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1 hour ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

To some degree I'm with you, but let's tone down the hyperbole so it doesn't become misinformation.  No team is averaging 30 points a game this year. None. Zero.

Only 7 teams are averaging more than 25 points a game. 14 teams make the playoffs and Green Bay with the 14th most prolific offense in the league this year is averaging 22 points a game.

The 14th best scoring defense (NO) is giving up just a hair under 21 points a game.

A more accurate statement would be to say you need to consistently score more than 20 while having a D good enough to keep your opponents to about that or less.

Btw, the best scoring defense is giving up 16.5 and the best scoring offense is averaging 29. That means the spread from 14th best to best for both offense and defense is a handful of points.

Ultimately is it a league in which you can win championships anymore by having a dominant defense and a middle of the road offense? i agree the answer to that is no, I just wanna be a little more realistic about the actual numbers.

Regular season no but entering the postseason and beyond you want to be scoring minimum 3 touchdowns to give yourself a chance. The Niners and Eagles look to be the teams to beat in the NFC and they have given up their share of points. But they can get on the board when they need to. We can't. There are different reasons for that beginning with different needs like a real tight end. But our QB turning the ball over was the difference maker in the loss yesterday IMO. Brock Purdy played better than our starter. We need to leave no stone unturned in the offseason in our search for QB and it begins with the draft. I'll keep banging that 🫡

6 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Speaking of Ellis...

My understanding is that he's directing this at people who have communicated with him on Twitter. I can't say I've seen anyone show more vitriol toward Wilks than Rhule.

To anyone who would do that though, I'd call you an absolute moron.

If just being better than Matt Rhule is the bar let's keep Wilks and bring back Ron to the staff when he's canned in Washington. We can have two Rivera's. Still better than Matt Rhule though!

The Niners gave up 400 yards of offense and 3 touchdowns to Jarrett Stidham yesterday and had to take it to overtime to put the Raiders away. There is no path to the playoffs where you are going to win with an offense putting up less than 30 points.

Why do so many people on this board think other teams aren't going to score? Even good defenses are giving up 30 points this is the NFL if you want to be relevant your offense has to go toe to toe and not kick field goals. I'm over the defensive identity of this team. I want to build a juggernaut offense.

6 hours ago, stratocatter said:

Eyeball test on Darnold says he is looking really good.

Results say he had a 53.6 QBR with 3 turnovers and was bested by a man twice his age. You guys will settle for anything.

Some of ya'll are being homers thinking Horn would have shut down their passing attack all game. You have to score more points.

2 hours ago, glenwo2 said:

What the hell is wrong with some of you?

I mean okay....they lost to the Bucs and we shouldn't be throwing up high-five's for having a f-cking pulse after having none with Rhule but at the end of the day, looking at "silver linings" is the only goddamn thing we got.

 

So what the f*ck else you people want???

I don't get it.

 

Oh wait....You are all upset about Draft position....It's always about Draft position with many of you.

Never about "Let's root for the team to win", right?   

 

Draft position THESE NUTS, okay?   christ....

Ask your old Jets fan brethren what silver linings mean to anyone.

1 hour ago, PantherPhann89 said:

Truth be told, what cost is this game was the lack of consistent pass rush on key plays. Brady wouldn't have had time to hit Evans for 3 deep TD's...

We got burnt badly in the secondary and we just used an 8th overall pick on CB a year ago. Odds say even if we won today and made our way into the playoffs we would not shut down any of the better offenses in the NFC for four quarters. They have talent and good coaching too. At some point your offense and your QB have to lead you to more than 3 touchdowns. It's a high scoring league. That might be enough for mediocre teams but it is not getting you into a conference championship.

As an interim that inherited a mess he's done a hell of a lot better than Rhule ever did hats off to him there but that isn't the bar. The search continues...

11 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

How many coaches continue to leave their CB on an island against Evans when he's already gone for 2 TDs?

He's meant to be a defensive coach - a secondary coach no less. Make a fuging adjustment.

Wilks has earned criticism and we should undoubtedly exhaust all options in our coaching search but some of you are delusional and not consistent with your expectations for both sides of the ball. The Bucs are a talented team they are going to get on the board sooner or later. You guys that think we are going to the playoffs holding talented teams to 14 or 17 points are just nuts. Our offense has to start putting up 30 points and more.

I can kind of agree with some of the things you are getting at but this division is deep fried dogshit. We won a few meaningless games and still could not thwart the efforts of a should be retired and washed up Tom Brady. If you're happy with that hey cool more power to you. That does not mean everyone else has to agree. The Panthers have been doing this for years. Folks have a right to be frustrated. That's sports.

19 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

After what I saw today, he seems to be turning the corner.  I think I would sign him for next season and forget giving up 3 firsts or paying $50m for a veteran free agent.

I would have to see the numbers, but we REALLY need a TE.  We could use a S.  We need healthy CBs. 

 

Yeah we need a healthy secondary obv but we need an offense helmed by a QB who can muster more than 24 points. The best teams in the league are regularly dropping 30 points. You guys wanted playoffs but somehow expected we would walk our way into the dance with this measly output? Nah.

For a starting QB in the current version of the NFL turning the corner means not turning the ball over or putting it on the ground. The bar around here is beneath the Earth's crust apparently.

2 hours ago, Varking said:

At least he suited up. Horn missed the game per usual and we got smoked through the air.

5 minutes ago, Day1PanthersFan said:

It also helps if the center knows when to snap it 

True but Sam has a history of this foolishness we aren't going to coach it out of him.

Yeah this was a bad trade no way around it.

If Sam isn't throwing an INT he's fumbling. We have extra draft picks still take another QB regardless.

Just now, ncstatekwi said:

9 Catches 200 YDS.....you better ask yourself....WTF was the point of picking up J NO....FREAKIN' MO RONS!!!!!

Lmfao I forgot all about Josh Norman.

Welp time to see Sammy with a game winning drive.

2 minutes ago, Panthers Fan 69 said:

Do we have any more Brian Burns nut huggers on this team? This thing fuging sucks.

He deserves criticism but what does he have to do with our secondary? We invested an 8th pick in our corners and he has been banged up. Maybe it's time we shift away some from this defensive team first mentality.

And another 50+ yard touchdown from the Bucs. Gonna need to keep it going Sam.

Good to Sam has a short memory from those boneheaded interceptions he has been known for. Now finish.

1 minute ago, Tr3ach said:

It was a perfect read and perfect stepping into the pocket.  He just was a yard or two short.  It happens to every qb in the nfl every once in a while

*looks at his overall body of work over 5 seasons*

So which QB we picking in round 1 again?