Proudiddy

Yes. atp, we need a vet who can bridge anyway. We’re taking Sellers or another QB this draft, so we need a guy who can hold it down until that QB is ready and mentor them throughout.

If he does all of that and still starts Bryce, none of these moves matter.

CSW might be the best pick of the group, and I see his ceiling as solid. I’d say Munnerlyn is a good comp, but Munnerlyn actually was very good in his role. The more I see of Sanders, the more he feels like the new Ian Thomas. But can’t make a definitive assessment on that until he plays with a good QB.

God, Tepper is so fuging stupid. just thinking back to that time… how simple it could’ve been. We found a formula that worked - and now, Wilks is where? Foreman is where? Imagine taking that foundation and building off that with guys like Lewis and Hunt, Tet, etc. what a monumental fug up.

Reading a lot of this brought me back to memories of a guy I loved watching as a kid when he came back and dominated, almost in a “Linsanity” type of way, but for football obviously - Doug Flutie. I’ve always loved an underdog. I’m a sucker for those stories and characters. And the league essentially forced Flutie out the first time around, from memory, mostly because his coaches felt he didn’t fit the proper QB archetype. Not big enough, not impressive enough, etc., so he went to the CFL and dominated for years. Came back and signed with Buffalo to give it another go in the NFL and became a pro bowl QB. His teams were competitive and fun to watch. And statistically, I guess unofficially, he was the same size as Bryce, but you couldn’t tell… Flutie could sling it, and when he ran, he ran with conviction. But my point in bringing it up, as also evidenced by a guy like Russ in his prime, and although supposedly slightly taller, also Brees, and to a lesser extent Kyler Murray… small QBs can be successful. I specifically bring up Flutie though bc he wasn’t viewed as prototypical and he improvised a lot, which was supposed to be one of Bryce’s strengths. Flutie scrambled around a ton and extended plays to get throws off, and although not crazy accurate over his career, again, he played with purpose, and when he did throw it looked NATURAL. My issue with Bryce is, it doesn’t. Dan is harping on about his timing and footwork, and finding that rhythm, but at some point, you would think your natural ability to anticipate and throw would override all that other poo. Again, it sounds crazy, but if you took any semi-athlete or former athlete off this board, and had them throw with a receiver for endless hours over a few months and say, “this is a 5 yard hitch route.” As Dan showed, an imbecile sees the corner is backed up off Tet. We know the route. We’ve thrown it a million times. So when he takes his last step into the upward part of the route, we should be throwing it to that spot before he even turns around. But nope, we’re sitting here hyperfocusing on some bullshit footwork trying to find reasons why he can’t do the simplest fuging poo a QB is tasked with. At some point, it’s over analyzing. Either he can or can’t, and he’s shown he can’t. Everything else these analysts are doing is searching for excuses for him. Any QB worth a poo could turn their whole lower body into a pretzel running the opposite way of the play, but when they recognize the read available to them and the throw they need to make, they square their poo up or at least maneuver themselves in a position to allow their upper body to do what is required to make the throw. Bryce has not, can not, and will not.

I firmly believe that ship is sailed. When he came out for his presser, I literally just watched it thinking how the guys in that locker room feel listening to this same poo every week. Sure, there are other shitty players on this roster, and definitely some coaches, but when the one guy on the field whose play can make or break your day is consistently atrocious, where they’re doing poo like Dan shows in this breakdown…. Bro, we’re in year 3 and you don’t recognize they’re in zone and a defender is waiting to break on the pass you just stared down for 2 seconds? And okay, that happens to every QB from time to time, but again, we’re in year 3, and you did it not once, but multiple times in one game. Somebody else shared in a thread yesterday, I think it was, that the Jags didn’t even run anything exotic. They didn’t blitz. They didn’t try to confuse him. They literally ran zone the majority of the game and rushed 4. And the poo he did in this breakdown, especially that throw to Renfrow, looked, from memory, exactly like the picks he threw to Jessie Bates repeatedly. So imagine that guy coming in the locker room and trying to say anything to you. Even if it’s an apology. I don’t want to hear it. You are costing us a chance to win, and if you know you’re not capable of doing better, fall on your sword and take your ass to the bench. That’s what a good teammate would do. A shitty one keeps going out there selfishly doing the same dumb poo he’s been doing. And Dan didn’t even show the scramble to stumble to fumble, which also seems like Bryce has done more times than I’ve ever seen one player do in my life already. It’s just comedic at this point that anyone is still pretending he is anything but what he’s shown to be. I really just wish he would bow out and give the players who are actually doing their job a fuging chance.

I haven’t paid attention to ESPN for years now, so I didn’t know Dan was a fan. But, considering how he ended that video, I was a little perturbed with his optimistic ending because you literally just showed him throw to get the receiver smoked multiple times, being completely unaware of the defender lurking - both in the pick and the last throw to Renfrow. How many times does a guy have to do that for it to not be considered “not characteristic” anymore? Bc Bryce has been doing it for 3 years now.

Can you imagine coming back from severe UC, not sure if you’d ever play again, missed a full season, have a triumphant comeback story in the making, and then week 1 every significant catch attempt you had, the QB tried to send your ass to the upper room? So tired of that poo.

This poo is hilarious. If we apply those “hidden yardage” standards to guys like Mahomes, Allen, Daniels, Jackson, or Herbert, these MFs would have 1,080 yards and 5 TDs a game. Since when did almost count? I ain’t never seen such coddling, pampering bullshit excuse making in my life. How hard is it to just admit a player is just plain ASS?

Same thing I was thinking as I was reading it. It’s a completely one-sided argument, and is in actuality, full of emotion - and that emotion is, “Bryce is good. I promise.” Blaming Hunter for not coming down with those two horribly placed throws is downright insulting. He had to make a superhuman effort to even get his hands on them because they were so poorly placed… and this PFF coverage completely disregards objectivity for subjectivity in his favor, because on the opposite end of this spectrum, it should be acknowledged that had those balls been better placed, Renfrow has 2 easy TDs. Instead, this is framed like it’s Renfrow’s poor play is the result he dropped a couple of highly contested, damn near uncatchable thrown balls (even if he was wide open) for lesser yardage than what they would have been if they were thrown better. This reeks of bias. I am convinced Tepper or someone in Bryce’s camp is paying for this biased, pro-Bryce campaign from PFF. PFF were the ones pushing how glorious that end of season run was and inventing statistical categories that Bryce dominated in upon his return.

Ngl, Smitty’s about face was surprising. I always suspected there was no way he wasn’t hitting jump offs all them years of being a NFL star, but then there were those moments - like where he almost fought Michael Irvin on-air for insulting the suit that his wife picked out for him… so I was like, idk, maybe there is a line he doesn’t play about. Then the stuff came out about the Ravens band lady, and it’s wild… ever since that stuff came out, his posts and whole attitude are completely different. It’s like he is relieved and free.

He also threw Renfrow out of another easy TD late in the game. Renfrow should’ve had two easy TDs Sunday, and what a hell of an opening comeback game that would’ve been. The second one almost got HR injured because Bryce threw it over his head and carried him out of bounds where he landed awkwardly. Had he led him upfield, it was a TD. But alas, we have an impostor playing QB.

A deep dive into some advanced analytics to demonstrate just how truly horrible Bryce Young actually is. Really brings into question what kind of organization would keep trying to push this guy as an NFL player, let alone a franchise QB/starter. This find is courtesy of @frankw , who shared it in the MMF thread last night. And boy, is it damning. https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/nfl-week-1-recap-bryce-young-panthers/ Bryce Young completed only 51% of his passes for 4.4 YPA in Week 1. The only QBs who were worse were a rookie starting vs one of the best defenses in the NFL (Cam Ward) and Russell Wilson behind one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL. Even if you remove the interceptions, Young ranked #28 in success (32%) and #25 in EPA per attempt (-0.24). If we just want to look at the simplest of passes, those thrown five air yards or less, Young completed just 56% of attempts (#29) with a 13% success rate (#29), -0.54 EPA per attempt, and a mere 2.8 yards per attempt (#27). This was despite playing most of the game in garbage time on account of his terrible early game performance putting his team in a 20-3 deficit at halftime. The Jaguars defense kept things very vanilla for Young. They didn’t blitz on nearly 80% of dropbacks and played no blitz zone on 72%, the #4 highest rate any quarterback faced. Young wasn’t even pressured often, taking pressure on just 28% of dropbacks thanks to how soft the Jaguars played him. Keep in mind, this Jaguars pass defense ranked #29 in the NFL last year. If we try to throw out garbage time entirely, I looked at QB performance in the first half when not pressured. Out of 30 qualifying QBs in Week 1, Young ranked: Dead last in EPA (-0.60) Dead last in success rate (20%) Dead last in Y/A at 3.6 Dead last in passer rating at 27.5 How are you averaging just 3.6 Y/A on unpressured dropbacks in the first half of a game? Thinking back to that halftime deficit, I’m reminded of this stat: The Panthers led at halftime in three of Young’s 12 starts last year. They are now 0 for 1 this year. In his 29 career starts, the Panthers have led at halftime in 5 of 29 (17%). Since 2000, there have been 37 QBs to start at least 25 games in their first two years in the NFL. Young is the ONLY QB to lead at halftime in fewer than six of his starts. Young is the ONLY QB to lead at halftime in fewer than 20% of his starts. So many people were backing Young based on the super small sample at the end of the year when they thought he played better, and he did play moderately better. But even in those games, he delivered average stats against the NFL’s easiest schedule of pass defenses to close the year, with every opponent ranking 20th or worse. There’s never been a QB who rebounded from performance like Young delivered in his first couple of years to go on to become a franchise quarterback. Some stay around as a journeyman, but they don’t lead teams. The Panthers put all their eggs in the Young basket this offseason. The Panthers were the darlings to win the NFC South by many. Yes, it’s only one game, and there certainly are opportunities to improve. But Dave Canales has now had two full offseasons to work with Young. He should know Young’s strengths and weaknesses and figure out how to optimize Young’s performance. What pivot do we have after that Week 1 performance? Surely Canales tried to use his best stuff in Week 1, and it failed miserably. The schedule is soft, but the clock is ticking, on both Young and this coaching staff if they don’t figure out a solution quickly. This experiment should’ve ended after his rookie year, no matter the investment. But really, the pick should’ve never been made, as myself and many others here have lamented even before the pick was made, but there’s nothing we can do about that now. It’s more insulting with every week they continue to trot him out there to not only start, but to play at all on an NFL field.

We’d get better ultilization out of one of them than him. Bryce will be out of the league within the next two years.

The rest of the team knows Bryce isn’t “our” franchise QB. They’re just going through the motions.

This Sunday is the last hurrah. Trade him for Anthony Richardson or Shadeur, straight up.

Yeah, I said in that PFF thread, it must’ve been the same (paid off) guy that said Bryce led the league in all those arbitrarily subjective “big-time throws” on his post-benching redemption tour.

Damn, life comes at you fast. I didn’t know they divorced. And I thought she was heavily involved in a lot of his community initiatives.

Probably since DJ Moore.

Also, keep in mind, these stats earned a 71 grade from PFF. I don’t want to see another PFF post ever again.

Ngl, I didn’t watch a ton of him his last year at Michigan. I saw a lot of him the year before when they got their ass blown off in the Natty, and then when I saw the that he was projected as a highly sought after first rounder, I was completely blown away. Because unless something changed in that last year, I viewed McCarthy as a less-physical Taysom Hill. And I actually think Taysom is a better natural passer. Every time they brought him in, I wasn’t worried about him passing, AT ALL. So purely a gadget guy…. It looks like it tonight.

I think if I had a choice, I would choose to play with a jar of peanut butter at QB over Bryce.

Ngl, McCarthy is ass. They let Darnold go for this?

The meat and potatoes: Out of 30 qualifying QBs in Week 1, Young ranked: Dead last in EPA (-0.60) Dead last in success rate (20%) Dead last in Y/A at 3.6 Dead last in passer rating at 27.5 How are you averaging just 3.6 Y/A on unpressured dropbacks in the first half of a game? Thinking back to that halftime deficit, I’m reminded of this stat: The Panthers led at halftime in three of Young’s 12 starts last year. They are now 0 for 1 this year. In his 29 career starts, the Panthers have led at halftime in 5 of 29 (17%). Since 2000, there have been 37 QBs to start at least 25 games in their first two years in the NFL. Young is the ONLY QB to lead at halftime in fewer than six of his starts. Young is the ONLY QB to lead at halftime in fewer than 20% of his starts. So many people were backing Young based on the super small sample at the end of the year when they thought he played better, and he did play moderately better. But even in those games, he delivered average stats against the NFL’s easiest schedule of pass defenses to close the year, with every opponent ranking 20th or worse. There’s never been a QB who rebounded from performance like Young delivered in his first couple of years to go on to become a franchise quarterback. Some stay around as a journeyman, but they don’t lead teams. The Panthers put all their eggs in the Young basket this offseason. The Panthers were the darlings to win the NFC South by many. Yes, it’s only one game, and there certainly are opportunities to improve. The opportunity is to start someone else at QB. I don’t want to see anymore debate in whether Bryce is the worst QB ever. Especially not the worst #1 overall pick ever. What a fuging bust.

God damn.