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As other have said IMO this is an Andy Reid situation all over again if it happens. His time in Pittsburgh ran out but he is still a great coach.

4 hours ago, hepcat said:

Tepper wanted to fire him in Pittsburgh, what makes yall think he will hire him here? We’re going to have a different head coach every year until one of them randomly has a good season out of sheer luck 

Didn't even read the post. It wasn't even long.....just ready to shot a post off for no reason. 

That rumor has been debunkee already. 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/fmia/news/nfl-chiefs-patrick-mahomes-jake-browning-playoffs-fmia-week-15-peter-king

Could be a great hire and help establish a culture here. A coach that brings a lot of cache, that players love. With the ability to stay steady through adveristy. Hell, he'll even "toe the line" and help you win games haha. 

Before anyone says it, the rumor Tepper wanted him out in Pittsburgh was proven false, I dont have time to dig it up.

I didn't want Wilks last season. I thought it would be great time to turn the page and bring some new age offensive football in. I didn't realize how much this team needed Wilks. I can't imagine he will ever be back, but if he was our next HC I wouldn't be too upset about it. I will always wonder what his plan for the 2023 Panthers was....

Cam as the guy who holds the next HC back when he get too hype on the sideline and starts to cross onto the field. 

I  am down with Olsen as HC, but I can't see Cam as President. Some other role where he is allowed to bring some attitude and culture to the team would be great though. Like just have him around the team year round and let his influence spread through the building. Cam put in the time and refused to lose, it wasn't in his mindset. We need that. 

Too many holes. BPA and hope BPA falls on QB, O-line, D-line, WR, DB, LB, RB in that order. Have to get Luvu under contract and either get something for Burns or play him out 1 more year on the tag. 

Needed to be done. GM/HC clean slate and hopefully someone who knows what they are doing between them and Tepper.

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

You're not gonna get that before the next draft though.

What you see this April will be the result of the current staff's draft evaluations, even if it's under a different GM.

Interesting note. It will be a good time to evaluate the current scouting dept and see if it works. 

Mannnnn I'm going to be in here in May, June, July and August feeling positive. We'll see after that lol, hopefully I want to watch the games through December. 

Build the lines and it all falls into place. Football is still won in the trenches. We have some talent on the O line we just need a good coach to sort them out and then work on filling the gaps. D line needs players badly. 

Not the biggest Tepper fan...but I think its funny he is getting heat for doing something better for the team/players. He's supposed to keep it in Wofford? For what? So Jerry Richardson's old school can get some money?

Bakhtiari and Campen are going to the Jets to be with Rodgers. 

12 hours ago, BrisbanePanther said:

I see it like the old friends running away from a bear story...Tepper doesn't have to be the best owner, just not as bad as the other potential openings, which let's review the potential/likely openings this year and compare them to Tepper:

- Davis (LV): probably even

- Johnson (NYJ): probably even

- Spanos (LA): probably better but not significantly

- Blank (ATL): way better

- Harris (WSH): unknown

- Kraft (NE): maybe better

- Benson (NO): way better

If ATL makes the playoffs, Blank won't fire Smith. Johnson could give Saleh one more year but the QB situation is a mess with Wilson. Allen is probably done.

The Carolina job would be a much better option than the Jets, so there's that. But it's definitely worse than the others, and ownership is only part of the reason.

I would say the Jets are in a better spot. That D is elite and talented, not just scheme related. They have an amazing WR is Garrett, a HR hitter RB in Bryce Hall. They need less pieces then we do. If they could score like 21 points a game and sustain some drives they would have a crazy good record right now. 

14 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Jim Caldwell Is the guy who got Frank into coaching. Don't buy for a minute that he would have anything to do with this.

The most reasonable suspicion seems to fall on James Campen and Chris Tabor, though I would say others who had no background with Reich may well be involved also.

Caldwell was just an example. Point still stands, I don't think it necessarily screams unprofessionalism. There are plenty of reasons to go above your boss to his. Sometimes even without going to them first, but I highlighted an hypothetical in which they could have and still ended up talking to Tepper. 

This won't change until the NFLPA forces the change. Owners are going to milk the stadiums for all they are worth. Capitalism. They make more money year over year via the NFL no matter how bad their team is. Everything else is just the cherry on top, because you can never be too rich. 

Oh well. Probably for the better. I doubt staying in some dorm room is better for the players then being near the stadium facilities and sleeping in their own beds.

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Unfortunately, it's not like "the person he was working for" has exactly been successful in his role.

What I'll say in Frank's favor is that he really should have been allowed to hire anybody he wanted without interference. It might not have gone any better, but it would have been a much fairer approach.

(and most likely a lot less toxic)

I can't really put anything positive on people running to the owner. That's just childish behavior and certainly not something a professional does.

Yeah but lets say you are for example Jim Caldwell. You talk to Josh McCown about the plan with Bryce and where you think there is a glaring error ( in this case footwork or RPO in the scheme ). You go through a week or two of meetings/practice/games. Nothing changes. Okay, next stop : Frank. Same thing. Who do you go to then when you see the ship is sinking and no one you've spoken to has shown any ability to navigate this. Next step is the GM, Franks boss. Fitt takes it in, get's you to go with him to Tepper to show that here is someone on the offensive staff with some good points about what we've seen over the last 6-8 weeks. It makes sense to me. No one is helping your rookie QB get better and they get actively getting him killed out there through sheer negligence it sounds like. 

13 minutes ago, CBDellinger said:

You just need to wait for it to load (10 seconds or so) after you paste it into the reply box.

DAMN that's bad. Frank too soft for HC. 

Reich was Nathaniel Hackett bad for us. Woof. 

3 minutes ago, The Natural said:

Yet it happens every single day. Have faith, we won't be in the cellar forever. 

You can look across the league. Bad owners get good coaches, most of them then stay out of the way for the most part ( publically ). Jags, 49ers, Browns, Texans, Bengals to an extent Cowboys ( they've had good ones ). The Cowboys have a meddling owner but get good coaches and let them stay until they can't produce ( except Jimmy Johnson ) and the WFT/Commanders get them from time to time and Snyder would mess it up. So its likely going to happen. When? Who knows, hopefully soon. Even if we get a guy who can only take us so far up, that is all we need right now. Our new John Fox. 

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I think what ultimately doomed Frank is that he wanted to take a slow approach, and maybe wasn't as hard on players as he should have been.

Now with that said, I don't see how anybody could win in an environment that encourages the kind of bullsh-t we're hearing about.

You do wonder if the bulls-t stemmed from the an environment Tepper set OR if by the time people felt like they had to talk to Tepper, Reich had proven he didn't know what the hell he was doing. Really Frank has never been shown to develop a QB and maybe they were sold that he could or at least would be able to create an ideal vision for a rookie. Sounds like Frank was in over is head from day 1. No Pederson, No Luck, No Rivers to bail him out. 

3 minutes ago, The Natural said:

Call me an optimist but I still truly do believe eventually we'll get it right. Tepper has obviously made mistakes but he's still relatively new to this. What gives me hope is he legitimately seems he has a desire to win and hasn't been afraid to throw money around in hopes of achieving that.

I think this is true just by the fact eventually he might even get it accidentally wrong. The one thing I will say, if a HC/GM starts getting wins, I don't see Tepper's ego driving a wedge in that. He wants a winner and once he has that he will let it ride. 

It is going to be interesting off season. What's the earliest we could expect a new HC and/or GM?

I hope the whole building is cleared. New coaches, new GM, new scouts. The whole deal. Tepper, don't you know the rule? Always have a fall guy. Don't take the heat for yourself get a team president and let him get jeered while the team builds itself back up! Then take all the praise when its finally right! 

4 minutes ago, Daeavorn said:

This is an interesting bit.

"Young’s difficulty understanding Reich’s offense,"

If Young was so smart and had such a superior grasp on football, what does this say for Reichs offense? Is Young not as capable in that area as we were led to believe?

Sounds like it was a poo offense that did a rookie QB no favors. 

 Hopefully Tepper see's that we need a little traditional staff building this time. We tried giving Rhule the keys to the franchise and be brought in all him bum friends. We tried to have Frank bring in different thought processes from around the league and meld them together. I like the "diversity in thought" idea on its face, and I do think it would have worked if we had a different head coach who wasn't so soft. 

I don't know how realistic it is but QB if our team has one ranked as a starter/potential franchise guy. If not it has to be the best linemen available O preferably but D would work too. Build the lines and things will start to fall into place. 

A good question would be : If there is a top ranked QB the team thinks is the guy that falls to late 1st round do you dare move up? 

Note : This is all under the assumption that I/We are comfortable with the decision makers next year ( Lets just say Ben Johnson and the GM from the 49ers ).