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You can see how amazing his routes are on some clips the panthers post. It's a match made in heaven. Renfrow will get open and Bryce will deliver it on time. Watch, they are going to be 3rd down killers. 

Something I thought was interesting about the Horn Jr pick.  Candles didn't seem very impressed and Dan Morgan wanted "some Miami" in the room/building. I think a difference in perspective between them for late round picks. Dan valued the dang in him, Canales less interested because holes in his game. 

Note : all this is based on my dumbass reaction to a 10 second snippet.  

2 hours ago, rayzor said:

 

last year i think he sat out of camps waiting for a new deal that he never got so that probably put a bit of a stink in the relationship between him and the panthers. 

Yeah he really thought he was that guy. The Panthers? Not so much. 

2 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

When your QB weighs 200 lbs when soaking wet, then yea, you better put a ton of money in front of him

I'd argue it doesn't matter how big your QB is. Put a ton of money in front of him. We made that mistake once already. 

Interestingly I think we have kind of of gone through this as an organization. Richardson implemented an FO driven tank. Bad roster, no cash spent, coach uninterested. It may have been for different reasons but I think the results were the same. A team that wasn't going to win many if any games. We ended up with the #1 pick. Cam Newton came in and changed the franchise. It worked, but Cam himself pointed to the losing culture in the locker room needing to be changed. It probably took about 2-3 years for that to happen. Tank worked pretty damn well for us. Cam is one of one. Not another like him, everyone can't deliver on his draft status AND change a culture basically on his own. 

So as an exercise here are the last 30 #1 picks. If you tanked and got to pick #1 how many of these guys do you think were worth it? Not just good players, but franchise changers. Guys who will take your culture and shift it so the tank was actually worth it. I would say maybe 9 or 10 guys would be worth a tank, pending the last 5 picks? 

2025: Cam Ward (Miami (FL)) - Tennessee Titans
2024: Caleb Williams (USC) – Chicago Bears
2023: Bryce Young (Alabama) – Carolina Panthers
2022: Travon Walker (Georgia) – Jacksonville Jaguars
2021: Trevor Lawrence (Clemson) – Jacksonville Jaguars
2020: Joe Burrow (LSU) – Cincinnati Bengals
2019: Kyler Murray (Oklahoma) – Arizona Cardinals
2018: Baker Mayfield (Oklahoma) – Cleveland Browns
2017: Myles Garrett (Texas A&M) – Cleveland Browns
2016: Jared Goff (California) – Los Angeles Rams
2015: Jameis Winston (Florida State) – Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2014: Jadeveon Clowney (South Carolina) – Houston Texans
2013: Eric Fisher (Central Michigan) – Kansas City Chiefs
2012: Andrew Luck (Stanford) – Indianapolis Colts
2011: Cam Newton (Auburn) – Carolina Panthers
2010: Sam Bradford (Oklahoma) – St. Louis Rams
2009: Matthew Stafford (Georgia) – Detroit Lions
2008: Jake Long (Michigan) – Miami Dolphins
2007: JaMarcus Russell (LSU) – Oakland Raiders
2006: Mario Williams (North Carolina State) – Houston Texans
2005: Alex Smith (Utah) – San Francisco 49ers
2004: Eli Manning (Mississippi) – San Diego Chargers
2003: Carson Palmer (USC) – Cincinnati Bengals
2002: David Carr (Fresno State) – Houston Texans
2001: Michael Vick (Virginia Tech) – Atlanta Falcons
2000: Courtney Brown (Penn State) – Cleveland Browns
1999: Tim Couch (Kentucky) – Cleveland Browns
1998: Peyton Manning (Tennessee) – Indianapolis Colts
1997: Orlando Pace (Ohio State) – St. Louis Rams
1996: Keyshawn Johnson (USC) – New York Jets
1995: Ki-Jana Carter (Penn State) – Cincinnati Bengals

5 minutes ago, PanthersATL said:

And.... like that, we don't have to worry about Moose3 for a little bit.  Word is he's been waived (but could be resigned)

Shows what I know. LOL

I am also intrigued by Mohammad. Could be another story. Seems like he has the talent but seems to have had some issues with coaching schemes/changes,  some attitude and work ethic issues? Hopefully his being home can get him focused. Here is what I read ( all second hand to me ) : 

1- He has all the skills but was nonexistent under two different coaching staffs. He butted heads and was benched under Jimbo (for wearing sleeves under his uniform after the coaching staff told him not to ). Then under the new staff, he rarely saw the field – he had just 55 yards last season. When he saw the field, he either made the most impressive play of the game or would get an unsportsmanlike penalty. Just a bizarre case because he has the talent.

2 -Aggie here to provide some insight. As the other poster mentioned, Moose had a weird time at A&M and it didn't help that Jimbo's offense was painful and wide receivers never seemed to excel. His third year was promising but he was also competing with Evan Stewart, Noah Thomas, and Chase Lane who I'm pretty sure were all 5*s. Also Ainais Smith and Devon achane ran majority of the offense. That said, going into his last year with Jimbo, a couple guys like Lane and Achane left, and most Ags thought this would be the year Moose really steps up. Unfortunately as the other poster mentions, he disappeared into misconduct and coaching change.

However it shakes out, our 5 WR sets are going to be pretty nasty. 

All I am going to say is this. No one plays like he did at the end of the last season and its a fluke. Kid was straight balling out there. You heard it every week from the opposing team. Doubt if you want but BY9 is here to stay, you should find something else to talk about.  

Steve Smith quickly became someone I just appreciate for his play. I gave him the benefit of the doubt with Mingo. and he proved me wrong lol. He thought Mingo could use his physicality to dominate. Now he's saying Nalo is short on that front. So probably means he will be just fine lol. Anyways JC and Mike Jack will give him plenty of practice working against physical corners. 

Eh, I liked our draft especially the first 3 picks ( I think all 3 will be long term starters for us )  but I would be hesitant to use this as a win. For one someone already posted all the great draft grades they gave us on previous drafts, so they don't have a good track record. Secondly this makes sense because we just drafted guys they ranked high.

The only way I see it happening is if they bring him in as the backups backup because they want a leader on the defense in the locker room to help solidify the culture, especially with all the new additions on that side of the ball. 

So basically.....it won't happen. I appreciate everything Shaq did for this team, truly an underrated guy who had the misfortune of playing for some bad HCs/DCs/Teams starting with the end of Rivera's tenure. 

I feel like its been proven over and over again at QB. You can't take the guy that was handed everything on a silver platter. This isn't a case of he is just so much better then everyone Colorado would be crazy to not recruit him and make him the man. This is a case of the coaches son getting special treatment. They retired his number for fugs sake. 

QB in the NFL is too hard, you have to be locked in. Sanders does not have the mental makeup to be that guy. Then you add all the flags about his processing ability and not being able to throw with anticipation/throw receivers open. Doesn't even have the arm to wow you and think there is something to work with and mold.

Rooting for him. Was just reading up, doesn't seem like he got a lot of opportunities. Seems like his mental game is what he will have to overcome. Hopefully being close to home lets him focus. A little insight ( second hand, just what I saw posted ) : 

He has all the skills but was nonexistent under two different coaching staffs. He butted heads and was benched under Jimbo (for wearing sleeves under his uniform after the coaching staff told him not to ). Then under the new staff, he rarely saw the field – he had just 55 yards last season.

When he saw the field, he either made the most impressive play of the game or would get an unsportsmanlike penalty. Just a bizarre case because he has the talent.

Aggie here to provide some insight. As the other poster mentioned, Moose had a weird time at A&M and it didn't help that Jimbo's offense was painful and wide receivers never seemed to excel. His third year was promising but he was also competing with Evan Stewart, Noah Thomas, and Chase Lane who I'm pretty sure were all 5*s. Also Ainais Smith and Devon achane ran majority of the offense.

That said, going into his last year with Jimbo, a couple guys like Lane and Achane left, and most Ags thought this would be the year Moose really steps up. Unfortunately as the other poster mentions, he disappeared into misconduct and coaching change.

This should be required reading before reacting to our picks lol

2 TEs in the top 10 is nuts. I don't buy it. 

Amazing

It sounds like they use mock drafts ( maybe weighing some more then others ) rather then randomly generated drafts to simulate because they probably produce more accurate scenarios when analyzed as a whole. 

We got our coach. We got our QB. Dan Morgan is a DAWG. 

Sounds like WR late. Which I am okay with, they seemed to have shown some ability to find talent late with Coker.

Buddy you gotta let this one go. Even here on the huddle there is consensus that this is a bad idea. Do you know how impressive that is?

25 minutes ago, scratched said:

What could we get in a trade of Moton? He has a little age on him, and is starting to get a little nicked up... And we can draft Membou. We get younger at a position of need and gather a few picks in the trade? We are building for the future, and this guy Membou would be a good addition up front. 

You don't get rid of a player you know plays well and is a locker room leader, unless your hand is forced, on the hope that his replacement works out. You can still draft Membou and let him learn a year and get up to speed so he can hit the ground running, but you don't take a cornerstone linemen and off load him when he still plays well and isn't causing your team fits with their cap hit. 

The whole "How many games will we win this season?" question is also based in fantasy. You have to build a culture and keep improving. You don't throw in the towel at the start of the season and jettison good players for the future when we are not even close to a point where we have to blow the roster up and start over. They set the foundation last year, you let them build on it.

I voted Graham on this one ( Walker on another similar one ). I think either are great picks. Walker is intriguing. I think he can be a homerun pick, but the question is how will he be used? I think with the 8th pick you want to make sure he leans more towards a master of 1 skill vs a jack of all trades. This is on the coaching staff IMO, they need to make sure he is pressuring the QB more then anything else.

Graham was referred to as "A gift from God" by Harbaugh, that tells me all I need to know lol, kid is just a football player. A dawg if you will. 

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6263121/2025/04/08/panthers-basketball-tight-end-signing-colin-granger/

Article about him and the process. I just started reading it.