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4 minutes ago, mountainpantherfan2 said:

I hated the trade up more so than draft pick last year.  I just didn't see any of the options being that for sure #1 overall, franchise QB.  I didn't even think they should draft a QB #9.  I feel like the sweet spot to draft a QB is between picks 11-50.  And don't do it when you are desperate for one.

But you're right, it didn't seem like that then tried to build the team around Bryce's strengths. I would say they are doing better at that this year.  And the scheme has helped other QB's in the past.  Hoping for the best but not very hopeful.  

I was pretty fuging vocal about not trading up, rolling out MC and then go from there.  But the panthers are going to panther and we more then likely will be starting over again in 25

18 minutes ago, mountainpantherfan2 said:

Just to clarify, Stroud had a very good season and did a lot of things the right way for a rookie.  I wasn't trying to downgrade his accomplishments in 2023 at all.  What I was trying to point out was that Stroud, again in my opinion, didn't showcase a skill set that resembled a player that could elevate over the struggles of the 2023 Panthers offense as a whole.  QB's like Newton or Jackson or Mahomes (that last reference in my post was hyperbole) can and have elevated above their teams weaknesses.  Stroud played good enough and made. those around him better enough to get them to the playoffs in a weak division. 

Of all the reasonable options that could have started for the Panthers at QB in 2023 (Young, Stroud, Richardson, Levis, and Dalton) none seemed to be the type of player that would have succeeded more than Young did with the offensive line and the entire offensive system being as bad as it was.

stroud will punish you with a deep ball, young not so much

1 minute ago, CRA said:

That's what I hope.  I think based on the little we have seen from Canales....a young Jake Delhomme is a better pairing for his O than what Bryce brings.   Which is why Baker rebounded with him.  Seattle, Bucs.  All about the type throws Leggette is a fix for.   It's chunk plays.  

did he "rebound" or did he just revert back to his norm after getting away from this terrible franchise?

Just now, CRA said:

I have said the same thing.  Agree. 

which in turn gives me hope that we arent married to BY for 2 more years

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

See, I think Leggette is better suited to play w/ a Rattler.  Rattler gambles, has an arm and plays aggressive. 

Bryce wants players to be Bama college open or he is going safe more often than not.  Leggette is a let me try to make a play WR.  

If the goal was to roll with young and give him exactly what he needs then Ladd would be the pick, if the goal was to build the best roster then XL or coleman would be the better selection

Just now, frankw said:

Remember that Saints game to close the season in 2022?

Just abysmal QB play.

damn it, you arent wrong but darnold is a special special kind of bad

1 minute ago, frankw said:

Dalton is honestly garbage. He's on par with Sam Darnold at this stage in his career.

 

easy cowboy

3 minutes ago, Pejorative Miscreant said:

We'd be bitching about a moronic owner and FO that gave up a ransom for a draft pick and then were content to let him sit on the bench.

Young should have sat at least 6ish games to start the year.  Some qbs can hop right in to the nfl (cam obviously) but most IMO need to sit and learn and not feel the immediate pressure of having to win.  I think the Pats are doing that with Maye and I suspect they will be rewarded for it.

Godalmighty

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2024/5/2/24146760/questions-after-2024-nfl-draft-dallas-cowboys-miami-dolphins-cj-stroud-jordan-love-aaron-rodgers

The problems begin with Young. The Charlotte restaurateur who clowned Tepper is right. It certainly seems like Tepper was behind the decision to trade up to no. 1 in 2023, then use that pick on Young to be the franchise’s savior. By all measures, Young so far has fallen well short of the mark. Seventy-two different quarterbacks have had 200-plus dropbacks in their rookie seasons since the 2000 season; Young’s 2023 campaign ranks dead last among them in EPA per dropback in obvious passing situations (second, third, and fourth downs of 7-plus yards). Tepper’s hiring and firing decisions and drink-tossing are embarrassing, but missing on Young will set the team back if the QB doesn’t flip the script in 2024. Per FanDuel’s win total projections, the Panthers are tied for the lowest implied market probability to clear 5.5 wins of any team in the league. Stop laughing! It’s not funny!

6 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Going into the draft their biggest mistake was thinking they were a qb away. Their second biggest mistake was trading up. It went down hill from there. Turning down the Rams picks was a harbinger of things to come.

A bunch of us were screaming that.  fug fat fitterer.    Should have rolled with the 9th pick and see what Corral had

the play at :26 is legit poo

10 minutes ago, strato said:

I am gonna say, it has to be on the concern list.

OTOH it isn’t last year. The two guys flanking the C are going to be a bit more help than the guys we had. I mean, I didn’t know why Zavala was on the team after watching his misadventures last season.  

In his defense he was a rookie that didn't really have training camp becauseofinjury.  Then thrust into starting lineup. He was a road grader in college.  Hopefully he provides depth at guard

3 minutes ago, toldozer said:

Not as insane as trading him for peanuts when the cost was already sunk

and there is that as well

Just now, rayzor said:

i'm becoming less and less worried about their ability to do the job.

like others, i'm just worried about durability,

bingo, I honestly have no clue how frequently centers get cut during TC or what not but we seriously need to be proactive if one becomes available.   I just cannot see a world where corbett stays healthy all season with those knees. 

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

once we drafted JStew I felt we had to let DWill walk

once they paid DWill I thought you had to let JStew walk

but that made you a hater.  In real time, everyone loved those dudes.  They were interreacting with fans and all sorts of stuff.  Can't remember the details but I feel they had a little online fanclub thing  and were sort of early to the online engagement. 

 

 

extending cmac when  we did was equally insane

47 minutes ago, CRA said:

what about the 3rd best C for a RB

Thats a good question.  We have to assume he will not be 100% until later in the year at best and we are not winning anything this season.  So maybe the 2nd best center this season and then simply draft the top rb next year as the roster is getting built out.   All I know is corbett has been hurt 2x now and we are asking him to play a position in the nfl he never has.  And I guess backing him up is another player thats been hurt 2x thats never played the position in the nfl.  I dont know man that seems like a massive red flag on the line for a qb that doesnt like pressure

1 minute ago, jb2288 said:

I don’t know I’m starting to get a suspicion Corbett was never the true plan and it was always BC. If true, we already have 2 centers on the roster and we know BC is an average to above average guard based on his rookie year. Gotta imagine he is better in year 3 even coming off injury and can hope he’s able to make the switch 

if we are relying on a guy who has never played center coming off a season ending injury to be the center then we are not even giving bryce a chance........oh wait we are and its his back up as well

4 minutes ago, falconlynx said:

Looks like we should have made you the GM. You obviously know more than Dan Morgan and everyone who observes practice and talks to the players daily. 

dan morgan like young, didnt want to trade burns, liked dj johnson and pushed for jamie robinson

if people are skeptical its not blindly

1 minute ago, CRA said:

I mean, his O is literally on film from last year.  They stubbornly ran the  ball mediocrely and then had Baker chuck it downfield off that.  

He is more John Fox than Mike Shannahan.  

Frank had no secret offense.  Neither likely does Canales.

I want to believe he is a wonder kid play caller, but godalmighty there are a ton of red flags going against this.   I truly would like to know what we were the only interview he got.  Nobody else thought he was worthy to simply bring in and listen to what he has to say especially since he is a supposed qb and wr whisperer

33 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

While I agree with you to a point, I think the routes were simplified to deal with Bryce's physical limitations. I think we would have seen much more creativity in the offense if we had a big armed QB behind center like Stroud, Richardson, or Levis.

If you take time to watch that video on page 6 of this thread, you'll see that Bryce was terrible on the deep pass last year. 

 

Teams quickly figured out that he wasn't able to throw deep with consistency and not a threat to throw outside the numbers unless it was a short curl or a bubble screen. You really only had to drop 10 yards and take the area between the numbers. Even if we had receivers last season that could get better separation, the opposing team still would have been able to defend our passing plays because it's easy to sit on the routes.

they got to preseason specifically the jets scrimmage and were like "oh fug, oh fug" and it didnt really get any better from there

6 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I agree, but that is the widely held "unspoken rule."  Just to give the matter more perspectives than ours--I see it as an investment for next year--part of the current long term plan.  When negotiating, however, people want it NOW and it has that value now.  But we wanted it for 2025, so it will have second round value to us.  If I were making a trade and the Seahawks offered a second right now and the Rams offered a second the following year, of course--all things equal--the Seahawk offer is the better offer because I can use it immediately. 

It could be that these GMs value now more than next season because their jobs are on the line now--if they do not get results, the second rounder belongs to the next GM--I don't know--but to your point, the player is going to be the same player--the value is not on the talent, it is on the timing of the talent.  Just spitballing.

so is that first from the rams in 24 still devalued? 

1 minute ago, Ornias said:

I see no reason to waste reps on him. 

Just now, Gapanthersfan said:

The first TC practice will show A LOT.

I bet TMJ balls out..........again

16 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

I mean run first and get the ball out in 2.7 seconds...

if 2.7 seconds isnt coach speak then XL is a pick for the next qb

25 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

Yeah people are not grasping this. Just because Canales is a younger coach it doesn't mean he's some super creative offensive mind. He wants to basically play Fox/Rivera style football. He alludes to it in pressers all the time. Although running zone instead of power which I'm personally not a fan of

if the game plan is to simply run the ball to make young a game manager then yeah we are truly fuged on so many levels, I gotta think that is all coach speak and he has a modern day nfl offense planned.