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Cliff better play Mark Williams big minutes now...

1 hour ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I'm ready to see him go so we can stop talking about him.

All back and forth aside I agree with this completely. Just talking the truth about Darnold in this thread results in no less than half a dozen poo'd posts lmao. You'd think we had actually won something of significance or been to the playoffs with this guy. People are crazy lol. I cannot wait until the draft and free agency has begun.

16 minutes ago, CamTheMan said:

That game wasn't removed though? If I had, the following would have been his stats:

3740 yards (10th)

24 TDs (10th)

3 Ints (1st)

105.4 Rating (2nd)

I included that game in the original post though. He played objectively average football throughout the course of 6 games. I wouldn't count on that regressing after he goes from McAdoo to Reich, personally. Seems like if anything, he'll get better. Most of the people against him are basing their arguments on how they personally feel about him, which is totally fine. Just say you want to move on because you're scarred from how bad he was in 2021. Completely acceptable take. What isn't an acceptable take is to pretend like he was genuinely bad last year.

From my view when combining the highs and the lows he was mediocre at best overall. As another poster pointed out he averaged less than a TD a game over 4 wins and one of those wins we had an historic rushing output from our backfield. That's the best you can hope for from a 25 year old in his prime? We can replace that with any other option in the free agent QB market. That's the rub

2 minutes ago, CamTheMan said:

Guy, if you're going to respond to what I just said with "but he had a bad game in a week 18 matchup where both teams were already eliminated and half the players were out," just let me know now so I can know not to engage further. 

Well there's not much to engage with if you're going to remove that game to make your argument look better. Sorry bud the world doesn't work that way and the Carolina Panthers aren't running a charity. Enjoy your day!

1 minute ago, CamTheMan said:

Darnold showed signs of improved processing and clearly improved mentally. Even those who don't want him back have to acknowledge that. He looked WAY calmer in the pocket and his footwork took a big step forward. He's younger than a few guys in this draft. I don't get why people are going balls to the wall to crap on him when pretty much everyone who wants him back is saying they want him on a cheap, short-term deal. Nobody is saying he is the future. Nobody is denying he has had a poor career. His coaches were Adam Gase (he is literally failing as a high school OC right now) and Matt Rhule (self explanatory). He played 6 games in his career without them and here are his stats stretched through a full season and where they rank in the league:
 

3238 yards (15th)

20 TDs (15th)

8 Ints (9th among QBs with more than 8 starts)

92.6 Rating (13th)

11-6 record

There is damn near no objective way to say he is not worth a backup level contract.

Yeah clearly it was Adam Gase and Matt Rhule's fault Sam Darnold put up a historically bad passer rating against the Saints. You think we win 11 games with him? Insane.

3 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

Stroud can add weight to his frame and be an average sized NFL QB.  Stroud is an inch taller than Rodgers/Mahomes and weighs 7 less pounds.  Young is a good bit smaller with a small frame and already got hurt last year in college.  Young's style also concerns me a little to pair with his frame.  He likes to run around to extend plays which is great, but leads to more hits than Stroud's quick read passes.  

It's wild anyone wants to risk the farm on a QB his size in the top 10 after seeing Matt Corral ragdolled in the preseason. Bama fans...

Just now, ECHornet said:

4-2 as a starter this year would suggest otherwise, but that’s close to best case scenario for a non-rookie QB you’re paying ~5mil for. 

Those 4 wins were more due to the pieces around him and the losses highlight his limitations the same as they did in New York. When he absolutely has to win you games with that arm talent he can't. Look at all the team had to do to put them in position to defeat an Andy Dalton led Saints team coached by Dennis Allen. If you're Frank Reich and Scott Fitterer you leave no stone unturned. Would you settle for Sam if your job and career were on the line?

11 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

I'm going to try and explain it to you.

Other backups are typically backups because of physical limitations. High floor ultra low ceiling. 

Sam has the physical tools. He's worth 8mil easily. But like Scarecrow he needs a brain.

Frank could be the Wizard he needs

I'd love to have been a fly on the wall for his interviews with us. But I feel like I can safely assume no part of that interview process involved him declaring he can fix Sam Darnold. Do you ever try to put yourself in anyone else's shoes? Him and Fitterer know this is their last big chance. And you think Darnold is going to spoil that for them? Come on man wake up.

6 minutes ago, Wundrbread33 said:

Some want Sam as a backup or as a dude who can play until Corral/rookie is ready.  
 

Those wanting more from him…that’s a tough sell.

That's quite literally wanting more from him than he's capable of doing and why people want to look at other options. He is not a bridge QB under any circumstances. He could run a few drives in games here and there but he cannot start you games and keep you in any level of contention.

Fields wins with his legs he can't throw and he's one of the leagues worst passers. Darnold wins with his legs and he's Sam Newton. Again these people are just plain biased and nuts.

14 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

Here’s where I see the disconnect on Darnold…

Posters, like myself, suggest Darnold is worthy of bringing back on a backup QB contract. 

Other posters then come along and act as if it was suggested Darnold is our future at QB. 
 

No, that’s not what I’ve seen posted here. We need a backup QB. We have one QB on the roster and he’s never played a snap in the NFL. It shouldn’t be considered “looney” to bring a backup QB in to play primarily backup QB on a backup QB contract. 

I know you aren't saying he's our future but you and others at least in my view seem to give him the benefit of the doubt you don't offer to other QB's. There are other backup tier signal callers we can consider Sam is not the only free agent available. Reich and now Fitterer both have the added and IMO very important perspective of having learned from mistakes of giving highly touted yet underperforming quarterbacks teetering on bust status chance after chance. I think they will look to begin anew. You have to turn the page from mistakes.

1 minute ago, Catsfan69 said:

You guys almost have me willing to pay to have the last two games run on QB School

I would like to see if I'm as retarded as you guys say or not.

16 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Sam had a NFL record setting terrible rating. His team kept the game close despite Sam shitting the bed. That’s what you get with Sam. If the running game is rolling and WRs are open Sam can look the part. If anything goes wrong it’s a complete disaster. He is just mentally weak for the position. That’s nothing bad against him as most people are. 

I got no beef at all with Sam the person. Said that many times. It's the looney tunes here who anoint him to a level he clearly is nowhere near. He had the one gaffe on that podcast which was pretty foolish and rather tone deaf to say when considering how many chances he's gotten. But overall he's kept his head down and he definitely hasn't gone on social media trying to clap back at Panthers fans like we owe him something.

All that being said we can find a better QB to fit the bill for what we would be asking of him in 2022.

11 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Teddy did fine with a similar roster, but worse OL. 

The receivers and backs were fine when Sam was riding high behind a potent running game. When he actually has to win with his arm and he looks bad like always suddenly we have no talent. These folks are delusional and clearly the kind of fans who were rabid Kyle Allen groupies. You can't reason with someone who considers the final game against New Orleans a real game winning drive. They don’t care about actually winning big games or being in the playoffs they just want a QB who fits into their box. Well I cannot fuging wait until the draft when Fitterer and Reich swing for the fences.

1 minute ago, Catsfan69 said:

What? He had a game winning drive vs NO this year. Lol

He had 43 passing yards and 2 picks. No way in hell you or that other guy would be celebrating that if PJ Walker was the QB.

11 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

Sam's last game winning drive was <checks notes> the last game he played.

Oh wow you're counting that and taking a victory lap? Why don't you check those notes and read us back his stat line. How does a 25 year old in the prime of his life get outplayed by Andy Dalton? Andy Dalton!

Guys I really don't think the diet had much to do with his throwing arm falling apart. Maybe some level as far as healing from injuries but his style of play was never going to last through his thirties he could have eaten 3 steaks a day it doesn't matter.

1 hour ago, Wundrbread33 said:

Good post. Much closer to the truth that the person you responded to  

 

People refuse to think with nuance and just look at stats with no context.

Hey Mr. Nuance. Darnold has not had a game winning drive in five years and he's gotten more chances than some other QB's have. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

26 minutes ago, glenwo2 said:

I personally want us to move on from Sam if only to see who the next QB that kungfoodude, TLGPanthersfan, frankw, and the rest start excoriating and saying "He sucks!" with such vitriol. 

My guy you followed Sam Darnold to a new team take a seat. We've been watching abysmal QB play for years we know it when we see it if you don't like it the door is always unlocked you don't need to say anything you can just go.

6 hours ago, heel31ok said:

He'd kill us.

You're a Carr believer eh? That's nice.

Just now, bythenbrs said:

Definitely?  Hell, no.  Is it within the probable solution set?  Yes, it is.

Fitterer can't afford another losing season due to picking the wrong QB and neither can Reich. Unless Sam Darnold accepts a very bare league minimum contract his days should be numbered here. Would you risk your job and second chance that doesn't often happen on a QB who finished the season with the worst passer rating in franchise history?

I can't fathom how anyone could look at the Reich hire and what transpired in Indianapolis and come away thinking "yeah Sam Darnold is definitely going to be here this season".

Shocking development.

Yeah and some folks will forever see Cam for his win/loss record beginning with the Pittsburgh game in 2018. Anything he did before negated. It is what it is though.

19 minutes ago, Sean Payton&#x27;s Vicodin said:

Turns out you probably should invest in better OTs than Bryon Bell and Mike Remmers and not use your fuging QB as a bulldozer every single drive

And people really wanted round 2 of another Ron Rivera