frankw

If you want to avoid toxicity stop creating terrible threads. But keep logging in every five seconds to poo another post.

1 minute ago, Basbear said:

Its been a rough five years as panthers fans, we all are in some level of fan frustration. That maybe a way hes trying to help you lower you levels. I know a year of complaining has done little good for the huddle. I rarely complain, but join a few of crybabing sessions, it was good to get some of that out. But daily, monthly, and now yearly?? Thats like hearing someone complaining about a restaurant that they always go to.... "I hate this place", pulls into parking spot.... 

Welcome to the internet social media and America in general. People live to complain. The human species is a mess. We can go on for hours about this but we all share blame. In the meantime I'll get back to hoping my football team doesn't get too embarrassed today.

2 minutes ago, Basbear said:

eeyore memes are petty based, some of them hit me hard cause Ive been in dark times like most...

Not even memes. Just random photos of eeyore and calling people wet blankets.

4 minutes ago, Pakmeng said:

Pretty sure he's a 42 year old emo kid

Says the old man who thinks littering pictures of eeyore is a sick burn.

7 minutes ago, TrevorLaurenceTime22 said:

Just curious has anyone ever seen @frankw root for success? I sure haven’t. 

 

 

 

Are you going to stalk me all day with silly claims like this? It's gameday dude for all your rabble about how miserable I am you're even worse. I'm actually more optimistic today than I have been in months I hope Wilks has the team ready to play.

12 minutes ago, TrevorLaurenceTime22 said:

He isn't a fan just a miserable troll,

I was a fan before McCaffrey and I'll be one long after until I'm gone unlike some folks who have already declared they will become Bills fans if he's traded there.

6 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Bro, if you trade CMC aka your best weapon, thats a harder sale to gain a good HC. You got to factor that in too, lots of stuff to factor in this shitshow...

I think scott will not just make one move either, he will line a few moves with agreed terms and if one happens the others will too. Honestly us fans overrate players, I still think thats the biggest issue. League is not impressed with 2 seasons IR current meh stats CMC, 9 sack best season Burns, Robbie lols, DJ "scared of TDs" moore, etc etc..

The harsh truth of the matter is an RB who has missed double digit games the last few seasons isn't going to be the deal breaker on any potential new coach hires. We have to fact this fact.

8 minutes ago, Basbear said:

I believe GM Scott is just gathering information on CMCs league wide value and RBs in general. Adding this information to the cut option as well. Hes smart about having a "open door" policy about taking any/all trade calls. I had a boss with a similar deal about allowing any vendor in the door, it can benefit everyone if youre smart.....but it also opens your options and market too.  

I'd have to differ a bit on this IMO this is much more than just due diligence. We are going to shed some of these bad deals one way or another and he's probably been directed to do so by Tepper. That's not a good thing but given how hands on our owner has been it's likely the case. Hopefully things don't get too ugly.

4 minutes ago, TrevorLaurenceTime22 said:

Clearly seeing as they essentially have 100m in dead cap over three seasons... A winning strategy! 

 

None of what's going on lines up with your dumb ass opinion.

You're clearly angry and too emotional over this conversation you're welcome to stop quoting posts that hurt your feelings bud.

4 hours ago, jackson113 said:

Can we fire him again??

You win the thread.

1 minute ago, Basbear said:

It does, that issue should not be debated. Unless theres some new rule/loop hole about dividing up the hit ala post june 1st cut. The trade would be very complex for both parties. Panthers need lube for all the bonus money and are there teams that still view CMC as "elite" *and* want to offer a "elite" trade package? I dont see it, imo CMC will remain a panther. 

If the Panthers were deathly afraid of the dead money McCaffrey wouldn't be available for trade. They know it's coming sooner or later it was a bad deal all along it is what it is.

3 minutes ago, TrevorLaurenceTime22 said:

I don't think you understand how this works...The dead cap on a trade is nearly identical to being cut....

 

Just like being cut his remaining bonus money will count immediately instead of being pro rated.

We are aware. The key to that within this current discussion is absorbing the dead cap hit that is coming one way or another with or without an additional draft pick to ease our minds and give us something anything to build on after wasting an 8th overall pick and the most expensive RB contract in the NFL. But again we do not hold much leverage if you want to continue to argue that there is nothing more we can discuss because it is fantasy.

3 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Do you know a GM personally? Pretty intersting that you can state that so certainly. If you know someone then by all means do share.

 

At the end of the day teams are trading contracts, and the dollar amount of those contracts are how franchise measure gaining value. Teams are not in the business to pay for other team's contracts.

I need to know one or multiple GM's personally to conclude that most of them will recognize that they can simply walk away from the table if we demand more than a 3rd or 4th round pick given everyone knows our contractual circumstances and the circumstances with the question of his availability given his recent run of injuries? Okay.

2 minutes ago, TrevorLaurenceTime22 said:

Frankcompletely won't answer me on how his cap hit is "crippling us" yet won't acknowledge he's advocating to add to a ridiculous dead cap #.

Hey bud I haven't discussed his cap numbers in this thread do you even know who or what you're responding to? Must be day drinking. For the sake of clarity his cap hit is 19 million next year and the same in 2024. Next year it would result in 18.3 million in dead cap to cut him and 10.8 million in dead cap to cut him in 2024. We really do not have much if any leverage in this except in the minds of some Panthers fans.

6 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

its pretty evident that our circumstance is that we arent trading players just to trade them. Therefore we will always have leverage, bc they are buyers, but we are not yet sellers.

Oh that's fine we can maintain that position as long as we want it just leads us to the inevitable point where we simply cut McCaffrey within the next few seasons and hope and pray he doesn't miss multiple games again along the way. Your perception of leverage differs greatly from that of other general managers around the NFL.

He said she said doesn't matter Wilks controls his own destiny now I'm eager to see what he's learned over these last few years. This might not be a great opportunity based on the not ideal circumstances but it is a chance for him to prove people wrong. If it doesn't work out we'll have a decent draft pick to fall back on.

5 minutes ago, TrevorLaurenceTime22 said:

completelyfrank is the same person a needy miserable human.

Says the guy who followed me around for weeks and even asked about my relationship status. Get some better material.

3 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Does really matter how it looks if teams want CMC? They are going to call and say "we arent going to give you 2 firsts, but we will start a 2nd and 3rd..." 

 

Then the negotiation process begins. Panthers are going to leak "Team is willing to negotiate on a couple mid round picks for CMC...."

 

They are hedging right now. They also wont have to waste time taking callings from teams who wont offer more than a 4th. 

 

This is pretty the same way private equity firms shop their investments if they dont see it going public.

We can ask for whatever we still have no leverage in this everyone is clued in to our circumstances. If we got a 3rd that would be a small miracle and I would take it in an instant.

2 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

I would say this same thing for ANY franchise in the NFL in this situation.

 

1. Low Draft Picks

2. Contract is basically already paid

3. Teams are calling bc its a losing season

4. Not desperate to trade

 

Nothing about this is "homerism" this is looking how businesses are run in the NFL. Which is my favorite part of the entire sport.

Multiple firsts is the bar for an elite young quarterback. We look like idiots asking for that for a running back who has missed multiple games the last two seasons it doesn't matter how good people here think he is. And this after tucking tail and firing our 63 million dollar college head coach. It's gonna be awhile before we can dig ourselves out of full on joke status around the league.

23 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

why? they just leaked "the bar" now teams know where to start when negotiating. Obviously we wont get two first round picks. However, now teams know where to start negotiating down. If they dont call, then they dont call.

You are such a homer lmao.

1 hour ago, UNCrules2187 said:

 

14 minutes ago, ncfan said:

 

We're probably stuck with him for one or two more seasons. Everyone but the Panthers and a small group of weirdos here know the position is devalued and you can get good production with even average backs.

2 hours ago, KushMcDieselson said:

Brian Flores would like a word with you

Valid but your point cuts both ways in this discussion. Those claims about being given incentives for tanking are all the more reason for teams to be extra mindful not to give any indication of impropriety. So again we're back to tanking talk being mostly a fan dream.

7 minutes ago, rmoneyg35 said:

Who cares we are tanking. We are going to need a few years to become a contender. Trade everyone now for maximum value or we can keep everyone on big contracts and stay an average to below average team.

Tanking is a fan thing. Might as well go ahead and prepare yourself for the inevitability that we win a few games and end up with the 4th or 5th pick. It's just what we do.

14 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

 

Yeah we'll never be able to draft a productive running back and Robbie is irreplaceable

CMC superfans about to be heated.