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11 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Still think we should have gone center over RB. The weakest position on the line is the shortest route to the QB. We could survive without a new RB. We wont survive if we still dont know if BY is a franchise QB. All offseason was excuse after excuse about the oline not giving enough time and now we’re banking on a guy with 2 major lower body injuries in 2 years, a guy that’s never played center coming off injury, and a c/g that made Michael Jordan look competent. Add in the back up plan is 4 FA centers or a cast off that couldn’t make a roster. What could possibly go wrong? Being certain BY is our franchise QB is more important than a 1 contract RB?. 

If Young doesn't shine with the resources they've invested in the offence this season he never will.

$1gazillion on OGs, 1st round WR, traded for a WR, 4th round TE, 2nd round RB - like, damn, how many excuses does this guy have left?

28 minutes ago, KSpan said:

The problem is that the bulk of FA happens before the draft. Don't have the luxury of picking sheer talent and then filling gaps with top FAs. That doesn't mean people sacrifice significant talent based on need of course, but it makes the draft calculus that much more complicated. 

You fill every gaping hole on your roster with mid-tier FAs. If they get passed over by your Draft pick, so be it.

Teams always draft on need and it's bonkers. I've seen people clowning the Raiders for taking Bowers - dude is probably the best player in this Draft.

21 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

Not that I feel the Panthers are in position to draft ahead...although ideally you don't pass up a talent though you may have a starter. As much as I enjoy Hubbard, he shouldn't be the starter, despite his admirable efforts at taking it and holding onto it last season. 

I'd be a nightmare to draft against if I was a GM.

I'd use the Draft for what it's meant to be - an opportunity to acquire talent. You should take the best player on YOUR board at your pick.

FA is where you fill needs and holes - those players are much more proven commodities. 

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I honestly think it might be two more seasons. To me, Tepper is convinced that he is the guy and he is going to be stubborn about it. I know that sounds strange given how quickly he sours on coaches but consider that he almost always sticks with a GM at least a year longer than he should. Even after it is EXTREMELY obvious they need to be replaced. That's what I predict will happen with Young. He will get almost all of 2025, as well.

He was historically bad last season and all we've done is double down on him this offseason - so I don't doubt your reasoning 

On 4/27/2024 at 4:43 PM, rayzor said:

I think there's a few things they take into consideration (not exclusively or in order):

1) what he brings today

2) what he can bring tomorrow

3) is he coachable

4) does he have that dawg in him

I do think that the greater focus and weight, though, needs to be and probably is on 2-4 of those. What they can bring day 1 is important, but you've got to have a longer view than that.

We want day 1 starters (which is why I think some are pissed), but what's more important is that they are long term big time contributors.

I think they took the long term view with Wallace,  but I also think that we will see flashes of why he was taken when he was.

Which is what we saw in a the other LBs we've taken and who have taken on dominant roles over the years.

Thomas Davis was a frustrating (for fans) project initially because they couldn't decide whether he was going to be a safety or linebacker. Beason and Kuechly both started off on the outside.

Point is, they didn't start off in the role that they were initially planned for ...and it was ok. They grew into those roles.

Davis was literally drafted to be a Spy for Vick twice a year - they developed him from there. 

18 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

That was a rags to riches to rags story if I have ever seen one.  He got here and played behind Pat Elflein for a while and then got the starting gig and we loved him. Then last season they had him flanked by 7 different guards on each side of him and he struggled, so they cut him loose.  Musta been more to it than we know.  He would have been a decent backup.  Maybe not a good fit for the new offense?

He's not a fit for the blocking scheme they want to implement. 

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

Or some could see the talented class ahead of time.  Will they all pan out? Of course not, but when you have 6 guys drafted in the top 12 picks, that means it was loaded draft.  Teams didn't just grab a QB because they needed one.  It wasn't a case of impulse shopping in the check out line.

"Teams didn't just grab a QB because they needed one."

Also, Bo Nix taken 12th overall. 

Just now, chknwing said:

our 7th round pick is what it is but miami just took another wr. good lord

Speaking of the 7th round, 3 Canes taken so far

Brutal.

4 minutes ago, Shocker said:

James Williams from Miami is a huge safety although a move to LB seem probable 

He's not even a CFB level athlete at S. He'd be murdered playing S in the NFL.

He's also not a dawg. 

1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

A 6th round qb does it for you?

No. Hence why I said we've missed our opportunity to draft a developmental QB.

Just now, theinstrumental said:

If things ever get so bad that we have to get excited about a sixth-round QB pick, we should all just find a new team.

Who do you recommend?

Just now, Shocker said:

He is like robo QB in terms of measurables but he just isn’t a good QB at all.  Still this late…

Imagine him and Young doing passing drills side-by-side at Training Camp. It would be hilarious. 

Just now, rayzor said:

You didn't seriously think that was in the plans, did you?

Would have been nice to give the fans something to get excited about. 

No chance of us getting a developmental QB now.

54 minutes ago, Jmac said:

The team has done everything they could to help him succeed. MOST aspects of the offense have been upgraded. If he can't do the job with this group, then it's obvious he isn't the guy.

How far into the season does he have to prove himself?

He gets the entire season because they're not even tried to bring in competition for him. 

5 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

This draft feels like the RAS addiction is still lurking in the FO.

Just a lot of head scratching moves with better options available.

Oh well, such is the way of the Tepper Panthers. 

It is what it is.

I don't think they've taken BPA at each pick, which has lead to some reaching, but the 2nd and 3rd rounders are definitely football players who also happen to be hyper athletic. 

Legette - yeah, that's a strange one for me. 

7 hours ago, Kentucky Panther said:

Per usual, most of you hating on this kid have probably never seen him play. Hes the perfect outside linebacker for today’s defense. Needs to get stronger, but great instincts.  Especially in coverage. Hope it works out for us. 

We play a 3-4, he's in ILB in our system. 

8 hours ago, jb2288 said:

interesting, literally every weakness is coaching related. I guess they feel he didn't have good development at uk and they can provide it. He is Shaq's replacement, so he won't play much this year anyway. 

Which seems unlikely 'cos Kentucky coaches the heck out of their players.

Just now, MHS831 said:

Basically, we were going to take the RB this round.  We trade back, get a second rounder in 2025 and a fifth.  We trade up from 52 to 46 for two fifths. 

In other words, we added a sorely needed second rounder in 2025 for a fifth rounder in 2024.  We dropped a total of 7 spots. 

So once again we lazer focused on one guy and didn't react to how the Draft fell. Got it.

Just now, Bear Hands said:

We've got a new centerpiece RB

Coming off ACL surgery.

3 hours ago, PantherKyle said:

you are getting so mad for no reason. we just got bryce a nice new toy to employ in their new system under a new gm and coach. live a little and enjoy fandom. 

There's no anger in that post - this franchise has had 6 straight losing seasons and is bafflingly doubling down on an obvious QB bust. 

It's just like watching a car crash at this point. 

Just now, ForJimmy said:

Yeah it really messed us up getting the guy we were trying to get the whole time…

Worked out so well with Bryce.

9 minutes ago, dave-o said:

Is he a standout?

When he's on the field, yes. 

I mean at this point the rest of the NFL clearly already knows our Draft board - so it's a good bet this is how we want it to play out 

1 hour ago, Navy_football said:

Honestly, the oline upgrades are the biggest improvements to the WR corps. How many times was the QB hit at release and/or didn't have time to throw when he saw guys open? Inside pressure is kryptonite to every QB in the pocket. 

Very, very rarely.