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1 hour ago, Davidson Deac II said:

I do think that coaches and fans tend to forget that each and every player is different.  Some, like Cam or Stroud adjust quickly.  Others don't.  If I was a coach, I would take the opposite approach.  Investing a number one pick would make me want to be more cautious and know throw him to the wolves.  

You can't trade 5 premium players for a guy then sit him.

That means he's not worth the pick. If we'd stumbled into the #1 pick on our own, then sure - but we didn't, we mortgaged our future for a QB that was meant to come in and win now. 

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

To you or anyone interested in Halaby, I'd suggest reading this article from The Athletic:

Paranoia, mismanagement and office politics inside the Eagles

Pertinent excerpts...

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Four weeks into the 2019 season, Doug Pederson sat down for his scheduled inquisition.

The Tuesday tribunals with team owner Jeffrey Lurie and general manager Howie Roseman were a weekly occurrence during Pederson’s five-year tenure as Eagles head coach. In the meetings, Lurie and Roseman questioned Pederson about all aspects of his game management the week prior. Fourth-down decision-making, play calling, personnel choices — everything was on the table.

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Days earlier, the team overcame a 10-0 second-quarter deficit to beat Aaron Rodgers and the Packers 34-27 and even its record at 2-2. The offensive key to the win was a steady dose of the running game that took advantage of Green Bay’s defensive game plan.

Apparently, that wasn’t good enough. Lurie, who has long advocated the use of analytics, wanted to know why Pederson hadn’t called more passing plays. The interrogation was the same after another win that season — this time in Buffalo on a day with 23 mph winds.

“(Pederson) was ridiculed and criticized for every decision,” one source told The Athletic. “If you won by three, it wasn’t enough. If you lost on a last-second field goal, you’re the worst coach in history.”

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Sources say Pederson was beaten down by the constant second-guessing. “They treated him like a baby,” one said.

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Alec Halaby, the Eagles’ vice president of football operations and strategy, has worked under Roseman since joining the team full time in 2010 and now runs the team’s four-person analytics department. The young executive with an Ivy League pedigree carries with him the kind of reputation that causes football lifers to scoff. And according to multiple sources, a rift grew between Halaby and some members of the coaching staff and scouting department.

“Within the building, he’s perceived as Howie’s guy,” said one source. “That’s a problem. … No coach wants somebody around who they think is undermining the perception of how well they’re doing.”

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To some, Halaby is something of an interloper. They say he carries influence with Lurie in part because of a close relationship with fellow Harvard grad Julian Lurie, Jeffrey’s son, who stands to one day take over the family business. To others, Halaby is “brilliant” and simply willing to fight for what he believes is right. The more nuanced opinion is that Halaby is in a “no-win situation,” boxed into a specific characterization by the non-traditional football background he shares with Roseman and a personality that makes him a “square peg in a round hole.”

The blurriness of Halaby’s influence on the final decision-makers created rifts throughout the organization and contributed to the iciness between departments. One source described the analytics team as a “clandestine, Black Ops department that doesn’t answer to anybody except the owner,” even though Halaby officially reports to Roseman.

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During the 2017 season, Halaby’s and Pederson’s relationship soured to the point where Pederson berated Halaby within earshot of the rest of the office, according to sources. In the opinion of some members of the coaching staff, Halaby was not to be trusted.

Frustration mounted on the scouting side as well. Rather than being presented with reasons for where certain draft-eligible players were rated by Halaby’s department, the scouting staff would simply be given a list of players the analytics department liked. According to one source, a top personnel official was upset to find out Halaby was grading players on his own despite never having been trained in the scouting department’s methodology.

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FYI: The author, Sheila Kapadia, was a longtime Eagles beat rider before joining The Athletic

LOL this is definitely our guy. Tepper will love him.

20 minutes ago, Basbear said:

dam shame panthers cannot trade with them...

Don't give Tepper any ideas.

23 hours ago, cardiackat88. said:

How many times are we going to way overpay someone, just for them to collect a check and the pretend to be injured?

Justin Houston playing in this game and I'm not sure why. He has like $7mil in money he fleeced from this organization.

I watched an interesting interview with Bischoff where he argued that the WCW talent wasn't actually getting paid more money - they were getting guaranteed contracts for less dates (than WWF was offering). 

Obviously once things started to go south that came to a head 'cos people were getting paid regardless of how over they were - WWF talent was still dependent on being booked (and booked high / on PPVs) to get paid. 

23 minutes ago, Steelo said:

No matter how it shakes out, one half of the GM/VP equation is likely going to be Dan Morgan.  They won't put 2 analytics types in the FO.  One is going to be analytics and one is going to be scouting.  UNLESS they take a liking to a guy like Champ Kelly and pair him with one of the other types.

Absolute insanity if Dan Morgan is here in February. 

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This season would've given them a huge recruiting boost and made them a prime time destination for portal kids. Saban's shadow was gonna loom huge over whoever took that job without him literally being there staring over their shoulder. I just don't see how that's gonna work at all.

ENSD is early December - most of the best players are signed up before the National Championship is played.

He's clearly not a very good recruiter. 

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Yikes. Yeah, not sure why he signed up for that after taking Washington to the national championship game.

It's the same concern I'd have going to the Seahawks with Carroll evidently staying with the organization a different role. That's gonna make for a weird dynamic.

Cos his Washington recruiting class is like #38 and they're returning 4 starters - dude is walking away when his stock is highest. That Huskies team is going to crater. 

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, I just don't see anyone with other options coming here to be micromanaged to death by Tepper and get saddled with his "super processor" QB. Not exactly an ideal situation.

DeBoer has just taken the Alabama job (and given a horrendous exit meeting to the Washington players) and confirmed that Saban will be 100% involved in everything... as Nick is sat in the front row of the press conference.

It's just not going to work.

Any aspiring GM / HC should say to Tepper "I'm going to evaluate the current roster and pick my own players. Addressing the elephant in the room, I'm going to bring in legitimate competition for Bryce Young THIS offseason". 

They won't, of course, because we'll be left with the GM / HC candidates that are desperate to make the step up and will acquiesce to the crazy owner's wishes. Just like Reich did, cos he was glad to be offered a job. 

Just now, Jaxel said:

Stafford is so dang good man.

Always was - just never good enough to put Detroit on his back. 

F'in ridiculous throw by Stafford.

Arm strength matters, guys. 

Just now, Mother Grabber said:

i’m over 50, and i’m not a boomer

People often miss out Gen X 'cos it's not as sexy to say as Boomer or Millennial. 

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

The sad thing is that Bryce's arm isn't any better than busted shoulder Cam's.

If we were a functional organisation the Bryce Young pick would have got the HC and the GM fired.

Instead they got fired because they couldn't make it work with the golden noodle-armed choir boy. 2024 is going to be awful.

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

It's just a take befitting of a stereotypical boomer. Hence why I said it's a peak boomer take. Because it is.

I'm a millenial and I think he worse awful clothes - but he has every right to do so.

1 minute ago, Anybodyhome said:

Hey, I'm a boomer and don't really care what Cam wears. I would be making a phone call, however, to see if he can still spin the ball and might he be interested in a job?

Unless he's had a shoulder transplant we know he can't.

Who is this #17 and why can absolutely nobody stop him?!

4 minutes ago, Panthercougar68 said:

I will say this about Johnson/Detroit...they invested heavily in the O line even prior to Dan and Johnson's arrival which gives me pause on Johnson on this Panthers team.

Honestly the HC won't make a blind bit of difference to this team until the GM rebuilds the roster. 

3 minutes ago, emhoward said:

Jordan Love has been great, but this is a coaching victory. LaFluer, if he wasn't already, now definitely a top 5 coach in the league. 

The Shanahan Tree has some great coaches man. 

K. Shanahan 

M. McDaniel

M. LaFluer. 

S. McVay. 

At this point I want B. Slovik over Ben Johnson. Who's apart of the same tree. 

I'm waiting for the day when the NFL figures out how to stop the Shanahan offence. 

Just now, ncstatekwi said:

Well this is Dan Quinn’s last day in Dallas and McCarthy may get fired!!! LMAO

I'd turn this tape on for any Dan Quinn HC interviews.

"Talk us through what happened here, Dan". 

Just now, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

Damn Jimmy Johnson that was cringe TV

You take that back, the man is a legend.

Just now, FuFuLamePoo said:

McCarthy is 100% gone which is brutal for us. Another team to compete with.

We were never getting the 'best' candidate. 

The roster is a mess. We have no QB. Our owner fired a guy after half a season. This is not an attractive destination for people with options i.e. Harbaugh. 

It's going to be about fit, which is why they should definitely hire the GM first and let him decide who his HC is, then get out of the way for 3 years and let them work. 

Our new GM should try and trade Young to the Cowboys - they clearly need a QB that can score against the Packers. 

1 hour ago, TheBigKat said:

All I know is Tua is a mental midget and I would be buyer beware to hand him a $50million a year contract

I don't think he's a mental midget, but he is very limited physically.

It'll be the death knell of that offence if they sign him up to a $50m a year contract. 

4 hours ago, Doc Holiday said:

Tua and Hurst aren’t flops. That’s just a silly statement

I've said for a while that the Dolphins are held back by Tua.

He simply doesn't have the arm strength you need in the modern NFL. 

1 hour ago, pantherclaw said:

The story on Bryce is not written. 

Am thrilled for Stroud and the Texans. 

I don't hold anything against the Panther decision making. They picked their guy.  They believe in him. I certainly haven't given up on Bryce.  

I know most will always compare the 2.  I have no desire to.  

Our teams problems this last season were much bigger than just our rookie QB. 

Define 'they', cos we've just sacked our HC and GM.

Do you mean Dave and Nicole?

Cristobal flipped a QB from the NFL. Impressive stuff.