PNW_PantherMan

Grier probably shouldn't be on an NFL roster, but at least PJ Walker has a glimmer of potential.  We should probably get rid of Grier and go after someone with some experience.

I'm sure Mick is a good guy, but it's hard to believe he ever made it as a professional announcer.  He has absolutely zero aptitude for it.

5 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

I would consider this, how do you think Teddy would fair on the Jets with a swiss cheese oline, butter finger receivers, non-existent running game, and a offensive scheme that doesn't like check downs to running backs?

Pretty bad, probably.  But I don't think he makes as many air-mail type interceptions that Sam did in some of the worst games.

Personally, I like the move.  I'm a bit of a gamblin' man myself, so I like the boom/bust potential of swapping out Teddy for Sam.  I just don't think a lot of the more optimistic people see the potential downside here.  I think we could end up with a top 5 pick in next year's draft.  That could ultimately net us our real franchise QB, but that's just how I see it.

Here's something else to consider.

We replaced Teddy essentially because we were 0-8 in games where we had a chance to win it.  Teddy didn't do enough to win any of those games.  The assumption then, is we can bring in a better QB to make a few plays and win some of those games.  The other side of this coin, is that Teddy didn't do anything to really lose any of those games either.  Sam has committed some seriously ugly turnovers in a Jets uniform that I don't think Teddy even comes close to.  It's truly a boom or bust change at QB.  We could be picking higher than 8 next year as a result.

Just for the record, I honestly thought Teddy would do really well for us last year.  When I first heard about his contract, I felt like I got punched in the stomach.  But, I figured that Teddy would excel in the system and be better than he is.  Part of that was assuming that Joe Brady was some kind of miracle worker.

For me personally, that's a big reason why my expectations for Sam Darnold are pretty low.  I don't think we can say that Joe Brady is a bad OC, but he's certainly not the QB miracle worker he was made out to be.  I think Brady can grow into a good play caller, but he looked like a rookie OC last season.  3rd downs and red zone come to mind.  Not that Teddy's play helped the situation, but I was scratching my head at some of the situational calls like others here.

This is going to be all on Sam.  If he can thrive in this culture and turn his career around, that's great.  But after watching some of Sam's low-lights with the Jets, my expectations are tempered.

14 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The odds aren't impossible but they're definitely long. We're trying to get rich off a penny stock.

It's definitely long odds, but I don't agree with this comparison.  It implies that there is a safer, less risky option to success.  In the stock market, the safest way to win long term is to buy index funds.  There is no such thing in the NFL.  You can't buy shares of Tom Brady.  There's only 1 share of Tom Brady and he wears a Bucs uniform now.

That's kind of the point I'm getting at.  This is a long shot, but it's a long shot with calculated risk.  Championship teams are the exception.

It's definitely a long shot that Sam would turn his career around and become our franchise QB or an all-star.  But, the league's story is told through long shots, in my opinion.  Tom Brady being selected in the 6th round.  The Giants beating the undefeated patriots.  Pat Mahomes being completely exceptional and beyond what anyone thought he would be.  Every season the Super Bowl winner is the exception.

Honestly, I don't expect Darnold to be that great.  But this is the NFL.  Why do we need a case study to compare Sam Darnold to?  Every situation is unique.

1 hour ago, BigTeddyFan said:

They always say “Practice makes perfect.”

Get ready to see game winning drives and clutch performances from Teddy after a couple months of actually practicing those situations.

Good luck in Denver, Teddy.  No hard feelings.

If they thought Justin Fields was the next Pat Mahomes, they take him no question.  I have a hard time believing they'd be worried about looking stupid picking him in that case.  The most likely explanation is the simplest.  Fields or Jones were not viewed as significantly better than Darnold as young QB prospects to justify using the pick on them.

Darnold could be terrible and Fields could be in the HoF.  I'm just saying thats most likely what went down in the decision making process.

Since we're on the topic of Zach Wilson and how he'll turn out...  I thought I'd share this clip of Ryan Leaf's take from a few weeks ago.  He was filling in for Rich Eisen (who is a Jets fan if you don't know).  I really enjoyed listening to his perspective.

33 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't know that I would necessarily attribute it to his attitude. He was largely the same player as he was beforehand. I think they(and the bulk of the fans) just had unrealistic expectations for him. We wanted him to be something he is not.

That is my big fear for Sam Darnold. People are really setting their expectations very high for a player that has really shown almost no ability to be that. 

In a similar vein, I am not going to jump all over Darnold if he does just keep being the same player he was in NY. He didn't trade for him, he didn't draft him and I don't think he is mailing it in any less than Teddy was. Not every QB prospect is a franchise player.

Thats fair.  I definitely think that our staff thought they could elevate him to a pro bowl QB.  And they were clearly wrong about that.

I do think a large portion of the offseason outcome was attitude though.  Not that they wouldn't have traded for Darnold, but Teddy would likely be going into camp as our #1 QB if his mentality was different.

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Funny how those of us that warned people about him in the offseason have so much company on the anti-Teddy train now.

It just took a season of watching him mainly be the problem and then throwing people under the bus.

I was optimistic about Teddy, because I thought that he would excel in Brady's offense.  He also has plenty of reps as a starting QB in the league and brings experience.

The main problem is his attitude.  If he was a true professional and a real grinder, he'd still be on the team IMO.  The team decided to replace him ASAP not because he played poorly on the field.  (He did).  But because his mindset does not fit the culture that Rhule and company are installing.  As soon as he blamed Brady about the play call not coming down in time that one game, I knew it was over.  We'd eat whatever salary we would have to eat to get rid of him.  And well, here we are.

I'll admit I was wrong about Teddy, and our team made a huge mistake signing him last offseason.  Its just encouraging to me that they have the ability to move on from a bad decision that quickly.

9 minutes ago, CRA said:

I love me some Dan  Morgan.  Very underrated.

But Luke is on another level IMO. 

 

Im convinced that Dan was a hall of fame linebacker if he could stay on the field.  Conversely, his entire play style was having no regard for his own health.

Moton is on the right side because he is not a LT.  The Turner for Okung trade can be graded as either a win or a wash in my book.  Okung only played half the season because he can't stay on the field, but I think he was decent when healthy.  His contract was also an expiring one, while the Chargers straight up cut Trai Turner this offseason.  We got an overpaid player off the books essentially.

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

I got the 2015 > 2003 team. 

Vick was a different nightmare than Cam though.  Two totally different runners.  2003 John Fox would have had a pretty nasty front to rough Cam up with though.  They would have better odds of putting some pain on Cam. 

That's true, I just think historically we had a very difficult time stopping any kind of a running threat at QB.  I don't know if it was the scheme or the coaching or what, but we never seemed to be ready for that kind of thing.

Cam was/is more of a power runner, but he was still damn quick at his physical peak.  On 3rd and long, it felt like he could see an opening and shoot upfield for 10 yards in about a quarter of a second.

24 minutes ago, CRA said:

2003 would beat the 2015 (17-1) squad in a head to head like that too.   But the 2015 team had the higher ceiling. 

Maybe on paper, but Michael Vick completely destroyed John Fox's defenses.  We could never deal with mobile QBs.  I have a hard time believing he could have slowed Cam down at all.

2 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I appreciate the sharing of this.  I would say the 2021 WR class could be the best we have ever seen in Charlotte. The secret to that 03 team was indeed the front 7 on D.  Wow.  And the steroid cream for our OL. Underrated.

And even with all that it took like 7 or 8 Jake Delhomme last minute Disney movie drives to get us as far as we got.  I swear it felt like John Fox was trying to put us in that position every game...

I don't live in the area anymore, but it would be cool to see the Carolinas get a MLB team.  I'd probably adopt them.  The Mariners are impossible to love, given that I didn't grow up here.

Bill Parcells had certain guys he liked that he would bring to new gigs.  You just gotta hope for 2 things.  First, that your coach likes guys that aren't a negative to the team.  And second, knows when to get rid of them if they really stink.

If anything he's good for the league because people either love him or hate him.  People tune in for polarizing figures good or bad.

That said, I'd be surprised if he made the team.  You're really gonna use one of the 53 roster spots to have him as a TE?

I'd pass on this one.  Guy was released because he's not good enough to be a starting safety.  He's an average slot corner, which is not something we need at the moment.

We will have a top 5 defense.  If Burns stays healthy he will push for the lead league in sacks.

I like statistics and historical data as much as the next guy.  But, there's an important thing to remember.  Franchise QBs that win Super Bowls are the exception and incredibly rare.  This limits the usefulness of statistical analysis.

3 minutes ago, Dilla said:

Lmao Rivera just drafted a long snapper. Got to believe Fitterer fuged him over hahahaha

Thats what he gets for losing to us on purpose last year.