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At the end of the day we're all holding our breath in anticipation waiting to see if Bryce Young will look and play horribly to begin his fourth season just as he has in his first three seasons. No cherry picking obscure metrics or screaming about haters will change that.

Cam seems to be eager to put the onus moreso on himself and that speaks to his personal growth as a man. He even mentions that maybe he was too hyperfocused on wins and losses which is crazy to consider when you account for the fact that our culture was so pitiful when he arrived and 89 is supposed to be considered the ultimate competitor. While Steve leans on his unspecified trauma as his reasoning for how he was toward a rookie QB and other people in general which makes no sense whatsoever considering this is the guy who physically attacked his own teammates in his younger years.

The only positive if you could consider it so that I'm getting from Steve Smith in this convo is the fact that he is actually willing to speak about it with Cam. But he does not seem to want to recognize what he threw away at that time and the cost to both himself and the franchise.

He certainly seems to have a really good mindset for his age and the circumstances of his career trajectory early on.

Here's to hoping he can carve out one of the better long term Panthers WR careers especially considering he was undrafted.

1 hour ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

The one thing I did pick up on was Smitty wanted out the day Cam was drafted. He requested a trade. Sound like 3 years later, the situation was the same. So at the end of the day, while everyone thinks Gman did him wrong, and the way he was released may have been,  he may have also been doing exactly what Smitty asking for.  

If that's how it went down then I've lost what relatively minimal semblance of respect I had for him as a highly notable player in franchise history.

Because that whole situation is what led to him being so outrageously abrasive toward the team and specifically led to the "blood and guts" game in which he went out of his way above and beyond to portray himself as someone who was discarded like trash in the street in a callous manner by the team that drafted him while gleefully embarrassing us. When in reality it was he who wanted out from the jump in the midst of us drafting two of the greatest players in franchise history in consecutive years in Newton and Kuechly. We probably win the Super Bowl if he had kept his head together. I can't look at the guy the same anymore if this is true. Unconscionable selfishness. Stay a Raven.

Nobody save for one or two idiots actually wants Bryce Young to be a bust. But the blinders and bafflingly low standards people apply for a fourth year #1 pick are both comical and embarrassing.

Then you have folks complaining about what they claim is toxicity and then turning right around and being toxic while trying to claim the moral high ground. This is why the huddle will always be entertaining.

2 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Why, you have to ask, would PFF skew the stats in such a way to get Bryce at the top of a list. Honestly, they didn't. That's just how the stats shook out. Probably because Bryce took fewer deep pass opportunities than most other starting QBs, but on the rare opportunities he took, he did quite well.

And that fits in with what an unbiased eye might see out of Bryce and Canales right now... Developing starter QB, developing offensive identity. Which is probably what we have. You and I don't know the calls on each play. We can't see what Bryce sees (or can't see) from the pocket. But a group that watches and grades every play for basically every player looked down at their stat calculations and went: "Would you look at that? Who would have thunk it?"

Just because it doesn't fit into our own narrative doesn't make it false.

Here's the real data.

There's a hell of a lot of irony in folks who have spent years simping for their guy Bryce whailing about people being homers over Howell because of UNC.

I love to see how well the team has bounced back and responded with a physical game at home missing key players. Certainly encouraging.

Yeah if there's a silver lining in this it's good to see guys like PJ Hall getting real action.

9 games for their guys 8 games for our guys.

This after a game full of bad calls or no calls directly benefiting the Pistons.

And still we had multiple opportunities to seal the dub.

This situation has to make it clear to our franchise and specifically our roster that the league does not give a single fưck about us and we need to be wise in our reactions accordingly and not take anymore bait.

If teams are physical with us get physical back. Let's start by ceasing letting white dudes like Robinson roll right up to the rim with zero pushback. I mean for all the talk of Duren playing like a dirty bitch that's just pathetic and inexcusable. I'm all for talking up the team but these boys also need to stop playing soft.

I didn't expect the NBA to drag their feet this long. I won't be at all surprised if we get completely screwed over.

This is actually a really wise move.

Now let's see how serious the Panthers are about the QB room.

11 hours ago, HeelsPanthersCanes said:

This game was the exact reason I was pissed when the Hornets didn't trade for Jaren Jackson Jr.

Have been saying all year Moussa is going to get dominated by any center with any ounce of muscle and skill.  That was put on full display tonight. 

He didn't score, and had a -13 (+/-) rating.  Meanwhile, Duren was on his way to a 20 & 10 game and a +15 rating before Moussa got them both ejected to stop the embarrassment he was getting handed.

Detroit -2.5 was easy money. 

The Hornets should have been more aggressive about the Center position at the trade deadline.

Instead we're making moves like giving Connaughton another contract.

2 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

I'm not concerned about trades- as long as they have conviction for the player they are acquiring.  

Let's leave that word in the Scott Fitterer era.

Had many chances in this one. Bummer.

Coach got himself ejected too now.

That call was horrific though.

We're cooked.

It was nice while it lasted.

6 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

I was really hoping they'd try to get a big man in here for the playoff push. But it seems like the Hornets have been needing a big man for years. 

Funny thing is we drafted duren

Duren is the type of guy that if he's on your team you love him everyone else despises him but we need that kind of attitude on our team. Thanks to Jordan and Kupchak we gave him away for a dime and a few nickles.

1 minute ago, uncfan888 said:

This game has all the makings of the streak ender. They got away from what worked. Regroup and beat the Hawks 

I agree. But also probably time for some harsh truth. At what point is LaMelo who is supposed to be the engine of our team actually going to add some upper body strength? The Pistons aren't the only physical team in the league. We need to get much better in the paint if we ever want to compete in the playoffs.

Too much flash and hero ball in this one not enough team basketball.

3 minutes ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

Detroit has been asking for this poo the whole game.

 

Hopefully we get fired up and win this thing 

The Hornets have played some legitimately soft basketball at times in this one. They even let Robinson drive to the basket with virtually no contact.

Starting a brawl is just weak. Play better basketball.

Diabate has to be way smarter than this. Not only letting them physically bully you but now you are going to be ejected and probably suspended.

Charles Lee gotta have better control of his team than this.

Oh man.

Got a mini malice at the palace going on right now.

Nothing good about this.

Hornets let them into their heads. Can't do this.

Gonna be big time suspensions.

The Pistons are a physical team and all but I mean our guys are letting slim white dudes drive right up to the basket on em at home.

Idk boys streak might be ending tonight.