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Also, please feel free to chime in if you prefer this off-shoot thread as a standalone or included/merged with MHS' statistical analysis thread. Having not seen this news previously, I figured it was best ro highlight it as its own thread.

I haven't read it or seen it anywhere else across the numerous threads, but was listening to ESPN radio while taking the kids to school, and they shared that Peter King said the Ravens are very likely to use the non-exclusive franchise tag on Lamar, meaning it would only require the contract plus 2 first-round picks. That's also very different than the "windfall of picks" stuff we heard about previously. It seems a more realistic possibility than the "windfall" talk. Still, giving up the picks plus the mega contract is scary for a team trying to build out its roster, but does that change how you feel about the possibility of Jackson?

Good find. And fug a Pro Bowl, Jaycee should've been a damn All-Pro. That's the real snub.

Damn. Not a fan of trading up to 1 because of the perceived cost, but if that's all it takes, then why not?

The more i watched him, the smaller he looked and played. I never really was interested, even when the hype train was full force 2 years ago, and I was completely uninterested the more I watched last season. I really hope our staff feel similarly because I just don't have a good feeling about how his game translates to the pros, and its not just his height.

No doubt, and appreciate you sharing. Also, did not intend to come off as attacking or hostile in anyway. That was not my intent at all... just wanted to clarify bc I know it's hard to interpret intentions or tone through text. Also, I meant to say "understating" not "understanding" his leadership in the original post. Damn autocorrect.

I'd also like to add, I completely agree with what we know of Lamar as a leader and his character. 100% awesome dude. But I think, despite your insider sources, that you are understanding Carr's leadership and character. How he handled the Ruggs situation and all the other garbage that happened there in 2021 damn near brought a tear to my eye. It was admirable and I can't imagine someone handling that turbulent period any better. I already liked him, but it made me respect him that much more... but I also understand how being outspoken about your religion can sometimes rub people the wrong way in a locker room, and I suspect maybe that's where the insider source you have may have an issue?

I really, really like Lamar, but I'm not trading 3 1sts for any QB at this point. Watson looked about as sure of a get as there was and a hands-down, no debate franchise QB. Browns traded the farm for him, his team got them to guarantee his entire contract despite the fact that by the time he would be eligible to play he wouldve had sat out almost 2 full years and then by the time he hit the field he looked like absolute poo. And i wanted Watson (dependent on the cost to trade)... whew. It's my opinion now, when it comes to QBs, I'd much rather sign one and/or draft one than trade for one, especially a QB that is also wanting a new contract in addition to the cost of the trade. It's just too much to give up for Lamar in assets and money. I completely understand teams like the Rams last year or the Chiefs or Eagles this year, trading assets for positions to fit around a QB and team that's already in place... but when you invest that much solely in the position of QB, you often just aren't capable of plugging holes in other places for several years. I think Lamar is the better overall player and is more dynamic, but Carr is also a hell of a player and will come at a lot less of a price in regards to assets and money and allows us to continue to address other positions that need to be addressed (rookie QB, TE, WR, Edge).

Yeah, but I just don't know what all tou can take from last season for him... McDaniels is a poo coach, the organization is dysfunctional, and he has how many years of good tape before last season's debacle? I don't think a QB just falls off a cliff like that at 32 barring injury.

Yup, and iirc, off the top of my head, I think Smith was only the starter in KC for a year or two prior to them drafting Mahomes and then started Mahomes' rookie season and then was traded. And all due respect to Smith, but I think Carr is a much more complete QB and a lot more dynamic than Smith was. It would be the ideal scenario, imo.

Idk where he's projected, but I watched a piece from Smitty on Zay, and I'm all in on him. Dude sold me. He is going to be a serious problem in the league as he has so many translatable skills that just pop.

Again, look at the organization, bro. They hired Josh fuging McDaniels as their HC. Enough said.

I feel like a lot of people pooing on Carr haven't watched him play. I have since college and he is an elite QB. The Raiders are a trainwreck organization.

My thoughts as well. I really like AR's potential, so I'm leaning towards sitting st 9 and keeping our picks and supplementing the rest of the roster with them, but in Reich I trust.

Yeah... I was all in for Carr and then drafting Stroud/AR/Hooker, but the more stuff that has come out about what Carr is looking for money-wise, I think a guy like Brissett plus rookie is much more ideal for what we're trying to do

Yup. Our dominoes should start falling here pretty quickly, I'd imagine.

I mean it's cheaper than trading up, but I don't like it at all. It's one thing to sign a Carr and then draft a rookie, wherever that may be... It's another to trade that first pick you would draft a rookie with and trade for a still unproven third-year QB. I like what Fields showed last year, but we still don't know what he is, exactly. What I don't think he is right now, is worthy of the 9th overall pick. I'd rather sign a vet and draft a rookie.

I've brought it up before, but when Fitt was in Seattle, they had signed Matt Flynn to that big contract to come in and be the starter and ended up drafting and starting Russell Wilson. So, I think it's fine to do both, planning for the future but living in the present.

That poo still pisses me off to this day.

Yeah, but a foul is a lot more distinct than what is and isn't holding, illegal contact, a catch, etc. So much of the issue with officiating in the NFL is its so fuging subjective and it gives the refs way too much power. The only call I can think in basketball that is close to all of the iffy/subjective stuff used to control the game in the NFL would be a charge in basketball - it's very subjective and up for interpretation. But common fouls? Like what happened to LeBron at the end of their game against the Celtics a few nights ago? That's clear, by the letter of the law, a foul. The way the NFL officiates? One play its a penalty, the next it isn't. For one team it is, for the other it isn't. And again, I don't like Philly and I especially don't like their fans, so fug them, but the officiating is bullshit every year.

No, but you're right in that the issue is consistency. People are saying don't call it there because they didn't call it earlier. So why call it with the game on the line? The refs set the tone of physicality and how handsy guys can be from the outset of each game... if you allow a team to think that level of play is acceptable all game and then BAM! GOTCHA! Call it with the game on the line in the 4th quarter? That's wack. You either call it everytime or you don't. It's why our Super Bowl was such a sham because the refs dictated from the outset that the Broncos were allowed to play with a different set of rules than we were, and if we tried to use the same level of physicality they played with, it was a penalty. But they could yank a guys fuging head off, they could get 5 yard starts with their edge guys, and 5 yard jumps with their tackles while holding the whole fuging game. Point is, the refs have way too much fuging power and not a single iota of accountability.

And they don't give a single fug. Just counting their money.

I get it, bro, but man, that's a weak call to make there. They could call that on a lot of plays that don't decide a game, but they did there and effectively ended it.

Yeah, I think that's what's upsetting about it. As a fan, you would just like to see what the Chiefs do there without ref intervention sdn then see the Eagles get another possession and how they would answer.