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2 hours ago, KSpan said:

As an honest question here, what level of performance "proves the doubters wrong"? Guy was the #1 overall pick and came at a tall price. I fully expect him to achieve Bridgewater-like numbers and eventually be at that level of player, but that sure doesn't justify the #1 overall and doesn't prove anyone wrong. Are we talking something like consistent years of top 10 QB play as the threshold for "proving the doubters wrong"?

Bro people here act like he isn't even fit to be in the NFL. I think he will show he is a franchise QB, take that for what its worth. Don't really care what you think he will achieve, you like all the other posters here including me don't actually know fug about poo or poo about fug when it comes to what Bryce can and can't do and how to evaluate and train a QB. No matter how much we like to think so. 

Easy to root for these guys. Odaba made a decent career for himself. We need all the DE help we can get, hope he can get in the rotation. 

Just to point out : Canales has said that he does this with every QB he has ever worked with. He starts them from the very basics again and works up. He has a plan he sticks to when working with QBs, he mentioned how he will be doing the same with with Dalton. 

It also sounds like that approach is kind of used for everything. He seems to start basic and small and has a plan to build upon that week over week. If anyone has time to listen to his OTA press conference after the first day he talks about his process in the scope of building out the offense. Interesting stuff. 

Just to answer the question plainly : Yes I do. I think Bryce is going to prove the doubters wrong and all the naysayers will line up with their excuses and won't eat the crow. Kids gonna ball. 

57 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

I mean truthfully thats not out the question, its already be stated most elite Qbs dont need everything to be great around them to succeed. Let say hypothetically XL lives up to the hype, Sanders shows why he was top TE in draft, Brooks becomes one of the best RBs in the league and the O line is top 5 based off all the money spent. That could be good enough to get you to a Superbowl without needing a QB to carry the team. Plus its already been said we will be a run heavy team so they are trying to take as much pressure off bryce as possible not give him way more responsibility. That clearly didnt work out to well last year and led to another staff overhaul. As of right now, relying on Bryce could cost people their jobs so its understandable if the coaches and other players are the catalyst for any success.

I mean what team doesn't surround their QB with talent?

Mahomes has had very good WRs his whole career as well as RBs and a HOF TE. Only last year was he without a true #1 and it was evident. They even went out and got a WR in round 1 this year. Is that not getting him talent? They also have had an amazing defense which doesn't hurt a QB. Baltimore has done everything they can to get Lamar Jackson WRs.  He already has a great TE in Andrews and they got studs at the RB position like 4 deep. The Bengals didn't draft Joe Burrow and leave him WRless, the followed up with Ja'marr Chase. If the only example anyone can pull is Mahomes, who is already in the argument of being an all time QB, I don't really think that reflects negatively on Young. I guess you could look at the Rams as an exception. Being able to get guys who are producing like they were drafted in the first round shows they have something special between scouting and scheme. 

Now do you think Bryce will succeed by surrounding him with talent? That is up to you. But don't take anything away from him because the team gives him weapons and protection? The two things any QB in the NFL needs to operate? 

On 5/13/2024 at 9:42 AM, TheSpecialJuan said:

 

Super interesting!  The talk of the different variables and even taking into account being an underdog is cool. Also I like the attitude/approach of if we are going to play 4 downs we need to actually play it as 4 downs and not have 4th down be a desperation play. You can use 3rd down to setup for it, but it has to be intentional. 

For me one big thing I pulled from this is teams are better are getting 1st downs now then scoring TDs and all games go "under" even Mahomes and Lamar. Possessions are even more valuable then before and you are mostly going to have to drive down the field to score and not try and rely on big hitters. So really seems to be a shift to this short/mid passing game because that is what defenses mostly give you. 

I also like his mentality on football also being football and things like momentum and edge are real. Hopefully that can help strike a nice balance between analytics and coaching moving forward. 

I do think its laughable that people want Bryce to lift weights like

A) he isn't but his goal is not to get jacked

B) Unless you expect him to pack on 50 LBs of muscle I don't really see the point. Arm strength/velocity has a lot to do with range of motion and flexibility in your shoulder. Basically creating torque. After that mechanics of transferring that energy and then its pure strength after that. He proved his durability, don't need to get bigger for that. MAYBE gain some weight to help get out of tackle but that should be lower on his list of priorities. 

What a stupid list.....how can you rank players who haven't even taken a real snap? How do you know one rookie is going to be better then another?

On 5/12/2024 at 8:21 AM, csx said:

The best coverage I've seen by far.

https://www.youtube.com/live/9bpehWDbcpI?si=ysb_EmEcKfkte_o-

I like supporting this guy, true fan working hard to provide us content. 

Ah damn, was really rooting for his come back. I hope he gets a shot somewhere else. Best of luck Tarik, you deserve good things coming your way. 

I hope he is here. He is good enough and earned the right to miss camp grind. I wonder how it plays out, there must be a contender trying to get him too. 

20 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

I get it a bit during the season and during games. Last season was frustrating as hell to watch and several games I just turned off at the half. It was pretty easy, when it was not enjoyable, I simply did something else. Usually I still tuned in for the start hoping that some magical change happened between games, but when it became clear that nothing changed, I just did something else. Same thing with a lot of Rhule’s tenure. I will never understand the Debbie downer excitement police in an off season such as this when nobody has any clue how these moves will all turn out. Legette could be the next Randy Moss or the next Keary Colbert. Nobody has any clue. But it is much more enjoyable to look at the ways in which he can be great, than to try to depress myself by making him a failure in my head already.

“Guyz hold on we haven’t been good so you should be sad and depressed and never have optimism”

”Guyz guyz we can’t make fun of the Falcons because I don’t like our QB”

I don’t think these people get invited to parties.

I doubt they do. These are the people who post things like " I was banging the table for CJ Stroud ". Bro the only person who can hear you banging the table is your wife and she don't care. Dan Morgan can't hear you. 

I'm also 100% on board with how you feel. This last season was probably the first where I didn't finish games and towards the end of the season even watch them This is as simple as it should be : I haven't let the Panthers ruin my day or change my attitude negatively since like 2010. I watch the games and root for them, I look at the upside in all FA and draft picks and I pull for the entire team through the season. Wash and repeat every season. Its great. 

16 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

If it’s out of my control why would I make a big deal? It’s a football team that’s made for entertainment. If it ever becomes a big deal when they are bad I can simply find other things to occupy my free time. Life is too short. 

Add to that the fact that we have no control as fans. Like how upset could I possibly get? 

Side note : it took my some time to get here, when I was younger I used to get dang heated over these Panthers. 

On topic : I think XL is going to be the real deal. Will go down as one of the best two WRs of this draft when it is all said and done.

Let the best men win. Sounds like Brooks will be a slow roll out which will give one of these guys a chance to ball out. Personally I am rooting for Cohen to make the team! 

I need to see some 4th quarter wins. Either holding a tight lead or coming back and winning it. That plus just better overall play, less ints and more TDs.

I mean at the end of the day they couldn't fix the team in one off season. The draft fell the way it did compared to their board. There is still time to bring in some vet/mid tier cuts maybe. Theres also next season, overall the line is vastly improved so hopefully results will be much better as long as center isn't god awful. 

Nice. Weapons. 

David Tepper really is me FR. Because if someone put up a sign blasting me, I'd go talk to them and I might come across a little pissed. That's just man poo. 

This is our Deebo Samuels, love it. 

Someone with more draft knowledge with me can help puzzle this out :

Canales said that when he was in Seattle, everyone on the offensice staff + ST were excited about Tyler Lockett. He said they are looking for a guy like that and it sounds like they found him. Who could it be? Who could excite on ST as well? 

Anything except QB and maybe Safeties, RB ( if a Gibbs type falls maybe )and OGs ( If they think they can learn to play Center but might require some time ). Talent can be used all over. 

I do think we should go something other then WR at #33 is possible ( BPA falls that way ). Diontae Johnson addition takes some pressure off and I truly think he can be a #1 WR. Hopefully he can prove me right and we resign him next season. Don't get me wrong one of our top 3 picks needs to be a WR still but there seem to be tons of options. I have a feeling the Michigan CB ( Sanistril? ) is going to be one of our top 3 picks. 

29 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

best case scenario is he does well and at age 30, they give him a 2-3 year deal.  We will be needing a RT next season, in my view, so ideally, we would not want a 40% overhaul.  I am not one who thinks Cade Mays is hot garbage--I think he could become a solid backup.  Funny, when we draft players late we call them "developmental" but when they are forced into action before they are ready, we want them gone--we have less patience for the developmental players than we do first rounders.  

Those are 2 good points. ideally Corbett works out and the C we take this year can back up guard/C and learn before being thrust in as a rookie and he shines from there. So our focus can solely be on tackle(s) next year depending on how Ekwonu develops. You are also right about one thing, Cade Mays did not have good coaching. So why write him off? Brady Christensen as well, I am excited to see what he can do with coaching that will play him where he is best and not judge him based on arm length. 

3 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

We will know more after the draft, I assume.  But I see your points.  As a former OL coach for a few high schools, I have a very basic knowledge of OL play.  However, I was saying all season that Campen was not doing a good job because there were signs.  Ickey's lack of mechanical development, missed assignments, and head spinning.  Head spinning is when you have no idea where your block is coming from--film study and coaching should tell you, "If the DT stunts inside, maintain inside out gap control...If the LB takes a false step into coverage but keeps his head focused on the QB, he is likely on a delayed blitz..."  Just examples, but we were so easy to fool.  The A gaps were tremendously laughable last year.  Campen was to blame.  Having said that, based on what this article says, it seems Corbett is a film rat and maybe that will translate well.  The OL must communicate.

I think we draft a C in the fifth round.  Calling it--the kid from Penn State maybe? 

It was insane how lost these guys looked like you said. Head spinning everywhere. 

Even if Corbett works out at C, having a long term plan and back up is important. I just don't see how you let a C pass you early in this draft. Hopefully one of the top 3 picks. Years of this, we all know how important it is to have an oline. Cannot win without a good one. You have to always been looking for upgrades and backups who can start when someone goes down.  

16 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

I like how we have a qb who can struggle with the deep ball and is better with timing routes, we have a questionable pass blocking oline, Canales said he wants the ball out in 2.6 seconds, we had no receivers who could create seperation last season, and we are expressing a lot of interest in receivers who have no quickness, can't create seperation, cant run routes, take time to get open at all, and only real potential is deep threats in Legette and Coleman.  Wtf are they doing?  I really just am hanging on to hope that these are all just smokescreens right now.

I mean Thielen created separation last season and Diontae Johnson 100% creates separation with his route running. So we have 2 guys who can do it. I would think that having a WR who can climb the ladder and fight for the ball while having deep speed would be a great compliment to those two.