frankw

7 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

No one should believe any reports from now until draft that claim to know what people "inside the building" are thinking.  

It's Will Kunkel. He as much credibility as the average huddle poster.

16 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

You're so easy to rile.

Oh no honey. I have not yet begun to defile myself. The offseason just started there's plenty of time.

Will Kunkel is the source?

13 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

By the time CMC hits 30, I absolutely expect him to be a full time Slot WR, maybe take the occasional hand off like Deebo has done the last few years.

If the Niners decided to make him a full time Slot WR next year, he'd immediately be one of the best players out of the slot in the league, behind only the likes of guys like Kupp, Lamb, etc, the stud WRs who already play the slot almost exclusively.  

That has been the fallacy of everyone who wanted to trade him because of his position and contract, as his contract for an elite Slot WR of his caliber would be a steal.

Considering what they gave up for him in the trade and his contract I would be very surprised if they did that this early. That removes a significant part of what makes his game special by removing the attention he commands from defenses across the field. If he's still doing that at 30 you also have to account for one of the first things to go being some of that speed. Time is undefeated. Just ask our last franchise quarterback.

6 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

And that we'd trade him away and watch a team use him properly and him finally not get bad luck with freak injuries and we'd watch him dominate for the next decade, particularly once a team moves him into the slot full time once he hits 30ish.

He takes a lot of hits still and the average shelf life of running backs has been pretty clear. He also has a great deal of usage from both Stanford and in Carolina. Expecting him to play well into his thirties in peak form is fantasy.

4 hours ago, heel31ok said:

Its ok beenn through it before.wont say I told ya so,but...

It's a crapshoot anyway keep swinging until you hit.

20 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

Who is that talking to you? He has a cool watch.

McCaffrey fans are the new Cam fans. No years of complaints from you this go around though. Only confirms what we knew then. Enjoy your day big guy.

7 hours ago, panthersphan said:

Should've never traded CMC. Anyone saying it was a win trade for the Panthers is either clueless or a homer (or both)...

Just imagine what an incoming offensive minded head coach could do with CMC here... 

 

Are we gonna even resign D'Onta? Or try and fill that void via free agency or the draft? I mean there are some names in FA but we'll never be able to find another CMC. 

Do what just about every other team in the NFL is doing. Draft one and keep building the oline there will be holes for any back worth their salt to run through.

2 hours ago, heel31ok said:

Will have to wait til at least next year for that.

You might want to but the front office has other plans and the clock is ticking.

5 hours ago, Mike2.0 said:

How many head coaches faced what Reich did in Indy?

After year one they were optimistic because they had Andrew Luck and had made the play offs. What does Luck do? Retire in preseason. Not the off-season when it gives the team a chance to draft, trade for, or sign a replacement quarterback - but retire in the preseason. So in year two he gets stuck with Hoyer and Brissett, good luck winning big with one of those guys as your quarterback.

Year three? They sign Rivers and return to the play offs. Once again Reich is kick down low because his quarterback retires. At least Rivers did it in January. So three years into the job he’s had two quarterbacks retire on him. What does his GM decide to do? Trade for a reclamation project in Carson Wentz… when that failed what did their GM decide to do? Trade for another short term fix in Matt Ryan. 

It honestly bewilders me how their GM has kept his job and Reich has been fired. I don’t recall any other coaches having to deal with five different starting quarterbacks in consecutive seasons. If anyone failed Indy it is their GM by not fixing the QB position, and that’s before his hit and miss drafting and free agency signings are considered. 

All of that aside, I do agree that we need to stay with the times and not get stuck in the old ways, but at the same time we can’t rule out experience like Reich. He’s a good coach and has done a good job as an OC in the past. I think he’d be a good appointment as OC under Wilks.

Like I said he definitely got a raw deal. No argument about Wentz they have some very poor management in the front office. Jim Irsay say no more. But he's 61 so the most you're going to get is a couple seasons. My biggest thing is seeing some real innovation. We have basically a void at TE the position is a complete afterthought most games. Wilks is a really big gamble no different than any of the coordinator to head coach first timers would be. And the thing with Wilks is he's making some of the same gaffes Rivera did early on punting instead of going for it kicking field goals when the game is slipping away. We just don't need a rerun of this and if it happens and one of these other coaches go on to have success this place is going to be very unbearable. I just hope we get this right.

1 hour ago, MechaZain said:

@frankw you're not wrong but glossing over San Franciso's success after the trade while pointing to ours is where you lose me. Our success since the trade is just proof that we're stuck in an ancient offensive scheme not that CMC is overrated.

This team is conservative to it's core and tried to fit a non-traditional player into a traditional bellcow RB role. He's an undersized back on a team with a weak offensive line and they were treating him like Le'Veon Ball. He's underwhelming and not worth big money in that role. They correctly recognized his talent was worth it but wrongly bet on the coaching figuring how to make him work for us. 

The organization is trying to evolve now on the coaching end and the o-line is much better. With luck, the next regime will be the type that could actually take advantage of a player like CMC but it probably would have been too late had he stuck around. It was good for both sides that we parted ways when we did.

 

Not glossing over them. SF was a good well coached team before the trade and they are better now. As a pass catcher McCaffrey is not overrated he's always been pretty lethal in that role. The question is like with us when we were making McCaffrey the focal point becomes is that sustainable? You've got a guy running catching and throwing? Certainly impressive. Will it knock off the best teams in the league? We'll see. The NFL always adjusts eventually and if playoff teams shut some of that down the stakes change. We've seen it ourselves. What the Panthers need is a more versatile offense we've gotten a peek at that with some very mediocre at best QB's and not fantastic coaching. We are not far off from competing. Get a better offensive staff in here and a talented young quarterback and we are cooking.

32 points from LaMelo in a 10 point loss and our young center we just drafted never even left the bench. Even if we get Wembanyama Cliff is just going to let him rot on the bench.

8 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

My argument was that Carr, while better than Darnold, isn’t worth $35 million more per year. I stand by that.
 

Give me Darnold for two years, $10mil over Carr for two years, $80 mil. Just imagine the other talent we could acquire with that $70mil over that span. 

In that scenario pass on both and draft your QB.

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

It was always official.

41 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Winning and losing are a team stat.

Good to know we've made this official after ten years of complaints about the fashion sense and showboating from a certain quarterback who definitely should have dove on that fumble.

5 minutes ago, Basbear said:

You have a nightmare with reich as OC?? 

I think hes one of best options for OC, in the current market......if not for the jets being the old jets and axing lafleur, id say hes the best. 

Moreso a Wilks/Caldwell combo. Reich is better but not by a wide margin. He may have gotten a raw deal in Indy but he was a part of that mess on offense we can’t totally dismiss it. I'm just of the opinion we don't tie ourselves to aging coaches that are being left behind by the changing NFL.

2 hours ago, UNCrules2187 said:

Agreed. I think if Wilks is the guy, I would not at all be surprised if one of Caldwell or Reich ends up being the OC in Carolina.

Sounds like a nightmare scenario tbh.

5 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

You are right. Racism is racism. No need for a reverse moniker.

I've seen plenty of takes from you in the past downplaying legit examples so I'll just say your insinuation here rings hollow at best. Hiding behind Katt Williams is beneath you.

After seeing the results of the Wilson and Watson trades so far there's no way the Raiders are going to find a trade partner they will have to cut him.

12 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

There's a reason why he was considered the 'face of the franchise'...he was the closest thing to a superstar we had, and the most universally respected player across the league, media, etc.  So looking at a team coached by Matt Rhule and quarterbacked by guys like Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, PJ Walker, and Teddy Bridgewater, and singling out CMC like "that's the guy who shoulders the blame for our 5-win seasons" is just odd to me.  Whether intentional or not, you and frank are deflecting blame from the real culprits like Rhule who do warrant the brunt of criticism for these 5 win seasons.

It's interesting to see the shifting narrative about certain players.  If you like the player, then it's "we failed ________ and didn't put a good team around him".  If you dislike the player, then it's "look, we only won X number of games with _______ - he couldn't even put the entire team on his back and will the team to the playoffs by himself".

 

First off come on nobody is giving Rhule a pass the man is despised across the Carolinas. We also had 5 wins with Kyle Allen and CMC before Rhule got here. You can't make an RB the face of your franchise and expect to compete for championships. You don't put a good team around a running back you identify your QB and then you put a good team around that guy. We signed CMC to a historic deal with no quarterback. It sounds so ludicrous it bares repeating. We signed a running back to an historic deal before we even had a starting QB. Some fans wanted McCaffrey to be more than he was. They talked about him as if he were a quarterback. Well he wasn't. The 49ers are doing so well because they went out and got Jimmy Garropolo then they traded up for Lance and even after all that they still drafted Brock Purdy for due diligence. Meanwhile we had fans here who were about ready to have a parade when we signed McCaffrey to that contract extension. Well... reality bites.

I have to think with a new staff on the horizon we'll have a kicker competition. Pinero got a ton of a grief from that game just like Slye Gano and Kasay before him. If you look at other teams many of them are changing kickers every few years there are far fewer long term clutch steady kickers now.

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Some of them have already been asked to change teams, specifically by you.

And no, I don't tie any player to their team's win-loss record because as I've said repeatedly, teams win and teams lose. Win percentage is not a player stat, not even for quarterbacks.

And yes, you have wanted to see McCaffrey fans sad because of Newton. It's incredibly ignorant, but It's your thing, you've stuck with it and justified it over and over again.

You'd be smarter to just drop it.

No you aren't going to lay into me with these claims and then say you have always said it's a team sport. We both know that's not true Scot cut it out.

And they should be. McCaffrey fans are not Panthers fans. He is a 49er. When Newton became a New England Patriot the very same things were said here then too. And people who openly talked about his new team were asked to take it elsewhere. You are not keeping the same energy you and I both know it. But that's fine. That's your right.

1 hour ago, Tr3ach said:

Sounds like a potential Wilks staff lol.  Bring back Turner as OC and keep Holcombe as DC...

I really like Wilks he's a great guy. I just do not want to end up back at square one again like we did with Rivera by hiring another DC. And unlike Ron I do not see a Cam Newton in the draft to save the day for Wilks and hitch his wagon to for several years. Give me the offensive mind who can make things work with what limited options they have at QB for the time being and go out and hire an experienced defensive coordinator to hold down that side of the ball. But I want our bread and butter to become scoring points not holding leads. It's been years with that. Time to switch it up.

23 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

But your logic of "I want Christian McCaffrey fans to be unhappy because Cam Newton fans were unhappy"

Never said that. Said keep the same energy for your favorite offensive players. Cam Newton and Christian McCaffrey are two offensive players who have touched the football for the Carolina Panthers a whole hell of a lot of times over the last several years. And you are one of the folks who has forever tied Cam Newton to his record as a starter the last 20 or so games while just putting a cover over what he accomplished before that. But hey at the end of the day that's fair in sports it's a what have you done for me lately league. And again that same energy extends to #22's time here. Just like it was best for Newton to move on it was best for him too.

So the big question from here for me is this. If the 49ers win it all we know for sure there will be some very loud and proud McCaffrey fans who will let us all know about it even though it will hurt our team (via the draft position of the picks from the trade). So will those fans be asked by folks like yourself to make the jump to a new team to follow their favorite player?