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Just now, MHS831 said:

No I get it.  I even said that his bad rep is earned--

PJ does not have that first round pedigree, but yes, they could benefit him.  Darnold has the God-given tools to be a great QB---his trouble is processing.  Can that be taught?  Yep.   Has he learned it yet? Nope.

A coach can teach him until he's blue in the face the coach isn’t the one behind center. We need to draft our own guy we didn't take Darnold it is not up to us to rehabilitate him when he's now entering his sixth season.

4 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

 The point was--new coaches and situations can benefit players--so how does a game in 2022 get used as your measuring stick?

But how many chances do you want to give the guy? By this logic why don't we keep PJ Walker too. New coaches could benefit him couldn't they?

No thanks. Just draft our own guy.

2 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Lotta people are down on Darnold right now, and with good reason.  However, Hurts, Goff, Lawrence, D. Jones, Tua---there are a lot of examples of QBs that people have almost given up on--called a bust--and then the situation changes, and they are suddenly better. 

From the Jets to to the Panthers with Rhule--not many QBs would have survived that.

Being optimistic is one thing. But to mention him in the same breath as any of those other QB's is peak cope. He was thoroughly outplayed by Andy Dalton cmon.

Cool for the feels and nostalgia for sure but that doesn't amount to wins. Now let's get a QB in the draft and let's start winning.

52 minutes ago, travisura said:

I'm hoping that seeing Darnold sh*t the bed first hand will make McCown want absolutely fug all to do with bringing ol' Sammy back.

Just show him the "highlights" from the last game of the season.

Surely he can't wait to coach Sam Darnold amirite

6 minutes ago, joemac said:

Yeah....a good QB is damn sure not guaranteed.  Really ever.  Look at the QB purgatory the Browns have been for decades before they finally got Watson.  

Welp that's it fellas we've got no shot. No point even trying let's just pack it in and maybe try again in ten years when we're old af.

6 hours ago, heel31ok said:

He should have been our starter this year.

*looks at username*

Oh really?

What is this "Stroud boys" stuff about? We're ridiculing each other now for wanting to shoot our shot on a rookie? I am not enamored with the idea of moving up to the top 3 to take him but if Fitterer and Reich think he's the guy well you do what it takes to get him. But at the end of the day I highly doubt three QB's will be gone before our pick.

Take it easy ya'll lol

4 minutes ago, Shocker said:

I did not say to go with Sam and move on.  I said if we can’t get Young or Stroud he should be looked at as an option for now.  
 

Levis and AR worry the hell out of me and I ain’t looking to pick a guy to pick a guy

Any of them could bust but you really want another small frame QB? We have Corral. For Fitterer to add another he would have to be on the sauce or just not at all concerned for his job security.

Yeah at this point you have to call it like it is and admit it would take a miracle for Jordan to suddenly become a good owner and lead this franchise to any level of consistent success. This is how we will likely remain for the foreseeable future unless something drastic happens. Even if we got the first pick I would expect us to fug that up somehow too.

2 minutes ago, Stuart Smith said:

I don’t think anyone is saying Sam Darnold is the long term answer, I think 99% of us realize that. The most important thing is I think Tepper is ready to move on. However, I have heard no one, and I mean no one mention an available quarterback that is head and shoulders above Darnold as a bridge quarterback. Brissett? He has had more chances than Sam and has failed everywhere. Brissett may be who Reich wants, who knows. However, When people who may think different than you are referred to as “looney tunes” it is very telling about the person posting. 

Hey Stuart. I have faith you'll somehow survive witnessing this dreaded slander about your favorite NFL QB.

2 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I cannot think of a less significant player in Panthers history that has caused so much debate.

Personally I say give me a QB who will ruffle some feathers and shake things up and instill a new culture here the way Newton did. These dad jeans types who love Darnold can join him on his new team.

Hornets fans to Mitch K right now:

I didn't even see the McDaniels news initially until now. For a second!? What use could we even have for that pick after we discarded an extra first like it was on fire. Kupchak is a buffoon.

Cliff better play Mark Williams big minutes now...

1 hour ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I'm ready to see him go so we can stop talking about him.

All back and forth aside I agree with this completely. Just talking the truth about Darnold in this thread results in no less than half a dozen poo'd posts lmao. You'd think we had actually won something of significance or been to the playoffs with this guy. People are crazy lol. I cannot wait until the draft and free agency has begun.

16 minutes ago, CamTheMan said:

That game wasn't removed though? If I had, the following would have been his stats:

3740 yards (10th)

24 TDs (10th)

3 Ints (1st)

105.4 Rating (2nd)

I included that game in the original post though. He played objectively average football throughout the course of 6 games. I wouldn't count on that regressing after he goes from McAdoo to Reich, personally. Seems like if anything, he'll get better. Most of the people against him are basing their arguments on how they personally feel about him, which is totally fine. Just say you want to move on because you're scarred from how bad he was in 2021. Completely acceptable take. What isn't an acceptable take is to pretend like he was genuinely bad last year.

From my view when combining the highs and the lows he was mediocre at best overall. As another poster pointed out he averaged less than a TD a game over 4 wins and one of those wins we had an historic rushing output from our backfield. That's the best you can hope for from a 25 year old in his prime? We can replace that with any other option in the free agent QB market. That's the rub

2 minutes ago, CamTheMan said:

Guy, if you're going to respond to what I just said with "but he had a bad game in a week 18 matchup where both teams were already eliminated and half the players were out," just let me know now so I can know not to engage further. 

Well there's not much to engage with if you're going to remove that game to make your argument look better. Sorry bud the world doesn't work that way and the Carolina Panthers aren't running a charity. Enjoy your day!

1 minute ago, CamTheMan said:

Darnold showed signs of improved processing and clearly improved mentally. Even those who don't want him back have to acknowledge that. He looked WAY calmer in the pocket and his footwork took a big step forward. He's younger than a few guys in this draft. I don't get why people are going balls to the wall to crap on him when pretty much everyone who wants him back is saying they want him on a cheap, short-term deal. Nobody is saying he is the future. Nobody is denying he has had a poor career. His coaches were Adam Gase (he is literally failing as a high school OC right now) and Matt Rhule (self explanatory). He played 6 games in his career without them and here are his stats stretched through a full season and where they rank in the league:
 

3238 yards (15th)

20 TDs (15th)

8 Ints (9th among QBs with more than 8 starts)

92.6 Rating (13th)

11-6 record

There is damn near no objective way to say he is not worth a backup level contract.

Yeah clearly it was Adam Gase and Matt Rhule's fault Sam Darnold put up a historically bad passer rating against the Saints. You think we win 11 games with him? Insane.

3 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

Stroud can add weight to his frame and be an average sized NFL QB.  Stroud is an inch taller than Rodgers/Mahomes and weighs 7 less pounds.  Young is a good bit smaller with a small frame and already got hurt last year in college.  Young's style also concerns me a little to pair with his frame.  He likes to run around to extend plays which is great, but leads to more hits than Stroud's quick read passes.  

It's wild anyone wants to risk the farm on a QB his size in the top 10 after seeing Matt Corral ragdolled in the preseason. Bama fans...

Just now, ECHornet said:

4-2 as a starter this year would suggest otherwise, but that’s close to best case scenario for a non-rookie QB you’re paying ~5mil for. 

Those 4 wins were more due to the pieces around him and the losses highlight his limitations the same as they did in New York. When he absolutely has to win you games with that arm talent he can't. Look at all the team had to do to put them in position to defeat an Andy Dalton led Saints team coached by Dennis Allen. If you're Frank Reich and Scott Fitterer you leave no stone unturned. Would you settle for Sam if your job and career were on the line?

11 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

I'm going to try and explain it to you.

Other backups are typically backups because of physical limitations. High floor ultra low ceiling. 

Sam has the physical tools. He's worth 8mil easily. But like Scarecrow he needs a brain.

Frank could be the Wizard he needs

I'd love to have been a fly on the wall for his interviews with us. But I feel like I can safely assume no part of that interview process involved him declaring he can fix Sam Darnold. Do you ever try to put yourself in anyone else's shoes? Him and Fitterer know this is their last big chance. And you think Darnold is going to spoil that for them? Come on man wake up.