Proudiddy

On 9/8/2025 at 6:04 PM, Martin said:

DC has a chance to make a point. Bench XL and start someone else, start Ransom at S, Mays at C etc. That sends the string signal that last week was unacceptable. He won’t, but that is the right move.

If he does all of that and still starts Bryce, none of these moves matter.

17 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Those first three picks are looking ROUGH. Sanders and Smith-Wade have a chance to prove to be decent mid-rounders 

CSW might be the best pick of the group, and I see his ceiling as solid.  I’d say Munnerlyn is a good comp, but Munnerlyn actually was very good in his role.

The more I see of Sanders, the more he feels like the new Ian Thomas.  But can’t make a definitive assessment on that until he plays with a good QB.

7 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

Steve Wilkes would not be having that poo. Shoulda kept him at HC and gotten some really good young coordinators. 

God, Tepper is so fuging stupid.

just thinking back to that time…  how simple it could’ve been.  We found a formula that worked - and now, Wilks is where?  Foreman is where?  Imagine taking that foundation and building off that with guys like Lewis and Hunt, Tet, etc.  what a monumental fug up.

44 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It looked like the same old trashy footwork to me. Bryce has never had good fundamentals footwork. He's always shuffled around square to the LOS and then once he sees where he wants to go he has to try to flip his hips and get his feet under him to deliver the throw. This was one of the things I would point out leading up to the draft as something that wasn't going to translate to the NFL.

Reading a lot of this brought me back to memories of a guy I loved watching as a kid when he came back and dominated, almost in a “Linsanity” type of way, but for football obviously - Doug Flutie.  I’ve always loved an underdog.  I’m a sucker for those stories and characters.  And the league essentially forced Flutie out the first time around, from memory, mostly because his coaches felt he didn’t fit the proper QB archetype.  Not big enough, not impressive enough, etc., so he went to the CFL and dominated for years.  Came back and signed with Buffalo to give it another go in the NFL and became a pro bowl QB.  His teams were competitive and fun to watch.  And statistically, I guess unofficially, he was the same size as Bryce, but you couldn’t tell…  Flutie could sling it, and when he ran, he ran with conviction.   But my point in bringing it up, as also evidenced by a guy like Russ in his prime, and although supposedly slightly taller, also Brees, and to a lesser extent Kyler Murray…  small QBs can be successful.  I specifically bring up Flutie though bc he wasn’t viewed as prototypical and he improvised a lot, which was supposed to be one of Bryce’s strengths.  Flutie scrambled around a ton and extended plays to get throws off, and although not crazy accurate over his career, again, he played with purpose, and when he did throw it looked NATURAL.  My issue with Bryce is, it doesn’t.  Dan is harping on about his timing and footwork, and finding that rhythm, but at some point, you would think your natural ability to anticipate and throw would override all that other poo.  Again, it sounds crazy, but if you took any semi-athlete or former athlete off this board, and had them throw with a receiver for endless hours over a few months and say, “this is a 5 yard hitch route.”  As Dan showed, an imbecile sees the corner is backed up off Tet.  We know the route.  We’ve thrown it a million times.  So when he takes his last step into the upward part of the route, we should be throwing it to that spot before he even turns around.  But nope, we’re sitting here hyperfocusing on some bullshit footwork trying to find reasons why he can’t do the simplest fuging poo a QB is tasked with.  At some point, it’s over analyzing.  Either he can or can’t, and he’s shown he can’t.  Everything else these analysts are doing is searching for excuses for him.  Any QB worth a poo could turn their whole lower body into a pretzel running the opposite way of the play, but when they recognize the read available to them and the throw they need to make, they square their poo up or at least maneuver themselves in a position to allow their upper body to do what is required to make the throw.  Bryce has not, can not, and will not.

52 minutes ago, Coheed said:

Ironically enough what I think will ultimately do Bryce in/will be why he won’t make it in the league won’t be his size concerns, but his mental makeup.

 

He is a historical outlier in size and due to that has smaller and stricter windows, but he *has* shown he can play, but only when it doesn’t matter. The best football we’ve seen from Bryce was that preseason Buffalo drive and then down the stretch last year after we were already eliminated

 

Remember the look on JJs face last night after that TD pass to Jones towards the end of the game? Dude looked like a straight killer. That’s the face of a dude that’s locked the fug in, completely ignoring any and all noise. Reminded me of prime Cams infamous nod prior to orchestrating a game winning drive right after seeing the Saints take the lead.

 Probably hyperbolic but that shot convinced me JJ will be a dude for the Vikings. Yes they have a great staff but that kind of mentality isn’t something that’s taught. 
 

to succeed as a young QB in this league you need some level of that coldness/killer mentality in you to push through the adversity that will inevitably come when you have a bad game, throw a pick 6, or your line gets blown up. 

 

i don’t see any of that in Bryce. I want to be wrong, and hope someone can quote this post with a “wow that aged like milk!” someday, but I don’t think it’s happening.  
 

if Bryce had that mentality in him, I honestly think he could play and work through it, but I just don’t think he does 

I firmly believe that ship is sailed.  When he came out for his presser, I literally just watched it thinking how the guys in that locker room feel listening to this same poo every week.  Sure, there are other shitty players on this roster, and definitely some coaches, but when the one guy on the field whose play can make or break your day is consistently atrocious, where they’re doing poo like Dan shows in this breakdown…. Bro, we’re in year 3 and you don’t recognize they’re in zone and a defender is waiting to break on the pass you just stared down for 2 seconds?  And okay, that happens to every QB from time to time, but again, we’re in year 3, and you did it not once, but multiple times in one game.  Somebody else shared in a thread yesterday, I think it was, that the Jags didn’t even run anything exotic.  They didn’t blitz.  They didn’t try to confuse him.  They literally ran zone the majority of the game and rushed 4.  And the poo he did in this breakdown, especially that throw to Renfrow, looked, from memory, exactly like the picks he threw to Jessie Bates repeatedly.  So imagine that guy coming in the locker room and trying to say anything to you.  Even if it’s an apology.  I don’t want to hear it.  You are costing us a chance to win, and if you know you’re not capable of doing better, fall on your sword and take your ass to the bench.  That’s what a good teammate would do.  A shitty one keeps going out there selfishly doing the same dumb poo he’s been doing.  And Dan didn’t even show the scramble to stumble to fumble, which also seems like Bryce has done more times than I’ve ever seen one player do in my life already.  It’s just comedic at this point that anyone is still pretending he is anything but what he’s shown to be.  I really just wish he would bow out and give the players who are actually doing their job a fuging chance.

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He's getting close. He's acknowledging that Bryce's footwork is complete trash, that he's not seeing coverage, that lots of balls are coming out late and not on time, and that he's still throwing up hospital balls. But since he's an admitted fan and believer in Bryce it still can't be Bryce's fault yet. 

I haven’t paid attention to ESPN for years now, so I didn’t know Dan was a fan.  But, considering how he ended that video, I was a little perturbed with his optimistic ending because you literally just showed him throw to get the receiver smoked multiple times, being completely unaware of the defender lurking - both in the pick and the last throw to Renfrow.  How many times does a guy have to do that for it to not be considered “not characteristic” anymore?  Bc Bryce has been doing it for 3 years now.

53 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

This dork feels differently lol. 

 

This poo is hilarious.  If we apply those “hidden yardage” standards to guys like Mahomes, Allen, Daniels, Jackson, or Herbert, these MFs would have 1,080 yards and 5 TDs a game.  Since when did almost count?  I ain’t never seen such coddling, pampering bullshit excuse making in my life.  How hard is it to just admit a player is just plain ASS?

1 hour ago, jb2288 said:

The fallacy in this is you're comparing Bryce's "what ifs" against others "actuals". You would need to give every other QB all the same breaks. Herbert probably had 650 yards and 5 TDs by these metrics

Same thing I was thinking as I was reading it.  It’s a completely one-sided argument, and is in actuality, full of emotion - and that emotion is, “Bryce is good.  I promise.”  Blaming Hunter for not coming down with those two horribly placed throws is downright insulting.  He had to make a superhuman effort to even get his hands on them because they were so poorly placed…  and this PFF coverage completely disregards objectivity for subjectivity in his favor, because on the opposite end of this spectrum, it should be acknowledged that had those balls been better placed, Renfrow has 2 easy TDs.  Instead, this is framed like it’s Renfrow’s poor play is the result he dropped a couple of highly contested, damn near uncatchable thrown balls (even if he was wide open) for lesser yardage than what they would have been if they were thrown better.  This reeks of bias.  I am convinced Tepper or someone in Bryce’s camp is paying for this biased, pro-Bryce campaign from PFF.  PFF were the ones pushing how glorious that end of season run was and inventing statistical categories that Bryce dominated in upon his return.

14 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Smitty and davis stepping out. Whats new with these athletes? 

Ngl, Smitty’s about face was surprising.  I always suspected there was no way he wasn’t hitting jump offs all them years of being a NFL star, but then there were those moments - like where he almost fought Michael Irvin on-air for insulting the suit that his wife picked out for him…  so I was like, idk, maybe there is a line he doesn’t play about.  Then the stuff came out about the Ravens band lady, and it’s wild…  ever since that stuff came out, his posts and whole attitude are completely different.  It’s like he is relieved and free.

18 minutes ago, scratched said:

How about the underthrown ball to Renfrow that could have possibly been a score?  I'd have to go back and watch, which I will not do, but he had several bad throws. 

He also threw Renfrow out of another easy TD late in the game.  Renfrow should’ve had two easy TDs Sunday, and what a hell of an opening comeback game that would’ve been.  The second one almost got HR injured because Bryce threw it over his head and carried him out of bounds where he landed awkwardly.  Had he led him upfield, it was a TD.  But alas, we have an impostor playing QB.

Just now, ProcessBlue2 said:

 

y tho

We’d get better ultilization out of one of them than him.  Bryce will be out of the league within the next two years.

13 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Nothing like going into your Week 3 home opener by benching your supposed franchise QB and putting in your 40 year old backup QB the week of that game.

Zero chance Bryce isn't the starter in Week 3 unless he gets hurt next year

The rest of the team knows Bryce isn’t “our” franchise QB.  They’re just going through the motions.

This Sunday is the last hurrah.

Trade him for Anthony Richardson or Shadeur, straight up.

1 minute ago, frankw said:

Somebody did someone a personal favor with that grade. I have to wonder how much money Tepper has tied up in PFF since we are hiring their guys now.

Yeah, I said in that PFF thread, it must’ve been the same (paid off) guy that said Bryce led the league in all those arbitrarily subjective “big-time throws” on his post-benching redemption tour.

Damn, life comes at you fast.  I didn’t know they divorced.  And I thought she was heavily involved in a lot of his community initiatives.  

1 minute ago, Car123 said:

DJ Moore. When was the last time our WRs created separation like that?

Probably since DJ Moore.

11 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

The meat and potatoes:

Out of 30 qualifying QBs in Week 1, Young ranked:

Dead last in EPA (-0.60)

Dead last in success rate (20%)

Dead last in Y/A at 3.6

Dead last in passer rating at 27.5

How are you averaging just 3.6 Y/A on unpressured dropbacks in the first half of a game?

Thinking back to that halftime deficit, I’m reminded of this stat: The Panthers led at halftime in three of Young’s 12 starts last year.

They are now 0 for 1 this year.

In his 29 career starts, the Panthers have led at halftime in 5 of 29 (17%).

Since 2000, there have been 37 QBs to start at least 25 games in their first two years in the NFL.

Young is the ONLY QB to lead at halftime in fewer than six of his starts.

Young is the ONLY QB to lead at halftime in fewer than 20% of his starts.

So many people were backing Young based on the super small sample at the end of the year when they thought he played better, and he did play moderately better.

But even in those games, he delivered average stats against the NFL’s easiest schedule of pass defenses to close the year, with every opponent ranking 20th or worse.

There’s never been a QB who rebounded from performance like Young delivered in his first couple of years to go on to become a franchise quarterback.

Some stay around as a journeyman, but they don’t lead teams.

The Panthers put all their eggs in the Young basket this offseason.

The Panthers were the darlings to win the NFC South by many.

Yes, it’s only one game, and there certainly are opportunities to improve.
 

The opportunity is to start someone else at QB.   I don’t want to see anymore debate in whether Bryce is the worst QB ever.  Especially not the worst #1 overall pick ever.  What a fuging bust.

Also, keep in mind, these stats earned a 71 grade from PFF.  I don’t want to see another PFF post ever again.

Ngl, I didn’t watch a ton of him his last year at Michigan.  I saw a lot of him the year before when they got their ass blown off in the Natty, and then when I saw the that he was projected as a highly sought after first rounder, I was completely blown away.  Because unless something changed in that last year, I viewed McCarthy as a less-physical Taysom Hill.  And I actually think Taysom is a better natural passer.  Every time they brought him in, I wasn’t worried about him passing, AT ALL.  So purely a gadget guy…. It looks like it tonight.

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Let this sink in. This is the dude that theilen would rather play with than Bryce.   Oof

I think if I had a choice, I would choose to play with a jar of peanut butter at QB over Bryce.

2 minutes ago, frankw said:

I hope Adam Thielen is having a nice time tonight.

Ngl, McCarthy is ass.  They let Darnold go for this?

11 minutes ago, frankw said:

 

Interesting take with actual data from a neutral observer.

https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/nfl-week-1-recap-bryce-young-panthers/

The meat and potatoes:

Out of 30 qualifying QBs in Week 1, Young ranked:

Dead last in EPA (-0.60)

Dead last in success rate (20%)

Dead last in Y/A at 3.6

Dead last in passer rating at 27.5

How are you averaging just 3.6 Y/A on unpressured dropbacks in the first half of a game?

Thinking back to that halftime deficit, I’m reminded of this stat: The Panthers led at halftime in three of Young’s 12 starts last year.

They are now 0 for 1 this year.

In his 29 career starts, the Panthers have led at halftime in 5 of 29 (17%).

Since 2000, there have been 37 QBs to start at least 25 games in their first two years in the NFL.

Young is the ONLY QB to lead at halftime in fewer than six of his starts.

Young is the ONLY QB to lead at halftime in fewer than 20% of his starts.

So many people were backing Young based on the super small sample at the end of the year when they thought he played better, and he did play moderately better.

But even in those games, he delivered average stats against the NFL’s easiest schedule of pass defenses to close the year, with every opponent ranking 20th or worse.

There’s never been a QB who rebounded from performance like Young delivered in his first couple of years to go on to become a franchise quarterback.

Some stay around as a journeyman, but they don’t lead teams.

The Panthers put all their eggs in the Young basket this offseason.

The Panthers were the darlings to win the NFC South by many.

Yes, it’s only one game, and there certainly are opportunities to improve.
 

The opportunity is to start someone else at QB.   I don’t want to see anymore debate in whether Bryce is the worst QB ever.  Especially not the worst #1 overall pick ever.  What a fuging bust.

13 minutes ago, frankw said:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_adj_net_yds_per_att_career.htm

Our guy has played 31 games and isn't even listed.

God damn.

Bryce would’ve goofily tripped over his own feet right there and fumbled.