one offseason, there is no excuse for him to be this invisible. And Hurst isn't an all-pro, but he's a solid TE, and he also may as well not even be on the roster. And as has been discussed here ad nauseum, Laviska is probably the best bang-for-your buck playmaker on the roster who is a danger to break off a TD on any given touch and we can only manufacture 1 touch for him all game? So you have guys that have proven themselves capable just out there, not involved, when they were sold a bill of goods that they were essentially the revamped playmaker group that was going to help our #1 pick hit the ground running and win rookie of the year. We'll, they're not getting touches and the #1 pick is losing games with his decisions. It's just deflating.

It was a hell of a play, but it's also not possible if that throw has any level of zip on it. Can't jump it if it doesn't float to the outside or is placed to the outside shoulder and up. It just died. His arm is weak.

And as a guy who had always been critical of Jameis as a pro, he also countered that with plenty of TDs to his own receivers. I think the running joke that season was from Arians about you never know if it's gonna be a TD to one team or the other on any given Jameis throw... but Jameis could and has still won games with his arm - which you expect from a franchise QB. Bryce is not capable of countering his mistakes bc he needs his supporting cast to make the plays for him bc he can't make them himself. Tired of this poo.

That pick six pretty much seals it. That makes at least 4 games this season that Bryce has singlehandedly lost off of pivotal turnovers. He forced a weak ass throw to a drag route to Mingo that was well covered and never even looked at a wide open Tremble over the the middle. These are the kind of plays that you expect a mid to late round rookie with any type of awareness to recognize and execute, let alone someone touted as a super processor worthy of the #1 pick. He then follows that play up with a fumble on a fake pitch where he just dropped the ball, which I have never seen from a grown man in my life. He is bad. And this isn't a personal attack on him - I actually am starting to feel bad for him because it's embarrassing. Is the coaching a problem? Sure. Is the scheme not great? Sure. But, sometimes, all of the other facets look worse and suffer when you're trying to protect and mask just how bad the guy pulling the trigger actually is. So many of our problems in scheme are related to the offense trying to tailor to the throws Bryce is comfortable making and avoid attempting the ones he isn't. At this point, it's beating a dead horse, but regardless of who is responsible, the only way forward is to acknowledge we selected the biggest bust in draft history and we need to rectify it. I've just seen enough now at this point to know that yes, there are a lot of problems, but the majority of those problems hinge on Bryce. And when a guy is special, you see plays that would flash and translate regardless of scheme or coaching, and sadly, the majority of Bryce's flash plays are bad ones that cost us the game... that typically is indicative of a player just not being good. After seeing today, despite the penalties, I honestly want to see what the team looks like for a few weeks with Dalton at the helm. If the offense looks just as bad, then can Reich. And to be clear, I was ready to fire Reich weeks ago... but I'm convinced much of the issue now is Bryce and the staff trying to accommodate him. Give Dalton a few games and if we still look like poo, promote Evero and clean house. But at this point, I just don't know how you can keep trotting your vets out there and feel they can give 100% when they know this kid you sold the farm for is throwing games away because he just isn't very good at all and is committing mistakes that no QB should be making... It's so discouraging.

Yup. And floated that pass on top of his super processor malfunctioning and him not seeing Tremble was wide open.