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Good point about Fitt being in SEA when they traded for him... forgot about that. And considering how that turned out, it may be why we haven't heard of any interest coming from our side towards him, considering he has just been sitting out there available all this time and last I checked, the Browns had offered to him already.

you could be right, but although we ran a zone scheme under Ron, we drafted him to lock up the bigger receivers in our division like Evans, Julio, and Michael Thomas, which is what he did really well when manned up on them. With the Giants, maybe his struggles in man may be due to him losing a step or maybe he was dealing with injuries?

Probably. Makes sense.

I thought he was always regarded more as and exceed in man coverage. He actually had a great year in 2020, but struggled last season. I never thought he was as good as he was regarded here. I think he's a good player who occasionally played great. I wouldn't mind him coming back, but I don't think there is any guarantee he would make the roster. It'll be interesting to watch because as ncfan pointed out above, Wilks was here with him his first few years in the league.

@The Huddler @SizzleBuzz@Daddy_Uncle What about the OP was poo worthy? Did you miss the parts where I said I was excited about the pick? Or the other posts where I said I loved the pick and thats coming in, he's the best rookie QB we have ever had outside of Cam? Or did you just read the parts about Howell and not the post in its entirety and then went all "herp derp UNC fans"?

I posted earlier in the offseason after we lost Reddick that he would be ideal. Good to hear he's interested, but I have a feeling we're not or there would have already been rumors of talks or interest on both sides prior to this. No he didn't become the next Peppers, but he's very good and as others have said, great against the run. It would be nice to finally have one side of the line stout against the run and hopefully Burns continues to develop in that aspect so we don't have to get cute and shift personnel on any given down. I hope the interest is mutual and we get him.

It wouldn't surprise me if that's the outcome with Tannehill. Despite his improvement as a QB since he's been there from his Dolphins days, I've gotten the feeling the last couple of years that their org and fanbase feel like he's the piece that's holding them back from hitting that next level. They are built to win everywhere else. So, they already seem to be growing impatient with him and then he says this after they just drafted a highly regarded guy at QB? Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if he isn't there to start the season.

Anytime an incumbent says that, I always think of how that ended up playing out for Favre.

This. It is likely he just isn't big on media and interviews. Like I've posted elsewhere, go look at his teammates in the games he played at Ole Miss, especially the bowl game when he got injured. He is animated and fiery when he is on the field, and his teammates are magnets to it. You can literally see it just watching the games.

Ladies and gentlemen, if Cam isn't interested, I present to you: RGIII https://awfulannouncing.com/espn/robert-griffin-iii-says-nfl-teams-reached-out-after-he-ran-a-4-48-during-rich-eisens-charity-event.html He says teams have already reached out to him after posting a 4.48 for Rich Eisen's charity 40 yard dash run. He's only 32, and frankly, I feel he has more wisdom, guidance, mentorship, and talent to offer than Mayfield, Jimmy G, or Foles. Plus, we know Rhule loves his Baylor guys. RGIII did a great job helping Lamar Jackson along his first few years, and still was competent when he had to play. He also acknowledged in this interview that he is fine coming in strictly as a mentor/vet backup to a young QB. I say this may be my favorite option if it's an indeed an option, again with the caveat that Cam doesn't want to come back, and we can go ahead and cut Sam and move forward with the future.

Not talking up Howell. Just pointing out what I've read. As I said, I was going to be excited with whoever we picked from the group that was left on Day 2, outside of maybe Ridder, who I liked in college but just feel he doesn't have an NFL arm. I really was warming up to Corral over the others in the last week or so before the draft. Smh... it has nothing to do with allegiance or alma mater (in my case) for me. I obviously pull for my guys, but once it's time to go pro, thats a whole new and different level... If they can be great pros, I want them on our team. And if they can't and a guy from State (Hello, Ickey!) or Duke can, then come on aboard! I was simply stating what I had read from various scouting reports and the deep ball was the biggest concern for me between the two. But, many have shared info in this thread that has greatly alleviated the latest concern, and thats why I posted it... for discussion. I don't claim Howell will be good or bad in the pros. I was more just surprised that he went from a possible first pick overall after 2020 to a 5th rounder after 2021. But again, don't get me wrong, even before this thread, I was and am excited for Corral. The stuff I've gleaned from what other have shared here with breakdowns and such has me less concerned and even more excited now. I love the pick, and really, I loved it when we made it because leading up to the home stretch before the draft the more I read up on and watched of Corral, I really started feeling like he may be the best of the group. I figured all the top 3 tackles would be gone off the board at 6 and we could trade back and pick him up in the late first or second. The fact we got Ickey at 6 and Corral in the 3rd is still unbelievable.

Agreed, but that's why I said Sam has to go regardless.

Foles is a good guy and I think would be a fantastic locker room presence. But would i want any part of him on the field? Playing? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Don't know if you got to see him much the last couple of years since the Superbowl win, but he has looked horrible. He is immobile, slow to average release, and he can't get out of harm's way even with adequate protection. Sam should be cut regardless. He will not ever be more than what he has shown he is. Period. But Foles is not the guy to come in and take his spot.

I think if the price is right, is is very likely, as I think one of those guys is Sam's replacement. I'm starting to wonder if Sam makes it to the final 53. If we need a vet to mentor/place hold until Corral is ready, I don't even trust Sam to do that. I think we're holding out, as I think the Browns are eventually going to have to release Mayfield outright.

I like NotSoAngryScout's take there. That's how I view it. As I have mentioned numerous times, even the pro evaluators have demonstrated they aren't great at hitting on QBs in the draft... last I checked, at least when it came to the first round, where obviously a lot more is at stake if you miss, they are at like a sub-50% hit rate. That is horrible considering the time and resources that go into the process that we don't have access to. So, I think it is entirely possible a confluence of factors colluded to cause these guys to "fall." But as he said, we'll see who is right. Also would like to point out, again, it wasn't just media that was hyping up Howell after 2020. They hype was legit, and some of that has to be attributed to the personnel guys openly praising prospects, be it to the media or within personnel circles. So again, for him to go from a possible #1 overall to a 5th round pick based off one season... I'm gonna cite that subpar hit rate I mentioned above again. It makes no sense that the guy is unanimously loved based off one season, and then is a borderline NFL talent the next that drops to the 5th round. Sounds like talent evaluators are just a fickle bunch who can also be easily influenced. That, and I also think we are seeing a shift in positional value where the impact prospects could make from other positions is viewed as more of a priority when you have so many QBs from this class that had question marks for one reason or another. These guys know in the past, plenty of guys got overdrafts because of the positional value of QBs, and if you miss on a first or second rounder that is billed as the future, you likely lose your job. Not as likely to lose it if a WR doesn't pan out but you snagged a quality starting QB in the 3rd, 4th, or 5th.

But I'm NGL, and again, as an alum, I have vested interest in the Heels' success, but I can see that... I dont think having a laid back attitude in interviews should have much, if any bearing on how I feel about a prospect, and likely has little to do with their on-field disposition... but, watching him in 2020, it wasn't evident because they were having success and didn't encounter much adversity. But, watching last season, I was bothered by his lack of fire at times. His leadership did not show up in games, IMO. He seemed very passive... now, there are guys that can win that way - leading with their play rather than their voice, but when you watch Corral, his leadership immediately jumps off the screen and he is fiery. It feels like guys would take a bullet for him, and he would do the same for them. It makes a difference, imo.

We've had this discussion about numerous players over the years, but same height and weight doesn't always translate when it comes to durability for various reasons... but Lamar's build looks a lot more durable than Corral's. They might weigh the same, but they wear it a lot differently... also, even though Corral is no doubt athletic, he isn't the slippery, jitterbug fast type of elusive that Lamar is that helps him avoid a lot of big hits. Corral's slighter frame is and was my biggest concern about him since I first watched him in college, the deep ball stuff is secondary. If his stature measurements weren't official, I wouldn't believe them.

I know. My point was the dink and dunk is meaningless if you have zero ability to throw an accurate deep ball and the defense knows this, which has been our problem for almost 5 years now. There's no point and baiting them down if you can't beat them over the top when the chance presents itself. Having the threat keeps defenses honest, and we haven't been able to do that.

I think it really came down to the size. Just my guess. It's still crazy because as I mentioned, going into last season he was projected as the top QB of the class and possibly a #1 overall pick... that's a huge fall based off one season. But, it'll be interesting to see how it all pans out because as the stats have beared out, even the professional talent evaluators aren't all that great at finding and hitting on QBs. Maybe all these 3rd round and lower drafted guys prove them all wrong this time around? At least that's what I'm hoping.

I don't mean to overstate my concerns, because I actually think they're coachable and even as-is, not horrible. All things considered, I without a doubt think coming in, he's the best rookie QB in our franchise history after Cam. Now there's a big gap between Cam and Corral, but Cam was a generational talent. There's a lot of Corral that reminds me of Jake, in a good way. There's a lot to be excited about.

Was excited because I know he has been a multi-time pro bowler and all-pro, but damn... I did not know he was 34 now. Wow! Still excited though, because even at 34, he will get us way more than The Human Fair Catch did all last season. Great pickup this late.

Agreed. And that is what is really carrying me through overwhelmingly excited about how everything played out with our draft. You can't beat drafting a guy in the 3rd that you potentially would've taken at 6 overall and had as the number one QB in the draft, at the most important position in football. Again, I am super excited about Corral, and as you said, trust McAdoo'a evaluations of QBs - he has a great track record when it comes to that. So I will trust it. Just voicing the thing that concerns me just from the eye test in watching both Corral and Howell. Not saying Matt can't or doesn't make the deep throws... it's can he do it consistently.

I like it judging off the ranking McAdoo had on previous QB classes and how they panned out accordingly. But, as I pointed out in my thread, I'm concerned, yet interested in seeing how they coach him up on the aspects of the deep passing game to complement all of the underneath stuff.

Same. And I dont know if I like it or not.

Eww @ 4. It worked for Favre, but anyone that wears it for us, I just think of John Kasay. I dont want my QB reminding me of John Kasay, with all due respect to John.