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47 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Nah. Bryce is better than Clausen.

He's at least capable of being a good backup. Clausen wasn't even that.

He's marginally better than Jimmy was in terms of production. Which is still a massive step down from our two best long term QB's in franchise history. Idk why people walk around on egg shells so much about this convo. If Bryce were a third round pick that played for a smaller school the perception would be completely different. As it is we find ourselves trashing anyone and everyone in order to shield him from criticism including our 8th overall pick. At some point we have to ask the tough questions. And just like with Jimmy we have to ask ourselves just how much better would the moving parts within the offense be with a more capable less limited starting QB.

22 minutes ago, Super Grateful said:

Neither are limited physically both have elite NFL arm talent.

12 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

Jimmy Clausen was so bad this isn't even worth talking about. As middling as Bryce has been, Clausen was just bad man. Not to be confused with a bad man. 

Listen man. I don't want to be rude. But I have to be very direct here. You are not dealing in realities.

Here is the reality.

It took #1 overall pick Bryce Young who was billed as a generational ball distributor 19 starts to surpass UDFA Kyle Allen's passing yardage from 2019 over the course of 13 games.

Bryce Young is not favorably comparable to any other former Panthers QB expect Jimmy Clausen. It is what it is.

Some people think they know what a game winning drive looks like. Others actually know.

I've seen Cam Newton do it against Drew Brees while both were in their primes with the division on the line.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/331222029/saints-panthers

Game winner to JAG Domenik Hixon.

The people who complain the most about negative Bryce Young convo create just as many new threads about him as anyone else.

1 minute ago, KaseKlosed said:

Young's early 2025 surge (top-5 league-wide in clutch EPA at 0.28 per dropback) not only outstrips the debuts of Newton (2 in 2011) and Delhomme (1 in 2003) but hints at him climbing this list quickly if the Panthers sustain their wildcard hunt. Data underscores his growth: no other Panther QB hit 4 GWDs before Week 10 in a season.

Take thinly veiled swipes at our two only long term starting QB's in 30 years just to prop up Bryce Young while wholly omitting the historic rushing from the engine of our offense Rico Dowdle.

We are 30th in passing YPG btw.

There is being optimistic and then there is just being plain delusional.

Just now, Super Grateful said:

The Bills would have still scored on our defense but Bryce would have absolutely played better and put us in a better position offensively than Dalton. If you can't admit that, then you are way too far gone and stuck on that hill to reckon with. 

Bryce would have extended some plays scrambling with his legs but then again he also has a high number of fumbles so you never know what you're going to get and the way the Bills were getting after Andy (sacked 7 times) it stands to reason Bryce would have been under duress often. What exactly do you want here? I mean I'm going to go by the gameplan I saw after Bryce turned the ball over against GB. Clearly Dave Canales was deliberately trying to limit the opportunities for him to make a catastrophic mistake. And didn't Micah Parsons log zero QB pressures? So with that in mind if you are asking for anyone to argue our offense with Bryce would have had much if any success against that opportunistic motivated Bills defense while we were also splitting carries between Rico and Chuba who had the majority of them which ended up being a situation resulting in a weeks worth of scathing criticism and deservedly so then I'm going to just have to say we can agree to disagree.

GB had interest did he already have a workout with them yesterday?

Certainly kick the tires. But maintain low expectations.

3 hours ago, 33inNC said:

It really is pitiful. These guys have no motivation to actually play an just want to get paid. Hint- If you cannot stay on the court, you don't deserve max money. 

I guess the joke is on us for expecting any differently. 

Best thing I can say about the Hornets currently is we do have more promising young talent in the event of Ball or Miller missing games.

But the culture remains the problem. When the leaders of the team are quick to take games off eventually that is going to translate to the rest of the roster even the younger guys. What's their incentive to keep grinding you know?

Anywho. We lost to the winless Pelicans last night. Doesn't get any lower than that.

20 minutes ago, Super Grateful said:

Bryce wasn't playing against Buffalo. 

Are you insinuating we haven't gotten blown out while Bryce was starting?

https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/401547629/panthers-jaguars

10 minutes ago, Verge said:

I try to avoid twitter tbh. I check it maybe once a week. 

I think there is a large difference between "doing cartwheels" and "every other thread is doom and gloom and whining toxicity". 

Not built for this team that I have been a fan of for 24 years is certainly a conclusion. I have a Jake Delhomme poster up in my room. 

Then you should know what the huddle looked like through the Jake years. It was not sunshine and rainbows I assure you.

If and when the team can string together consistent competitive football games the rest of the season and not get completely blown out again then you will see less negativity. If the team can somehow compete for the division which we haven't done in many many years then you will absolutely see more positivity. But that's a tall order. Right now we're on a 1 game win streak. That's the best we can say.

3 minutes ago, Verge said:

I am always here lurking. It's sort of miserable here if I am being honest. Not much motivation to post regardless of results given the state of this forum. 

1 minute ago, Verge said:

Like for fugs sake, we just had the biggest upset win in almost a decade and there are EIGHT threads bitching about how bad Bryce is on the first page. It is depressing. 

This is not even scratching the surface of how toxic broader social media is. Don't you frequent Twitter? No shameless grifting here.

We had a big upset win the week after we got taken to the woodshed by the Bills and our offense was largely willed by another historic perfomance from a running back we signed in free agency.

I mean if you expect nothing but people doing cartwheels and having parties you're probably just not built for this team. The biggest thing in the back of everyone's mind even if they won't admit it right now is this is still the Carolina Panthers and even when they play well we're still left waiting to wonder when not if they will lay another egg. If you lived through the Jake Delhomme era this shouldn't have to be explained.

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3 minutes ago, Verge said:

Are we really to the point of comparing Bryce to Jimmy Clausen? Lmao 

You've largely served as a key source of Bryce Young propaganda so certainly no one here expects you to acknowledge difficult truths.

Hope things go well for you on your next lengthy hiatus we all know you'll be taking soon. God forbid you actually show up when things aren't going well.

2 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Yards yards yards

jfc, some of y’all sound like when other fanbases used to say the lack of passing yards by Cam means he isn’t a good passer.

Cam Newton was a rookie of the year and MVP and had one of the best arms in the NFL in his prime. He passed the eye test in spades. It is unbelievably comical that you chastise me for mentioning Bryce has similarities to Clausen and then you just invoke Cam Newton like that makes any sense to a rational observer whatsoever. Even Cam Newton with his questionable at times accuracy is a whole world away from where we are now with a #1 pick 38 games into his career being amongst the bottom in the league in multiple key statistical metrics.

Considering the circumstances TMac has been very impressive for a guy only 9 games into his career.

I'm unsure about the TE room but at least we have young players we are trying to develop instead of just trotting out guys like Ian Thomas.

There will be ups and downs but let the development continue. That's all I've asked for this season. Anything else is a bonus.

1 minute ago, Car123 said:

Jimmy Clausen? Get out of here with that comparison.

Yards per play they are comparable. And that's a rookie Jimmy Clausen while Bryce is 38 games deep. The only difference is Bryce Young has decent legs. You don't have to like it. But it's reality.

50 minutes ago, rmoneyg35 said:

before anyone says Bryce can’t throw the deep ball, explain what he did at Alabama? He can throw a ball deep. Why do you think he was a first pick and top qb prospect?l

https://www.carolinahuddle.com/topic/478982-our-2nd-most-productive-wr/?do=findComment&comment=6953378

LaMelo Ball out for tonight's game against the Pelicans.

So far nothing has changed with our two best players availability very early in the season.

Sad.

What a pitiful QB room.

If it works great. But they are just one game removed from getting the doors blown off at home.

14 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

Bryce is lightyears ahead of Jimmy.

Bryce Young career passing yards per attempt: 5.8

Bryce Young passing yards per game in his third season as a starter: 173.8

Jimmy Clausen career passing yards per attempt: 5.3

Jimmy Clausen average passing yards per game in 2010: 119.8

He's a high end Jimmy Clausen it is what it is man. His yards per play within an offense that relies on others are within the same threshold. You can win some games with him when everything is going right and other moving parts are carrying the burden. But that is not worthy of a #1 pick and you absolutely have to keep looking.

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Accurate take...

The whole "we won in spite of our starting quarterback" line is just dumb. Hell, people used to do that with Delhomme too.

Reality is you either do enough to win or you don't. This past Sunday, he did.

Honestly, at this point I think we have some folks (especially some of the old Cam bros) who are so scared of Young succeeding that they'll try and deny anything good about him. It's silly and it's useless, but I guess some guys can't help themselves.

I don't think Young is the future, but that doesn't make it valid to try and discredit anything good he does. It just makes you look goofy.

Bryce Young is not Jake Delhomme. In any capacity. They don't belong in the same conversation.

If Bryce is in line with any Panthers QB it's Jimmy Clausen.

9 hours ago, KaseKlosed said:

You could go root for a team you actually like instead of using the board as a weekly complaint session. Dont like the team go find one you like. We are tired of your negativity 

You keep on acting like the police if it makes you feel better bub. We'll be right here like we always have.

44 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

Yeah, the guy who made a thread at the beginning of the year bragging about betting against the Panthers in every game is going to be the fan police now

It's the fickle ones who always have the most to say about what they think a fan should or shouldn't be. Comical.