mrcompletely11

1 hour ago, MasterAwesome said:

Well, we all need to use our brains too...not just our eyes.  Our eyes tell us that Bryce was objectively bad last year.  Our brains are what allow us the critical thinking to deduce why Bryce was bad, which is the crux of the disagreement.  Perhaps Bryce just doesn't have the tools to be a starting QB in this league and this season will confirm that for us.  But you seem to not even be able to fathom or acknowledge the possibility that Bryce's poor play (i.e. bad footwork, bad downfield accuracy, bad decision-making, etc.) could in large part be a product of abysmal circumstances including poor coaching, poor playcalling, poor pass protection, and a poor receiving corps.  You call them "excuses", which they are, but how can you not understand that those can very well be inextricably linked?  It's like getting punched in the stomach repeatedly during karaoke night and then people complaining that your singing was off pitch.  Are you actually a good singer?  I don't know, that performance really sucked but I'm willing to give you one more song under better conditions.

The bad footwork/mechanics and bad deep ball were on display at bama.   This isnt a new thing.  Some of us dumb ass huddlers were pointing that out way before he was drafted here.

If he hasnt worked on those issues since 8th grade why should we expect him to do it this off season?

26 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Who is to say what's realistic and, even at that....who the fug cares what anyone's "realistic" take is?

 

vegas has us at roughly 5 wins.  They have been pretty accurate in regards to us the past few years.   So I will trust people with skin in the game as far as realistic takes go.   I think 6 wins is possible but even then thats a lot of bad.  A lot of bad.  Sure we are making positive moves in theory but so is every other team in the nfl.   With tepper its just hard to get pumped as you know he is going to do something.  

And I am on record about the brooks pick being somewhat stupid.  We need center/line/corner help and we dont have the luxury of trading up for a injured running back that we seemingly are going to handle with kid gloves in the short term.  Essentially burning one of his contract years in another poo season.  Why not get everything right and then draft a rb high next season that can literally step in and play day one?  It just doesnt make sense to me.  Brooks isnt some once in a lifetime talent.  So for me it just seems like the same old panthers making some wtf decisions.   I pray I am wrong, I pray morgan has it under control so I guess we will see.  My gut says bryce aint it and we force it another 2 seasons trying to make it work.

4 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Is it  worse than being pessimistic about the season way before it starts?

no offense and I certainly dont want to get into a pissing match with a mod but damn man you seem really upset about posters that have a realistic outlook on the season and franchise in general.   This team for basically a decade has not given us poo to look forward to and being unrealistically optimistic doesnt make one a super fan or something.  Once this team turns the corner and shows something then we can hop on board the train.  Until then tepper is still the owner and we are still a 2 win team.

thats the best someone worth multi billions can do?  Godalmighty

14 minutes ago, csx said:

Neither of which isn't likely to start this year so not  huge difference in that respect 

a healthy rookie center getting reps and starts is 1000% different then a rookie rb coming off an injury having to monitor his touches especially in a crap year and especially when the starter has 2 shot knees

5 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

When he is cleared to play means something lol. You are so whiney…

Brooks said the ACL tear he suffered in November didn't come with any damage to other ligaments -- a factor that likely contributed to the Panthers' confidence making him the first back selected in the 2024 NFL Draft (46th overall). He's begun running and plans to resume cutting soon, with the intention of participating at the start of training camp in late July, shortly after his 21st birthday
 

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/panthers-jonathon-brooks-on-track-for-camp/amp/
 

He should get some touches early on and eased into the starting role. 

cleared to play and being 100% are 2 completely different things.  Go look up how long it takes a nfl running back to get back to form.  We have posted it for you and you refuse to acknowledge.  So how about this.  If he is such a stud and he will be ready for action week 1, whats your prediction for the season for him?

18 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

He said he will be ready by 7/1 for training camp?

Which means absolutely nothing.  Should have drafted a center and then a rb next year

1 hour ago, Ricky Spanish said:

He is SIGNIFICANTLY better than Sanders.

He is also SIGNIFICANTLY more injury prone than any RB that I can remember in the past decade.

the best ability is availability and penny is even less reliable then horn

I don’t think he is better then sanders

4 minutes ago, Ricky Prickles said:

But that is just one injury and any freak injury can happen to anyone at any time at least I thought. Last week, I whacked off the other morning at around 6am but that does not necessarily mean I am prone to whack off every morning (No time dammit) at 6 am does it?

19 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Clean ACLs really are not. He is already running on it. There are more complicated injuries where ACLs tear with other things that can cause more serious injuries. I think that’s where the confusion comes in. 

Clean or not its going to take him time to get to 100%, thats just the way it works.    Maybe he busts out the later part of the year and gives us hope but I kindof think they bring him along slowly given the type of year everyone is expecting

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30611344/

According to a 2019 study published in the National Library of Medicine, the average time between ACL tear and return to play among NFL players was almost 50 weeks.

7 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I’m talking about the war room and draft we just witnessed. Sitting in a war room is normal behavior and nothing to get upset about. Bringing up past issues which I already mentioned are fair game doesn’t really change the point. 

I mean sorta, the are widely known as meddling owners, tepper came out during the hirings that he was going to step away and let football people do there thing.  So it would be more encouraging on that regard if they simply werent in the room even if it was for optics alone.  Take the year off.  Get out of sight.  Especially considering his behavior the day prior

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

Owners in the war room is very common if not normal practice. Blank was in his, Hamp, Kraft, and even Hunt was there for the Chiefs. I’m trying to find an owner NOT in their teams war room… 

are other owners wifes callilng other gms about trades?  are they going to pro days?

7 hours ago, strato said:

Looked for a Tepper thread to ask this. Did people know that when Ben Navarro was still in play to buy the team, he asked John Lynch to run things for him? 

Listening to a Lynch interview he makes the claim (really bored, but hey, I never hear that one).

Ben Navarro was never seriously in play to buy the team for numerous reasons

4 minutes ago, mountainpantherfan2 said:

I hated the trade up more so than draft pick last year.  I just didn't see any of the options being that for sure #1 overall, franchise QB.  I didn't even think they should draft a QB #9.  I feel like the sweet spot to draft a QB is between picks 11-50.  And don't do it when you are desperate for one.

But you're right, it didn't seem like that then tried to build the team around Bryce's strengths. I would say they are doing better at that this year.  And the scheme has helped other QB's in the past.  Hoping for the best but not very hopeful.  

I was pretty fuging vocal about not trading up, rolling out MC and then go from there.  But the panthers are going to panther and we more then likely will be starting over again in 25

18 minutes ago, mountainpantherfan2 said:

Just to clarify, Stroud had a very good season and did a lot of things the right way for a rookie.  I wasn't trying to downgrade his accomplishments in 2023 at all.  What I was trying to point out was that Stroud, again in my opinion, didn't showcase a skill set that resembled a player that could elevate over the struggles of the 2023 Panthers offense as a whole.  QB's like Newton or Jackson or Mahomes (that last reference in my post was hyperbole) can and have elevated above their teams weaknesses.  Stroud played good enough and made. those around him better enough to get them to the playoffs in a weak division. 

Of all the reasonable options that could have started for the Panthers at QB in 2023 (Young, Stroud, Richardson, Levis, and Dalton) none seemed to be the type of player that would have succeeded more than Young did with the offensive line and the entire offensive system being as bad as it was.

stroud will punish you with a deep ball, young not so much

1 minute ago, CRA said:

That's what I hope.  I think based on the little we have seen from Canales....a young Jake Delhomme is a better pairing for his O than what Bryce brings.   Which is why Baker rebounded with him.  Seattle, Bucs.  All about the type throws Leggette is a fix for.   It's chunk plays.  

did he "rebound" or did he just revert back to his norm after getting away from this terrible franchise?

Just now, CRA said:

I have said the same thing.  Agree. 

which in turn gives me hope that we arent married to BY for 2 more years

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

See, I think Leggette is better suited to play w/ a Rattler.  Rattler gambles, has an arm and plays aggressive. 

Bryce wants players to be Bama college open or he is going safe more often than not.  Leggette is a let me try to make a play WR.  

If the goal was to roll with young and give him exactly what he needs then Ladd would be the pick, if the goal was to build the best roster then XL or coleman would be the better selection

Just now, frankw said:

Remember that Saints game to close the season in 2022?

Just abysmal QB play.

damn it, you arent wrong but darnold is a special special kind of bad

1 minute ago, frankw said:

Dalton is honestly garbage. He's on par with Sam Darnold at this stage in his career.

 

easy cowboy

3 minutes ago, Pejorative Miscreant said:

We'd be bitching about a moronic owner and FO that gave up a ransom for a draft pick and then were content to let him sit on the bench.

Young should have sat at least 6ish games to start the year.  Some qbs can hop right in to the nfl (cam obviously) but most IMO need to sit and learn and not feel the immediate pressure of having to win.  I think the Pats are doing that with Maye and I suspect they will be rewarded for it.

Godalmighty

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2024/5/2/24146760/questions-after-2024-nfl-draft-dallas-cowboys-miami-dolphins-cj-stroud-jordan-love-aaron-rodgers

The problems begin with Young. The Charlotte restaurateur who clowned Tepper is right. It certainly seems like Tepper was behind the decision to trade up to no. 1 in 2023, then use that pick on Young to be the franchise’s savior. By all measures, Young so far has fallen well short of the mark. Seventy-two different quarterbacks have had 200-plus dropbacks in their rookie seasons since the 2000 season; Young’s 2023 campaign ranks dead last among them in EPA per dropback in obvious passing situations (second, third, and fourth downs of 7-plus yards). Tepper’s hiring and firing decisions and drink-tossing are embarrassing, but missing on Young will set the team back if the QB doesn’t flip the script in 2024. Per FanDuel’s win total projections, the Panthers are tied for the lowest implied market probability to clear 5.5 wins of any team in the league. Stop laughing! It’s not funny!

6 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Going into the draft their biggest mistake was thinking they were a qb away. Their second biggest mistake was trading up. It went down hill from there. Turning down the Rams picks was a harbinger of things to come.

A bunch of us were screaming that.  fug fat fitterer.    Should have rolled with the 9th pick and see what Corral had

the play at :26 is legit poo