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18 minutes ago, Shocker said:

His agent…

His agent: 

31 minutes ago, DrowsyJungle said:

There's another prior player GM doing really well these days on the west Coast. That's what gives me some hype. See what Dan has to offer. No sense being negative about it.

I mean the best GM of recent years was also a HoF TE. 

Doesn't mean Morgan will be good. 

3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's not even the numbers for me. It's the eye test. If his numbers were bad but he showed elite talent I'd be willing to have more patience but he just hasn't shown NFL talent.

It's both.

The eye test said don't draft him (small, noodle arm, stacked roster at Alabama). The measurables said don't draft him (5'10", 185lbs). 

We now have empirical evidence in hard and fast numbers that he isn't an NFL player - yet still they call for him to start next season. It's maddening. 

3 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

This is the most logical answer. Spend our resources on trying to create some sort of an offense. Then we can reevaluate Young and decide from there. 

But they HAVE spent their resources on trying to create some sort of offence.

FA signings in Hurst, Sanders, Thielen, Chark and a second round pick on Mingo. They were not bad players when we acquired them. 

3 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

To continue throwing QBs at this roster as a quick fix is insanity. Build a competent offense and reevaluate Young. Honestly I think Sanders might be the guy in the 25 class if it comes to that. 

It's insanity to run a guy out there that isn't an NFL calibre player at the most important position in professional sports.

The NFL thinks Andy Dalton is washed - he looked LIGHT YEARS better than Young in his one start. 

Young has had 16 games. To quote an amazing film: he has been weighed, he has been measured and he has been found wanting. 

I'm genuinely baffled that anyone wants to see anymore of him - albeit I was also genuinely baffled that we traded up and selected him. 

3 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Kind of disappointed Tepper didn't even get a interview with Harbaugh or BB.

I bet it's the other way round - neither Harbaugh or Belichick would give Tepper an interview.

5 hours ago, NYPantherFan said:

He was also the guy in the room telling Fitterer to be patient when it came to drafting DJ Johnson yet Fitterer decided to jump the gun and trade up for him.

I think he was probably one of the only voices of reason in the front office which might be why he's the favorite.

 

The only person in that room that should be retained is David Tepper - and that's 'cos we can't fire him. 

The last three Drafts have been catastrophically bad. The trades have been even worse. 

1 hour ago, Lemory said:

Compare our last 3 drafts to the Detroit Lions last 3 drafts and its clear to see just how important having a good GM is.

It's the most important appointment Tepper is ever going to make. Of course he'll get it wrong. 

1 hour ago, ncsu12engr said:

Bryce hasn't had enough time to know he's for sure a bust or not. Get a good coach with the right system in place and then see what he can do. This draft has a lot of possible QBs being drafted in the first round which will be great for us as less other positions will have been drafted at that point. 

He's had 16 games.

His stats so far are in record breaking territory (the bad kind). The only reason that's the case is because he was the #1 overall pick (that we traded 5 premium players for) and he was going to be run out there regardless of performance.

Any other QB performing that badly in NFL history has been benched. Yet some of you think we need more time to evaluate him.

He's clearly a bust. It's a sunk cost - Tepper should understand those. If we want to bring this franchise back to anything approaching respectability we need to hire a GM who plans for a future without Bryce Young starting this offseason.

1 hour ago, Ricky Spanish said:

So in your opinion they SHOULD waste more assets on another QB when they already have one under a rookie contract (That already cost us a ton of assets to acquire) as well as a proven vet starter who has a history of being solid and no first round pick this year?

That's some Fitterer roster building logic.

We don't have an NFL calibre QB under a rookie contract. 

Bring in a FA QB so we're at least competitive in 2024. 

I can't stomach another season like 2023 and judging by the 3/4 empty BOA neither can the season ticket holders. 

34 minutes ago, MGH1989 said:

Did this man just say it’s bonkers to design an offense around your QB?

I did as he's proven over 16 games that he's not an NFL QB.

22 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Baker Mayfield is a good example of how the system and supporting cast can make a mediocre QB good.  He was not good here with WR Moore and the OL was considered better than average.  The defense was good.  He goes to Tampa Bay, and leads them to a playoff berth and win.  They want him back. 

I think Bryce will improve with weapons and in a new system that will probably be designed to accommodate his skill set.   In college, Bryce was good (footwork) when he had time to throw.  The OL will get better when BC and Corbett return, and I think Ekwonu needs an offseason of work on technique and focus.  He had 10 false starts in 2023 and 4 holding penalties--all because he was not confident in his ability to block an edge rusher.  Mechanics will improve this. 

Will this be enough for Bryce?  We will find out.

Absolutely bonkers to design the offseason appointments around Young.

7 hours ago, MGH1989 said:

Per Albert Breer, he thinks Morgan is the odds on favorite to be GM and he will be paired with an analytics side guy as like a co-GM sorta set up.

Imagine drafting Bryce Young and then getting promoted.

Talk about failing upwards. 

Time to watch Mayfield poo the bed. 

Doesn't Zac Taylor call the plays in Cincinnati? 

16 minutes ago, scpanther22 said:

What QB do you think would play well behind that line?

CJ Stroud?

One that is tall enough to see over the iOL, has the arm to make every NFL throw and has the footwork to navigate the pocket. 

21 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

Your logic taken to its final conclusion results in firing literally everybody in the building. That’s not how any of this works. Ever. There’s always good people in bad organizations and vice versa.

But go ahead keep calling people idiots for saying “We don’t know so we aren’t stressing.” And yes, that applies to Buffalo too because we have literally no idea what to credit or blame Morgan for, that was the whole point.

Some of us choose to be in wait and see mode instead of mopey doom and gloom.

You also don't tend to sack your first year head coach 11 games into the season, or trade 5 premium players for a 5'10" noodle armed choir boy... so y'know, who knows how it works anymore. 

I think step 1 should be putting an NFL QB behind it.

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

and on the flip side, what we do know is what morgan thought of the roster going into the season, the decisions that were made going into the season and the evaluation of Young vs stroud.  Couple all of that with the poo draft we just had (All we heard was how good of a college scout and player personnel he is) then hes got to go.  He may be the best thing since sliced bread but still fug that I wouldnt be willing to gamble on that given the season we just had all things considered.  If he is retained as GM then that tells us all we need to know about tepper.

 

Burn this poo completely down tepper you dumb fug.

Sometimes the answer isn't on the roster (or in the building).

It should be a clean slate - including every single scout. 

3 minutes ago, Panthercougar68 said:

People have revisionist history around here but Beane was not wanted because “he worked under Marty” and wanted the outside guy and now we stomp our feet because “we didn’t keep him”

That same situation with Morgan is playing in the back of my mind but people are forgetting that Dan was successfully scouting with the seahawks and bills well before he came to Charlotte under Scott. 

So was he lying to our faces then when he said this roster was better than last year?

He's either disingenuous or incompetent. Neither are traits I want in someone working for the Panthers. 

22 minutes ago, Martin said:

"Hi Dan, welcome in. Ok, first question - explain to me the thought process behind trading 5 premium players for the biggest bust in NFL history".

I'm a Miami Hurricanes fan (a bigger one of those than I am a Carolina Panthers fan) and I have his Panthers jersey - if I'm saying he needs to leave and rebuild his career that's something. 

On 1/18/2024 at 3:27 PM, jayboogieman said:

Yeah, the trade was a huge mistake and cost way too much. As for Young being peaked, eh, he can add muscle and get stronger. He can also work on his passing and footwork to improve them. Young can't do squat about his height though. He's not going to get taller.

I'm not willing to call him a bust yet though. Let's see what happens after he has an NFL offseason strength and conditioning program and hopefully at least an average NFL Oline playing to their strengths. Now, if he still looks bad after that, then yeah, I'd say he's a bust.

He went to Alabama - their S&C programme wouldn't look out of place in the NFL. 

On 1/17/2024 at 9:59 PM, Wolfcop said:

Hard to argue with Shanahan. He has taken the 49ers far with mid level QBs

With a loaded roster.

10 hours ago, mav1234 said:

Dude hasn't had much success at QB since Brady.  Great coach but even a great coach needs at least a good QB to be competitive. Falcons lack that...

It genuinely must be killing Belichick that everyone now equates his success to Brady - and frankly it's difficult to argue otherwise.

Obviously a good HC, but without Brady he's never been elite. 

If he signs with the Falcons, good luck to them. He's 72 and his powers have clearly waned. It's not something that would scare me as a Panthers fan.