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2 minutes ago, Panthercougar68 said:

But we also beat the Texans when Frank wasn’t calling plays

just saying.

Didn't we proceed to play some of our worst football of the season following that game including one where our top pick threw two gut wrenching pick sixes to the same defender?

Talk that size bro mess to the defenses Bryce Young will be facing in 2024.

2 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

He’s a heisman trophy winner

2 minutes ago, Panthercougar68 said:

Is that Bryce or the system? Did better when Reich was gone. You can have fun with rookie numbers when they play more than 8 games like a lot of rookie QBs.

We got substantially worse and even ended up being shut out by the Jags missing their starting QB post Reich.

Just saying.

4 minutes ago, csx said:

Now you are just bored and trying way too hard

4 minutes ago, Panthercougar68 said:

But is it the truth?

6 yards per pass attempt in 2019 compared to Bryce Young at 5.5 and 62% completion to Bryce Young's 59.8

Doesn't seem that far off sadly.

Just now, Panthercougar68 said:

God what an awful argument 

Truth hurts as they say.

The tone of this discussion in the face of facts and actual truths is beginning to remind me of Kyle Allen.

Hell at least he showed some flashes to justify the vehement defenses of him.

Just now, AceBoogie said:

He was an MVP in year 1? Don’t make me do the thing where I have to state the fact that Cam walked into an offense with two established RBs, a hall of fame WR, and two very good TEs. Combine that with the fact that he’s Cam Newton yea things looked a little differently his rookie year. 

He received ROTY honors. He looked like he belonged at every level even before Auburn.

You're diminishing him to prop up BY.

1 minute ago, AceBoogie said:

It’s not about an offseason program. It’s not about weight. It ain’t even about height. People here are miserable. Cam was one of the biggest mfs to ever play the position and they found things to bitch about with him too. 

Cam was a fuging MVP lol

Bryce Young put up one of the worst rookie season statlines ever.

It's flat out disrespect to draw comparisons.

2 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

The same people in here defending bryce told us a year ago around this time he would add muscle and weight when he was able to start an off season program now thats irrelevant when the time has come. Not surprising lol

Scott Fitterer said this practically verbatim before the draft to justify the selection.

But now it's apparently a wholly unreasonable and absurd expectation.

The level of coddling is worse than with Darnold. And that's saying something.

13 minutes ago, Panthercougar68 said:

Is there no middle ground where you can say Bryce has some aspects of gameplay to improve on but at the same time saying that expecting him to come Into the season at 210lbs is stupid?

If you check my post history you'll see that over the last few months I was hopeful he could at least turn the corner into a decent starter for the time being. But the early returns I'm seeing after hearing his "advisors" rejoicing on his behalf for what we spent on the OL after gutting the defense does not look any different than the same guy who hid at the combine when the lights were bright. I'm not going to bury my head in the sand on that.

Just now, csx said:

The repetitive negative takes from some are still coping mechanisms.

 

Only here on the huddle has acknowledging reality become only negativity and or hate.

3 minutes ago, csx said:

I'm not going to judge his offseason based on a 2 second clip of him walking no matter what it looks like.

If he's had over 3 months to think about how his first stint as a professional athlete went despite all the hype that surrounded him initially after playing for Alabama I don't see much changing in another 3 months.

Some people only know coping now. It's understandable given the history of our franchise. But that's still all it is.

4 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Yeah, he avoids working out. Quality opinion.  

Specifically the weight room.

Not a controversial take.

3 minutes ago, csx said:

Season been ended 3 months ago and offseason programs are just beginning. 

He could get bigger or smaller between now and whenever but I realize this has nothing to do legitimate discussion 

It's still early no doubt.

Right now it's a matter of optics. One of the worst rookie QB seasons of the last few decades. Coaches people in the front office fired. But looks like business as usual for the top overall selection who has always had the best available around him and people to build him up.

We as fans can dismiss it. But you can bet your ass some of the teams on our upcoming schedule are taking note.

2 hours ago, jayboogieman said:

Thanks for posting.

I still want a center more than any other position. The Panthers don't have one and need somebody that can start there more than they need WRs, DEs, or whatever else. And a guy that couldn't cut it at center for other teams isn't going to magically be a good starting center for the Panthers either.

It's almost like people have forgotten Paradis. I'm in favor of adding some young talent to the Center position.

Don't waste a pick on a QB this year.

The die has been cast. Roll with and save that for next season if it needs to happen.

2 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

Don’t make me come for you bro. Stay in your lane. People don’t go to the gym just to put on muscle. Stop being dumb. He can’t get taller in the gym, and him putting on more weight isn’t automatically going to make him a better QB. Kid missed one game last year despite getting hit more than anyone and y’all are complaining about poo that either can’t change or don’t matter. It’s tired and old, but look who the fug I’m talking to. 

2 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

It’s fuging April. Please don’t spend the year obsessing over another grown man’s size. Yall got small dick complexes around here 

His GM just got fired and he looks like he avoids the gym at all costs. Yet you're talking about manhood size? Who's really got a complex here?

7 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/scott-fitterer-on-bryce-youngs-size-it-doesnt-seem-to-be-an-issue

“Nutritionally we can do some things to educate him, get him in the weight room,” Fitterer said of Young. “

7 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

He looks smaller.  I was told a true nfl weight program would help him gain size

Something something about nutrition right?

Gotta maintain that diet I guess.

1 hour ago, MillionDollarCam said:

I don’t even want to give that idiot (LaVar) a response but he might be on to something with the shoes.

It is odd that all of Puma’s athletes (LaMelo, Barrett, Ayton, Smart, Kuzma) suffer from ankle issues.

It's not outside the realm of possibility for sure. But all these major shoe brands are made with the same materials and made dirt cheap overseas in sweat shops.

What brand was the shoe that fell apart on a player in the middle of a game awhile back? Was it Nike?

Some of this is also just bad luck.

6 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

I would trade Ball in a heartbeat.

 

Talented player, but he is injury prone and lacks leadership. How does the rookie Brandon Miller sound more mature than Melo.

 

Melo is still cussing in his interviews. That shows me he doesn't get it. Time to grow up take care of your body and please wear your ankle braces.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2024-04-05/lavar-ball-lamelo-lonzo-injuries-shoes-workouts-hornets-bulls

His pops is out here blaming the injuries on LaMelo's Puma shoes lol.

He could be right about the practices though. But plenty of other players can stay on the court consistently. At some point you as the athlete either want it or you don't. Some of these young players of newer generations are just caught up in the materialism side of being a sports celebrity. Even LeBron has called them out for it.

At this point if our ownership has any clue what they are doing they will put in place a new regime that will prioritize building around Brandon Miller first and foremost. Where LaMelo will fit in will be up to him. If that is going to happen though we need to hire the right coach. No more softie BS.

It's been an ongoing shitshow since @ Pittsburgh 2018.

1 hour ago, Shotgun said:

Hurney drafted Newton and Fitts drafted Young.....

That's a big gap.

It's a longshot but something could still happen for Bryce Young. I doubt he will ever be anywhere near that significant of a centerpiece as Cam Newton was to the Panthers though. The sad thing is leading up to the draft of all the QB's in the class Stroud reminded me of Cam the most. The way he carried himself. He acted like he actually wanted to prove himself instead of hiding at the combine. He seemed genuine. He was as we know now despite people trying to sabotage him.

At the end of the day no matter how much hopium any of us can fill ourselves with none of us can escape the fact we seemingly shot a brick and faceplanted onto the floor when given an easy layup repeat of the 2011 QB draft class with the first overall pick. We didn't even opt for Marcell Dareus. We took a tiny Blaine Gabbert.

The documentary years from now about the top 2 picks of the 2023 draft is going to be entertaining.