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Just now, Jon Snow said:

Word was that Wilks was going to hire Frank as his OC. I doubt that combination would have changed how the reason ultimately played out. 

Brian Johnson 

7 minutes ago, rayzor said:

most of us watching wilson hated playing against him. he was good, but a lot of what he did was luck. he'd get into trouble, scramble around, and then just toss the ball and hope that there was a guy there who could get to it and that happened a lot. i think there are parallels there for sure. bryce scrambles and will probably just end up tossing up the ball and hoping that someone will be there. i think XL can be one of those guys who make those adjustments to the ball the way Wilson's WRs did. 

his scrambling ability, especially early in his career, was legendary.  The way he could get himself out of trouble and still make a play was poetic.  I dont see bryce having anything close to that type of skill set.

11 minutes ago, Montsta said:

I suspect that for the second year in a row, he will have a worse statistical season than every other rookie, which is a remarkable achievement. 

If that in fact happens, do you think they will shoe horn Young into a 3rd season or draft another guy?

22 minutes ago, Castavar said:

In order for this to be successful, you need:

3) A dominate/opportunistic defense (could have that as long as Evero is here)

 

Everos defenses dont really produce turnovers for whatever reason

1 minute ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

I'll explain it to you like somebody who still gives a poo about whether people wear a mask alone in their car.

Anthony Fauci and Bill Gates' transgender chemtrails were distributed by George Soros via cans of Bud Light with Dylan Mulvaney's face on it to Hunter Biden's laptop.  This was then telepathically transmitted to Seth Rich who used his ivermectin and HCQ powered brain waves to make Bryce Young throw inaccurate passes.

math checks out

10 minutes ago, CRA said:

It's the Foxball mindset really.  Run the ball, take deep shots.  That's what Canales has always been around.  Problem remains, he doesn't have the gambling deep shot QB.  Which is key to every O he has been around.  Baker.  Took the deep shots.  Geno.  Took the deep shots.  Wilson.  Took the deep shots.   Without that element, those offenses don't work.   Chunk pass play offense the run sets up. 

Should have kept wilks then

11 minutes ago, strato said:

That was the best football we have seen for literally, years. 

That type of football is not sustainable in the modern nfl

Just now, Jon Snow said:

Yo7 don't know that either. Everyone assumes that what it means. Just because that was Frank's plan doesn't mean that is what Dave will do. It could be but I would not assume that.

I know nfl football and you need an elite talent at qb to consistently win. 

3 minutes ago, strato said:

Refresh my memory please. Fitt said what?

he said something to the effect that its going to take time with bryce.   Basically said to be patient we are going to look like poo early and hopefully be better later in teh year a la wilsons first year. 

31 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

If we end up with a top pick then we have no choice but to draft another QB

As for Bryce, my concern is his arm strength. Always has been. Figured he’d put on some muscle but clearly that isn’t going to happen 

not directed at you per se, but he has had elite coaching, elite training and gone to elite camps since the 8th grade.  Why would this off season be any different?  He is who he is at this point and the fact that he joked about binging netflix all off season kindof shows his true colors

1 hour ago, Jon Snow said:

You don't know that. His goal is to make him play to the best of his abilities. That is what he's said all along. Whether it helps to win games has yet to be seen. Canales has to also build a team and offense good enough to win no matter who's behind center. If he can do that he will be around to get whoever he feels is better to run it. He's not tied to Young but he still has to build a complete team and offense. 

having your qb simply be a game manager is a good recipe for hovering around .500 and picking in the teens.  Its nfl purgatory. 

18 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

They were not blindsided by anything. They knew everything about all of those qb's. To say he was blindsided is just ridiculous. He spent all his time before the draft reviewing tape on all of them. Met in-person with all of them and had them in for workouts. How on earth would he not know what Young could or could not do? No, he knew what he was getting. He just couldn't build an offense around what he had. That is on him.

Its scary to think that some of us dumb ass huddlers evaluated bryce for what he is before the damn draft that this collective front office couldnt see what we saw.   I mean we have receipts saying this dude isnt athletic, doesnt have a strong arm or good deep ball and has shitty mechanics but alas here we are, the teppers fell in love over a steak dinner.   Lets get this year over with and move on to a new dude in 2025.  Its all we can do

21 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm left with two possible conclusions here. One, Reich just saw a sucker in Tepper and hit him up for a check to ride into retirement on. Two, Reich took the job expecting a different QB to be the pick probably through his influence of the draft process. He and Bryce seemed like a major mismatch from the get go. Unless he was just looking for one last payday I really don't think he would've taken the job if he felt like Bryce would ultimately be the pick. There was a lot of talk about Reich always preferring QBs with good size and big arms. Now granted, all else being equal who doesn't? But it was always talked about that Bryce was basically the physical antithesis of what Reich had historically preferred at QB.

Hell, maybe it was a little bit of both. I can get this newbie owner to give me a pile of money based on my experience because his woefully inexperienced coach flopped horribly and then hopefully I can influence the draft process to get the QB I want. If not, oh well. At least I got paid! LOL

Ive said 1000x on here that by the preseason Reich knew his goose was cooked with BY.  The body language, the answers, and when fitt came out and said what he said everyone knew before the season even started that they fuged up

36 minutes ago, csx said:

People getting a little too excited about the Louisville qb from 1 pass and a hatred of BY.

Sounded like he struggled 

huh?

41 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Way too early to have an opinion about the QB class next year.  A top prospect could emerge.

Beck was really good last year, I just want to see him do it again and get better.  He is big, strong, great footwork/mechanics and has a howitzer for an arm

2 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

That was the one I saw where he looked terrified and ran through his read. Zero confidence or Rhythm back there.

He had a clean pocket, open receivers and still panicked, I honestly believe he cannot see the entire field......and that hopping motion is brutal.

All in all the brit did a good job imo, not biased and seemed to know his stuff.  Its concerning overall that he kept mentioning Youngs velocity on some throws.  Some he said were "fine" others were not so much

The play at 18:58 is exactly why he will never succeed.  The classic hopping and simply not being able to see the field due to his size

1 hour ago, Green-Ghost said:

By the way, I have a different opinion regarding Tepper throwing water on a fan.  How do we know if the fan was possibly cheering an injury?  What I heard was a fan was cheering an injury to a Panther player.  I am not saying that what Tepper did is acceptable but I am saying it was understandable.  It is human nature, the person who retaliates always gets noticed and suffers the consequences.

 

Sure buddy, I am sure you heard that.  Tell us where you did?  Tepper threw the drink after bryces int

1 hour ago, MasterAwesome said:

Well, we all need to use our brains too...not just our eyes.  Our eyes tell us that Bryce was objectively bad last year.  Our brains are what allow us the critical thinking to deduce why Bryce was bad, which is the crux of the disagreement.  Perhaps Bryce just doesn't have the tools to be a starting QB in this league and this season will confirm that for us.  But you seem to not even be able to fathom or acknowledge the possibility that Bryce's poor play (i.e. bad footwork, bad downfield accuracy, bad decision-making, etc.) could in large part be a product of abysmal circumstances including poor coaching, poor playcalling, poor pass protection, and a poor receiving corps.  You call them "excuses", which they are, but how can you not understand that those can very well be inextricably linked?  It's like getting punched in the stomach repeatedly during karaoke night and then people complaining that your singing was off pitch.  Are you actually a good singer?  I don't know, that performance really sucked but I'm willing to give you one more song under better conditions.

The bad footwork/mechanics and bad deep ball were on display at bama.   This isnt a new thing.  Some of us dumb ass huddlers were pointing that out way before he was drafted here.

If he hasnt worked on those issues since 8th grade why should we expect him to do it this off season?

26 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Who is to say what's realistic and, even at that....who the fug cares what anyone's "realistic" take is?

 

vegas has us at roughly 5 wins.  They have been pretty accurate in regards to us the past few years.   So I will trust people with skin in the game as far as realistic takes go.   I think 6 wins is possible but even then thats a lot of bad.  A lot of bad.  Sure we are making positive moves in theory but so is every other team in the nfl.   With tepper its just hard to get pumped as you know he is going to do something.  

And I am on record about the brooks pick being somewhat stupid.  We need center/line/corner help and we dont have the luxury of trading up for a injured running back that we seemingly are going to handle with kid gloves in the short term.  Essentially burning one of his contract years in another poo season.  Why not get everything right and then draft a rb high next season that can literally step in and play day one?  It just doesnt make sense to me.  Brooks isnt some once in a lifetime talent.  So for me it just seems like the same old panthers making some wtf decisions.   I pray I am wrong, I pray morgan has it under control so I guess we will see.  My gut says bryce aint it and we force it another 2 seasons trying to make it work.

4 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Is it  worse than being pessimistic about the season way before it starts?

no offense and I certainly dont want to get into a pissing match with a mod but damn man you seem really upset about posters that have a realistic outlook on the season and franchise in general.   This team for basically a decade has not given us poo to look forward to and being unrealistically optimistic doesnt make one a super fan or something.  Once this team turns the corner and shows something then we can hop on board the train.  Until then tepper is still the owner and we are still a 2 win team.

thats the best someone worth multi billions can do?  Godalmighty

14 minutes ago, csx said:

Neither of which isn't likely to start this year so not  huge difference in that respect 

a healthy rookie center getting reps and starts is 1000% different then a rookie rb coming off an injury having to monitor his touches especially in a crap year and especially when the starter has 2 shot knees

5 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

When he is cleared to play means something lol. You are so whiney…

Brooks said the ACL tear he suffered in November didn't come with any damage to other ligaments -- a factor that likely contributed to the Panthers' confidence making him the first back selected in the 2024 NFL Draft (46th overall). He's begun running and plans to resume cutting soon, with the intention of participating at the start of training camp in late July, shortly after his 21st birthday
 

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/panthers-jonathon-brooks-on-track-for-camp/amp/
 

He should get some touches early on and eased into the starting role. 

cleared to play and being 100% are 2 completely different things.  Go look up how long it takes a nfl running back to get back to form.  We have posted it for you and you refuse to acknowledge.  So how about this.  If he is such a stud and he will be ready for action week 1, whats your prediction for the season for him?

18 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

He said he will be ready by 7/1 for training camp?

Which means absolutely nothing.  Should have drafted a center and then a rb next year