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I don't think he's coming back to the NFL but if he does he wants full control that's probably why the Vikings balked last year.

11 minutes ago, Waldo said:

The AFC S (?) says hello lol.

Anyways, I don't want to trade up for a QB. I'm fine where we are and I'm not in love with the top 2 guys, not yet at least. I am so not bothered by the record or pick placement at this time. My favorite NFL QBs were not picked before pick 5, that is usually where overrated school QBs and media darlings go. Get a great offensive coach and then let's talk about which QBs he likes. 

Okay the AFCS is neck and neck lol. I'm kinda iffy on the OC turned head coach now after other failures but I still think we need to turn over every stone looking in that direction. I honestly lean going with a candidate with head coaching experience built in and I would not doubt if that's the route Tepper goes this time after being burned so badly with a college hire. We'll see. At this point I'll take take any QB's not named Darnold or Walker. Just begin anew.

4 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Those picks potentially could have helped us to move up for a franchise guy if needed and still not deplete our draft capital.  See how that works?

 

And I agree 100% about darnold.  Let him be some other teams headache, ive seen enough of him

4 hours ago, Waldo said:

One 1st and 3 2nds should have ended up with a QB and a DE at the minimum in that situation. Hell that's without touching the future first. Add in cap savings and throw in a FA QB and Dlineman. CmC was a good trade, I hate his dead cap next season more than anything.

I want to see a drafted QB and a vet who is cheap warm body with very low expectations. No big trades and no large FA QB contracts would be a solid try for me. I agree about the TEs being valued more, I'm not happy with that room either.

I hear ya'll. But if we hadn't once again won those games that ultimately didn't matter we wouldn't need to try and trade up anyway. We ended up getting slapped down by 45 year old Brady in probably the worst division in the league when we could have had a top 3 pick minimum. Same old Panthers.

1 minute ago, stbugs said:

Well, until we get back to winning more than 5-7 games a year, there’s not much to talk about except how do we improve the team. 

That's why my biggest concern is what they do with QB. While you guys are still mad about this I'm hoping nobody who makes decisions for this team shares even a slight agreement with some of the loonies here that think Sam Darnold is serviceable now. I want the whole QB room replaced and this team needs to get back to the days of emphasizing the TE position more.

Sounds great for anyone seeking a new HC but I would be shocked if they actually did it.

5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

You just proved my point. 

I think you stbugs and the Steelers fan have gone daffy honestly. But keep thinking you're right

6 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Why did we trade cmac?

When you guys say stuff like this that's when folks look at you funny. You don't pay running backs big money it is a devalued position. You simply cannot compare the value of a pass rusher to that of a running back now.

34 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Considering you can replace Burns AND improve another position with just the money you would overpay Burns, the picks are bonus. A big bonus. And what’s the difference when they are as far as the team is concerned. First rounders will have value until they are used. If you’re trading up for a QB, those future firsts have way more value than a 2nd or 3rd this year. And pick 37 is about as close to a first as you will get. 
 

   What’s your next deflection point? This is fun. 

Trading Burns is a rebuild move and you are not going to get Reddick or any other premium FA pass rusher to commit unless you overpay. For many free agents playing for a contender is also a part of their decision making process. Yeah you still have guys who will take a payday on a bottom dweller but pass rushers have more choices given the need around the league. They aren't going to be in a hurry to hitch their wagon to the rebuilding Panthers. You keep saying pick 37 like that's such a big bargaining chip. If you want to move up for a QB firsts are all that matters. But if you're the general manager of a team needing a young promising QB on a rookie contract are you going to pass up staying put and taking the quarterback you're targeting for the 37th pick or a 1st two years from now knowing your job is on the line right now? Scott Fitterer is not the only NFL GM without the benefit of time to waste. Everyone wants to win now.

11 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Maybe someone would. Wouldn’t be me. I’ve been here 4X as long as you and have predicted so many things about the Panthers, correctly, it’s almost scary. The evidence is all on here. Most from a time you didn’t exist. 
 

So you think that they will get a similar offer for Burns again. That is not happening. He’s a 16M DE now. Not a 4M one. Who is going to have to be signed to a huge extension. That extra first and second are gone. Best they will get is a first, and even that’s debatable. 

Congratulations on your many very big achievements here sir I should never have questioned your status. Back to Burns. If the Rams had a first in this years draft and that was included in the offer then Scott Fitterer probably pulls the trigger. That's what this always circles back to. What is the value on a first round pick one year two years or three years from now? Seems to be anything but settled opinion.

Just now, Toomers said:

There it is. Like clockwork. Any dissenting opinion brings the “why are you here” whining. 
 

And who said Burns is average. Saying he deserves 16-18M/yr instead of 25M doesn’t scream average. It’s just where he fits with other top pass rush specialists. No one I’ve compared Burns to is average. And as I stated, Reddick is an EXAMPLE. There are many others who have signed similar deals to what Burns should get. 
 

  Now stop deflecting and tell me why overpaying Burns is better than 25-30M/yr and two 1sts and 37th pick this year. Those Steelers found a replacement for Bud Dupree pretty quick with the 102nd pick. And he’s better than Burns already. 

Oh cmon. If I were on the Steelers boards telling them their business about their players surely someone would ask me the same thing. I'm not in favor of overpaying Burns I'm in favor of applying perspective in that his value remains high and there will still be options down the line if we deem his contractual demands beyond our comfort zone. We always have options.

7 minutes ago, Toomers said:

I’m saying you are downplaying his value with those statements. Which is what their intention was. Right? 
 

 You remove one DE(Burns) and there’s enough money to get a pass rush specialist like Reddick, Smith Judon…etc AND a solid 3 down DE on the other side. What are you putting over there with a 27M/yr Burns? Still the same hole to fill with less money and 3 less quality picks. 
 

  Would Reddick have stayed to play for his college coach who gave him the chance in 2021 that no one else would. Who knows? It’s irrelevant. There are many others that have signed similar deals in the last two seasons. Reddick is an example of a player similar to Burns. Except no one wants to pay him 25M for …..reasons. 

  The only hypothetical scenario tied in knots here is the “we should overpay him because” theory that somehow believes Burns should be paid like Bosa, Watt and Garrett. And turning down 3 quality picks is the price to pay him. 

I said his numbers would look different with less help and they would how much is where the debate begins and ends. Even if we did sign Reddick early in the year I would have to look back at our cap space to see how that works out you still have to convince him of your plan after you pull the rug out from under him by trading away Burns mid season. And why are you worried about what you perceive to be downplaying Reddick when the entire basis of your position on this rests on the fact you think Burns is average at best? Again. Knots. I'm perplexed why a Steelers fan is even posted up here wasting keystrokes on Brian Burns. Shouldn't you be somewhere hyping Kenny Pickett? Thanks for the banter.

And no offense but I shudder when people say anything is super easy with this team I've learned my lesson after many an offseason full of hope and optimism where we declared ourselves early winners for moves we've made which then evaporated into nothing. We can sit here all day making plans but there is no easy button with this team.

1 minute ago, Martin said:

I think you are missing the point. It is super easy to replace Burns. You can easily draft an equivalent player in the end of the first round

Is it? If it's super easy to replace him why did a team that just won the Super Bowl offer us a haul everyone is still angry we declined?

8 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I think its a sign they will be drafting a DB at some point next draft. 

If we take a corner earlier than the third round then oof. I want OL QB TE I'm tired of an offense that hangs their hat on scoring a measly 21 points.

Just now, Toomers said:

Reddick had 12.5 sacks in 2020 with ARI. Who were their talented players that were the reason for that?   

Are you suggesting I'm saying Reddick isn't good on his own? Because that's not what I said. I said he can't do it all. That's why the Cardinals finished 8-8. The issue we keep coming back to is you remove one DE and replace him who are you putting opposite him? The goal is to win and make the playoffs not build for 2 or 3 years from now. And with that in mind back to Reddick. He wanted to win that's why he went to Philadelphia. If we had talked him into staying and proceeded to trade away Brian Burns that's a good way to make him disgruntled. You're kind of tying yourself in knots with your hypothetical scenarios tbh.

Between Jackson's contract and a top ten pick for Horn we've got an awful lot of resources tied up in the secondary. When the guy we got from the Jags for a third round pick is the lone man standing to finish the season that says it all. Maybe it's just bad luck. Or... maybe it's a sign of things to come.

I was in favor of retaining Reddick but you could make the argument his numbers would be looking fairly different with only Derrick Brown on our line to help him out consistently. The Eagles are damn good due to the talent they have around him too. He was also vocal about his frustration with the team by the end of the 2021 season. He wanted to move on.

12 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Not sure what you did to him but he’s a big fan of me!

He's just still salty about Matt Rhule getting canned. He had his receipts on everyone who said Matt Rhule wasn't the guy ready to make them eat crow and then...poof.

@poundawayMust be having a bad day.

15 minutes ago, dave-o said:

Unpopular opinion....  I am amazed at the drama of this whole situation...  In the real world life and death happen all the time on the job...  Its a good thing nurses, emergency personel, law enforcement, and military dont need all this drama after every unpleasant incident...  Hope the dude makes a full recovery but come on.....

I can see what you are saying from a social media standpoint but it's just basic human empathy man it doesn't cost you anything.

3 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

He didn’t start the thread.   And it’s not really venting just pointing out yet another way this franchise cannot get out if it’s own way.   We make costly mistakes after costly mistake without any semblance of a plan.  Trading cmac and then not trading burns is exhibit a.  

I can agree with some of this because I am not at all sold on Fitterer. But the McCaffrey haul for a player that plays a devalued position was a no brainer kind of move. Burns will command  significantly more now or later pass rushers are 1B to the 1A of franchise quarterbacks in terms of worth for the most sought after positions in the NFL now. This isn't over just let it play out.

9 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

Look the honest to God reality is someone who states they are a casual fan, that they don't watch all the games and openly state they are going to watch another team on Sunday shouldn't have lord and dominion over people who have been diehards since day 1.

You love a certain San Francisco 49ers player more than you do some current Panthers. Give it a rest.

Looks like Ron will be getting the axe again. Matt Rhule made all that money and still went 0-2 against Rivera. I'm kind of interested to see how it goes for Howell. By Sunday evening someone here will be doing damage control. Should be amusing.

46 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Lol. It happened, not angry

Yeah okay. At this point you'll still be venting about the Burns trade that never happened on your death bed.