frankw

3 minutes ago, Mage said:

Nobody is asking you to root for him.  We (or at least I am) are asking you to stop derailing every single thread by bringing up Bryce Young.  Or feeling the need to put down someone any time they have a positive thing to say about Bryce.  Posters aren't allowed to say anything positive about Bryce around here without you (and some others, but mostly you) right behind them to tell them how wrong they are.

You do this constantly.  Even now with the "clownery" comment.  If people described your posts as clownery, you wouldn't appreciate it, would you?

And this isn't me saying that we shouldn't have negative takes about Bryce on this forum, so before you accuse of me of trying to eliminate negative posts about Bryce, that isn't the case at all.  However, to me, it is weird to come into a thread that was about highlighting our offseason/OTAs, and unprompted, you go into bashing Bryce Young.  There are at least 5 other threads on the first page alone where you could have trashed Bryce.  And you know this, because you have in all of them threads.

You're a smart guy from what I can tell but your disdain for Bryce has become obnoxious, even if you are right about him.  If a Bryce fan bombarded every single thread to talk about how good they felt he was, you wouldn't like it.  I know this because anytime this discussion happens you bring up "Bryce fanboys".  

Have I told you or AceBoogie or anyone to "stfu" for voicing an opinion? Honest question. I guess you simply conveniently missed that post btw.

Enough with this blaming others for every Bryce thread mess. I've made zero Bryce threads. I left yesterday and come back this morning and there are two different Bryce threads at the top of the first page going strong with replies. This isn't going anywhere with or without me. People here are grown and choose to create these threads read these threads and engage. If you don't want to deal with any of this then log out or stop refreshing threads.

Maybe I'll take a hiatus until the season opener on Sept 8th.

What do you think the over/under will be on the number of new Bryce Young threads and unrelated threads derailed into Bryce Young threads will be in my absence?

Let's give it a go.

4 hours ago, AceBoogie said:

You going to keep peddling this like it’s some victory lap for you. This a new year. Fresh perspective. Try it some time. 

New year? Fresh perspective?

You gave up on him. You threw in the towel.

Yet now you want to be the first and official word on how to root for him and the Panthers?

There's a word for this. Clownery.

52 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

It's just becoming spam.  Same take on every thread.  That's just where people getting annoyed with your "take" are coming from.  There is nothing wrong with your critiques as most are pretty accurate.  The ones that are laying low or hiding aren't taking the bait.  I think hopefully all of us at this point understand how you feel about our situation with Bryce.  You can scream it from the rooftops keep spamming it on repeat, but the trade was made and we have to get through another year regardless.  

I do not pretend to be infallible or without flaws. I've been wrong on things over the years. We all have.

Realistically most of what's been said here and on other Panthers fans social media platforms between the months of May and September for the last several years amounts to little more than spam. People drew lines in the sand over contentious takes on Bridgewater too. To the point of being asked if some people are really a Panthers fan over it. There will be reactionary spam during the season too particularly on gamedays. I've been reading these discussions on the huddle for 20 years. It's the same stuff rehashed the only thing that changes are the names in the front office the coaching staff and the roster.

Some fans might be best served to stick to the official team social feeds if they are burned out on all this. Nothing wrong with that either. Different strokes for different folks. We're all human.

As for the huddle. Honestly most of us post here out of habit. It's a habit hard to break. No different than the majority of the population that can't stop scrolling Facebook or X.

Basically.....

29 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I think the issue is there isn't any more of these posters still active on this site.  Everyone I see posting now either doesn't like Bryce or wants to see him in a better situation to make a better assessment.  I think everyone agrees he has work to do in order to show us he can become the QB we need him to.  Who knows if he will or if he can, but there are definitely other conversations to be had without being stuck on repeat and every thread turning into the same one.  It sounds like you need to find the Bryce Fan Boys from before the draft and just vent/hash it all out with them somewhere.  

Many of those posters are still around. The ones who compared him to hall of famers in this and other sports. They're just biding their time waiting to see if Bryce will suddenly turn into a great QB.

I think the way you frame it indicates the problem. It's either on one side people who as you put it "don't like him" (in most instances impossible to truly know on an anonymous chat board) or people who need to see him with stacked talent to form a conclusion after hyping up as a one man show a year ago. You say there are discussions to be had but if it involves anything remotely on the side of negative instead of the "everything is awesome" end of the spectrum it is met with talk of what some are now describing as a pathological need to be critical of him. As if the rest of the sports world doesn't have these same blunt discussions whenever he is mentioned.

If there were truly other more notable discussions to be had right now that haven't also been discussed endlessly we would be having them. We just had yet another uniform thread. Instead the top 2 threads dominating the front page for the last 24 hours since the first blueprint episodes dropped have revolved around the starting QB. That's just the modern NFL. Some people want to shoot the messenger over that because they don't like the banter that follows

18 minutes ago, travisura said:

I appreciate you spinning your pathological need to turn every thread into a Bryce hate circle jerk as some sort of preordained inevitability.

I think the people who contort themselves into a pretzel to act like the whole world is against Bryce just can't reconcile with the fact that none of this is any different than the discussions Panthers fans have had over any of the other failed QB's the last 5 years. Of course the *on field* difference is we didn't bottom out completely with any of those QB's.

Appreciate your kind words.

2 hours ago, travisura said:

There's no discussion anymore, it's just a circle jerk about how bad Bryce is, and it got old a while ago. 

The issue is he wasn't just bad. He was historically bad.

So yes if the Panthers put up a new blueprint video and conclude the first episode with footage of the same QB hopping in the air to heave a basic pass in OTA's in shorts after doing so throughout the trainwreck that was the 2023 season after hiring a coach specifically to "fix" him yes it's going to derail that thread.

35 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

You actually went on to prove my point!!!

Congratulations Franke sir. Have a great evening.  

Sounds like liquor logic to me.

11 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Pete ain't been right since he leaned on Wilosn and lost a SB. Great coach but still

He was very mistakenly trying to appease Russell Wilson. They both got what they deserved. The only one in that I felt remotely bad for was Marshawn Lynch. Without him they don't make either title run. He was the engine of that team.

1 hour ago, Basbear said:

Similar happened when Cam was here, he dominated the forum comments. It's the life of a #1 QB on the worst team. 

 

Plus while I don't have much hope for little bryce, I don't think Im ready to say he sucks. But it is a big year for him, the biggest in his career.

It's amusing that people take the time to login here and wonder aloud why anyone is discussing the starting QB we traded the farm to acquire in a thread about a Panthers behind the scenes series called Panthers "blueprint". There is no blueprint without a franchise QB. Yes he is and will remain a focal point in any and all discussions.

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

So we don't like fluff pieces and we don't like transparent pieces?  What is the answer?  Just no news or updates because people don't like that either...

There have been fluff pieces every year the last 5 years and we've only gotten increasingly worse.

Folks who enjoy this stuff should be and are welcome to consume it and have the right to voice their approval. Others that have begun to tire of the same song and dance and want to see the results in games also have the right to express that.

Until we see any meaningful and impactful quantifiable results in  actual games this is how it is going to go for the next few months. We are at this point due to ownership. People are just going to have to grit their teeth and wade through it for the time being.

1 hour ago, pantherclaw said:

Hmmm. I love being told what I think. You should play the lottery man. 

Ultimately we all want the same thing. We want our franchise to be a consistent winner and win the Lombardi, am I right? 

Then stop pretending that we're all that different.  We're not. 

My expectations for Bryce, that nobody including you ever mention the trade ever again unless it's, wow, this one worked out. 

That means he's more than Average. That he leads rhe way I know he's capable of leading. And producing in a way that all of us will be happy. I go into further detail, but it's more of less going to look the same as what you want from Bryce...probably more. 

Stop trying to tell me how I think or feel. If just makes you look stupid AF. 

Oh pantherclaw.......

Sir.

You yourself began this interaction with the following remark.

5 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

How bad Franke thinks Bryce is.

Now you have dedicated the bulk of a long winded post to as you put it "telling you how you think" and calling me stupid for doing so.

Being above average is the absolute floor for what I expect to see from him this season just an FYI.

Indeed we do want the same things. I'm not better than you and vice versa. We are Panther fans. That's it.

How about we just agree to disagree and call it a day? Good talk.

There is absolutely no love lost for me regarding the Seattle Seahawks. But if Pete Carrol is saying things like this about Canales I will certainly listen and put some stock in it.

I'd love to see Dave have a coaching run here like Pete has had. No matter how I may feel about their franchise more often than not he generally always had them competing hard regardless of circumstances.

8 hours ago, spydaman27 said:

Maybe he is speaking up for the future players, trying to improve things moving forwards. Over 1000 yards, that’s not luck especially when the qb you all hate was throwing him the ball. 

Since when is force feeding AT in the league's worst offense an accomplishment?

You do know he was ranked 101 in Avg yards per catch right?

Jonathan Mingo was 103.

What's the common denominator here?

For me it's not dead last although it isn't far off realistically.

I like a lot of the moves that have been made and I think so long as Morgan can draft well and Canales is holding down his end of the bargain in coaching on gamedays and keeping us ahead of the curve compared to the dinosaur head coaches of yesteryear we should be able to at least compete. What pulls down the optimism is the fact that we gave #9 absolutely zero push in the QB room. I really would have liked to see us take a flier on a QB with one of our late round picks. It remains to be seen if coddling Bryce will pay off but we do not seem to be learning any lessons in that area after the last several years that has been a revolving door at QB. Still. Despite what others might mistakenly insinuate I do have some hope. It will be even higher if we look good in preseason. Until then for me the rollercoaster that is life as a Carolina Panthers fan rolls on.

13 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

My expectations of bryce are actually higher. 

11 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

I guess that's the difference between you and I franke. 

I can place High expectations on a player and not talk down about them Every chance I get.

I expect to see significant improvement in his footwork his accuracy his deep ball and his performance in all 4 quarters of games. I also expect to see him out there trying to lead the team and bringing energy in moments where we might be trailing or not doing well. That trait is a very specific leading reason of why we drafted him.

In my POV the difference between us is my definition of expectation in this instance in relation to BY is based on real world data and where he ranked last season compared to his peers whereas your definition of expectation seems to be drifting into the fantasy end of the spectrum.

The issue here is that you have a distinct perception that discussion that does not revolve around Bryce Young basically being fitted for a gold jacket after it's all said and done means others must not be loyal Panthers fans. That's something you're going to have to figure out for yourself my friend.

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

1. Kalil

2. Gross

3. Turner

4. Wharton

Personally, Wharton is my most underrated OL of all time here. 

Travelle Wharton does indeed deserve more recognition. He was rock solid.

He hasn't been perfect. Some people have been hard on him in recent times due to all the turmoil along the OL. But he's firmly within the top 5 no doubt. And he's done that playing beside some turnstiles for awhile now. As much as we all love Gross and Kalil they had the benefit of playing beside capable linemen for the most part in their best years.

5 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

How bad Franke thinks Bryce is.

Do tell. How bad do I think he is since you are apparently a telepath?

I can tell you what the numbers say. He was 46th in passer rating for the season last year.

What do I want to see? Top 15 minimum in most important QB metrics. That is and should be the expectation for him or any other first overall pick. Do you agree?

14 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

 

My main takeaway.

Thank you Derrick Brown. Even in OTA's the man is on a mission.

5 minutes ago, CanadianCat said:

Man some of you guys are just killjoy's.

 

Like dude, we are 0-0 right now. Live life. Have some optimism, at least until the season starts. 

This is what the football discussion looks like about a team that regardless of the "new" season has had the worst win percentage in professional sports.

The heavily produced footage we are being fed does not change the circumstances.

If you've read my posts you'll know I've tried to be fair on the whole regarding the situation surrounding Bryce going back to the evening we drafted him. When the games started so did the clock and there were many things that occurred which did not and still do not bode well for the likely outcome of him becoming a great to elite QB. And unlike some people who tell others to stfu I have yet to declare Bryce Young a confirmed bust and I certainly don't need to go around creating threads saying such and then running and hiding over it like AceBoogie.

I want Bryce to be the guy. Most people here do. But that doesn't require one to be a drone only showering praise upon him. Furthermore this is what we are going to be dealing with for the next several months from other teams fans and the media so you should get used to it now.

If someone wants honest discussion and not an echo chamber this is the place to be. If someone wants to be a drone they should seek out the die hard Panthers sycophants on X.

2 hours ago, AceBoogie said:

You’re exhausting. Stfu

Take your own advice

https://www.carolinahuddle.com/topic/227686-i-hope-you-know-what-this-means…/

32 minutes ago, bandu said:

Bryce Young still out there hopping while all at the same time he was throwing the football is just brutal on the eyes to watch

The feels about Morgan his history our history and the words and energy from Canales had me riding high. Then at the 14 minute mark they finally get to Bryce Young and he's looking as small as last year despite the recent hopium about him "hitting the gym" via flattering camera angles and it immediately negated everything.

I think ultimately Morgan and Canales could be the right combo. But they need to be given the freedom to quickly change gears and move in another direction at QB if by midseason we do not see glimpses of elite QB play from #9.

18 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

 

I don't know what's up with the title must have been looking for clicks.

Early in the video some of what he's saying is in line with what we've seen. But he veers off into sheer fantasy territory when he starts talking about Bryce Young's downfield deep balls at Alabama. He had the worst deep ball by far between him Mac Jones Hurts and Tua. People want to talk Bryce Young but say these things and can't figure out why they are dismissed. People need to learn to discern what they hope for versus what's actually happened. Bryce Young has simply never been a consistently good deep passer at either level to this point. Even at his hyped pro day his deep ball was described as underwhelming at best. For a first overall pick!? It's always been there for anyone to see. Unless that changes he will not be a franchise QB in this league for any team regardless of the circumstances. That's what Canales has to get out of him.

16 minutes ago, pantherdad said:

Thielen bout to get cut 

Results on the field say he isn't wrong.