mrcompletely11

Just now, USC/panthers_11 said:

Excuse me - I had a brain fart. Darnold was picked #3 overall. I had Matthew Stafford on my mind who was picked at #1. I stand by point, however.  Darnold is much more talented than Bridgewater. I still am hoping to draft a QB either way, though. 

my 15 year old has a better arm than Teddy but that doesnt mean its enough of an upgrade to build a franchise around

2 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Who will fall? Mac Jones?

 

Its a real possibility that 4 QBs go before 8.

Most analysts are even saying this, many scouts are saying this.

 

This is a very hungry year for a QB.  Ian Rapaport or schefter just recently said he predicts 18 QB changes around the league this offseason.

This is why Stafford just went for 2 1sts AND Goff.

This is why its being leaked that Wentz is being traded for more than a 1st.

We're going to have to trade away something reguardless for a QB, whether it be move up from 8 in the draft OR trade for someone else.

If we are an analytics franchise then trust the numbers that a guy will be there at 8.  It would be a statistical abnormally if 4 went in 7 picks.  Even so, if it happened then the value of pick 8 would absolutely sky rocket as there would be the top prospect for just about every other position. 

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't think trading(hypothetically) the 8th pick was "giving it away." You were using the #8 pick to draft Matt Stafford. Technically, that is kind of crushing your pick. The mid-rounder would suck a little but we also have two extra compensatory picks we are supposed to get and this is a DEEP OL draft, especially inside. No reason we couldn't still take 3+ OL in the draft without #8 or one of our mid-rounders. 

The blocking issue was already a problem this past year but statistically we performed better in most blocking metrics due to the scheme. It's not ideal at all but we do have the ability to temporarily cover up some of those deficiencies with our offense. poo, Cam covered up a lot of those deficiencies for years. 

I don't think making the Stafford trade means we couldn't have improved on the OL. Those don't have independent things. Especially since we may not use that #8 pick on an OL anyway. If Slater or Sewell is gone, why would we reach on an OL? If a QB is there or Slater or Sewell, why wouldn't you jump on the QB outside of him just not being high on your board?

At what cost and how many years are we getting from him?  Trading for MS is a win now move and this franchise, no matter what Rhule or whoever say, is not that close

1 minute ago, USC/panthers_11 said:

Someone who was picked #1 overall in the draft is mediocre talent? LMAO. The Jets are sh*t organization. 

Who was picked #1 overall?

3 minutes ago, ncfan said:

There's a strong possibility that Lance wont make it to 8. 

Then someone else will fall.  Do you research and make sure whoever that is fits in the scheme of what you are trying to do. 

I believe there is 0% chance 4 qbs' go in the top 7 picks.  It jsut doesnt happen

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah but we aren't going to be able to judge any deal until we know the price. What we offered for Stafford seems to have been a pretty fair price but we got scooped by offering something we weren't prepared to offer(that second 1st rounder). 

I haven't seen anything yet to make me think there is some free wheel spending going on. 

It may have been fair (although I disagree) but its not what we needed.  We have too many holes to be giving picks away.  I mean hell who was going to be blocking for Stafford if the Lions pulled that trigger?  Its insanity

1 minute ago, 45catfan said:

Yeah, and I remember the knock on Allen is the same as the guy in my avatar...underdeveloped, small school prospect that's not ready to be a day 1 starter in this League.  So while the Jets are looking to possibly move on from Darnold, Allen is just hitting his stride.  Granted, Allen had some growing pains for a couple of years, but the Bills have there franchise QB while the Jets are at a crossroads with Darnold.

D1 competition, NFL ready, blah, blah, blah.  The draft is about projection at it's core.  I saw back then that Allen would be the better QB of those two even if he didn't play a tons of game in a power 5 conference.

Chew on that Trey Lance doubters....

 

Yep pick a guy, have the patience and infrastructure to develop him and reap rewards.  Stick at 8 and pick lance.

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Well we have no idea who we have been involved with other than Stafford. All the rest is just reports of "multiple teams." 

I don't know or really care who we are involved with looking at, I am just more speaking to how completely nuts this market is at the moment. I cannot ever recall this kind of feeding frenzy for QB's. 

Watson and trubisky.  And if you believe Fits "every deal" comment you would have to think he has kicked the tires on every other available qb.

I just dont think getting a damaged goods qb while giving up precious draft capital is what this franchise needs right now.  In honesty in makes no sense

20 minutes ago, Mills said:

Not a single panther fan or otherwise thought that Free agent Jake Delhomme would take us to a super bowl.

It can be done.

Jake and going the FA route are abnormallys not the norm

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

This offseason has been insane on the QB front. INSANE. 

 

Yep, it almost feels like our front office is got up in the frenzy in going after some of these guys, just calm down boys and let the game come to you

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

I think when you get down to it, you must ask yourself if Darnold is worth the 8th pick.

You can ask the question until you are blue in the face but the answer will continue to be and will never change from a "HELL NO"

If we trade for a qb before we evaluate/interview the qb prospects I am going to lose my mind.  If that happens then to me that is a knock against both rhule and fit.

Build through the damn draft.

13 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

no more than a second. do that and stock talent around him and i wouldn't hate it if the coaches thought he's a great player in an awful system.

If we do a 2nd do a next years 2nd for the love of God we have to build our oline through the draft.

Stink with the gawd damn plan.  Draft a about at 8 and build around him.  Stop this insanity. 

1 minute ago, TreadmillTrackstar said:

Uh oh she is "triggered" again for the 687th time this week. 

Her posts are 95% about race

1 hour ago, Ricky Spanish said:

I dunno man. I like a lot of what I see from him as a prospect in terms of potential. I don't necessarily think he'll be ready day 1, but I think he has the potential to be really good given time to develop (much like Lance).

 

A team would be insane to trot him out there day 1. 

I am no qb guru or anything just a dude that watches and has watched a lot of football for a long time and I have said all along there is just something I found amiss about fields.  Not saying its per se but man just hearing him speak and his game to me there is just something not right and I cannot put my finger on it.

After Trevor I like Wilson then Lance but its basically neck and neck.  If Lance had played this year and played well comparable to last season then he would be right behind TL but we will never know

9 hours ago, BrizzMachete said:

How many qbs went on only to have one good season of college ball and then proceeded to light the league up? I don’t know any outside of Cam in this generation . Correct me if I’m wrong . Stay away from one hit wonders they always flame out 

Joe Burrow

Justin Herbert

kyler murray

matt ryan

dak prescott

Willie Green the touchdown machine

9 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

It actually does make some sense but you have to think beyond the scope of just Matt Ryan. How long do GMs and coaches have to turn around their team? 3 maybe 4 years. That could realistically leave the Falcons starting year 3 needing to draft a QB to start because they has to dump Ryan's contract. And next year's class is not looking particularly strong. 

No other position is as important as QB and having a top 4 pick is an opportunity you dont have often. So if you think your future QB is there you take him, sit him for 2 years, dump Ryan and his contract and have a guy with 2 years of NFL camp and experience ready to go year 3 with 3 years of rookie contract remaining. 

If you're thinking about your future as a coach or GM, you better be considering Ryan is 36 and you may have to start over 3 years into your stint. Question is will you make it to year 4? 

It doesnt make sense dude, we have explained it to you, it doesnt make sense

4 minutes ago, Little Goody Two Shoes said:

Maybe we swap with the Niners then trade Jimmy G to the Pats.

thats 3d chess bro

2 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Does Wilson throw to his left?

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/9/6/20853124/mitchell-trubisky-chicago-bears-quarterback-throw-left

Just now, Zod said:

At this point I just don't see how they can't get a new QB. Teddy has tire marks down his back from the bus that was driven over him. To trot him out at QB with no other plan is like asking for fans not to buy tickets. 

I hope we renegotiate his deal after we pick a qb.  Tack on an extra year or 2 guaranteed for a total of 24/5ish for 3 years.  So he can stay and help teach and be a competent back up.

I am fine giving away next years first to move up to 2 or 3.  I dont want to give up this years 2nd. 

Would the jets trade down to 8 for next years 1rst and say a 3rd if they decided not to go qb?

4 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

For reasons you listed above I have absolutely no qualms with Luke stepping away before turning 30. Fun as hell to watch him play, but I hope he got out soon enough to where he can still live a normal life without severe physical pain on the daily. 

I think Lukes deal was the concussions, Luck was the one that didnt like dealing with pain, rehab, reinjury rinse and repeat.  Good for him

3 minutes ago, NAS said:

Lance needs to be the pick.  I only worry about him getting drafted before #8

He wont.  The qb needy teams that need to win now are not drafting someone with only 1 year of d3 ball under their belt.  We however can be more patient