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3 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, Bryce’s arm is what it is.   I don’t see us solving anything by telling him he needs to throw with more oomph.  You can’t really coach him into much more of a stronger arm 

we need a good creative scheme with actual playmakers….and frankly for him to be a dink and dunk PG.  That’s his game.  Accept what you drafted.  Not saying he can’t take a shot here and there but that’s not what he is. 
 

 

Playmakers like the one we traded for him right?

For some reason I can hear "Hello Darkness My Old Friend" in the background..

So what you're really saying is:

QB first round next year.

1 minute ago, Jackie Lee said:

I know Canales did his coach speak thing and said he wanted another vet in the qb room, but after looking at the available FA's I think we should really just grab a day 3 guy in the draft or UFA. Dalton has all the vet experience they need in the meeting room. Honestly after these two days I think Bryce needs some competition to get him out his comfort zone. 

Absolutely.

No matter how any of us may feel about Bryce Young's viability or if we believe he will turn things around. As Panthers fans who have seen only 2 long term QB's out of several dozen total in the span of nearly 3 decades history unequivocally tells us one thing for certain. Competition is a good thing.

20 minutes ago, CRA said:

I doubt you can change that much in a handful of weeks.  Bryce is largely what he is going to be I would think.   Especially, when it comes to play breaking down instincts that got him to the NFL.  

Think you fix Bryce by giving him a good scheme with open playmakers to go to dish to.  

The issue is there's 16 games worth of tape on Bryce Young. His bad habits are going to be immediately amplified if he reverts to them. Defenses are waiting for it. Also as another poster above rightly pointed out. He's got to start putting some oomph on these passes. That's also on tape. That's why us fans and his first GM who was fired wanted him to get into the weight room at any capacity but he took time off to do nothing.

Whatever happens it won't be for a lack of trying. I think Dave Canales is the right hire to work with a QB like Bryce. The issue is we have no idea if he is the right hire to fix the overall offense and team or how he will handle that level of responsibility on gamedays with only one year of coordinating. I think this is either going to go really well or it's going to spiral. For all the talk of how bad Reich was and yes he was we really got much worse after he was fired and that's what Canales is inheriting.

All of this is why I say it is important we have another young QB around just in case. Even a UFA.

Also drafting a center for Bryce or whomever.

We just need something anything to build on. Sustaining drives and getting into the end zone more often should be goals 1-3. We were h-o-r-r-e-n-d-o-u-s.

7 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I think simple exercises like this “back to basics” will help with his fundamentals. It’s boring but probably needed for Young and this offense in general. 

Oh I agree. Now is the time to address the footwork so we can see some progress in time for training camp. It's almost May time is of the essence. Hopefully Bryce can work whatever that bunny hop thing is out of his habits too. If we see that in the regular season Dave Canales is in trouble.

Throwing in shorts with no linemen. Seen enough of that at his proday.

I'm ready for training camp with pads on.

Let's get this draft going.

3 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

 

 

Now that is a grown man answer!

Would love to hear that from the face of our franchise.

Bradley Bozeman was one of the beloved members of this team last year. Paradis was also talked up a good bit at one point. Life comes at you fast. These people better learn and have a legitimate backup plan in place.

15 minutes ago, Gapanthersfan said:

My concern is that Bryce is going to require a lot of premium resources to make his style of play work. He needs first and second round talent.

Only a year ago Tepper told us he doesn't need elite WR's because he's so good.

4 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

I'm more concerned that all they've done is "played catch" at a voluntary workout when Stroud and Diggs immediately got together on their own after that trade and started working. 

 

That's leadership.

Any jabroni can hold it together making millions while losing.

The elite QB's want to win and will do whatever it takes and sacrifice their own time to do so.

That is what made Stroud an MVP candidate at one point last year as a rookie despite all the naysayers portraying him as lacking IQ and ironically leadership ability.

Williams seems to have high bust probability but some of the rhetoric around him reminds me of Levis. Most of it will blow over.

All that will matter is commitment to football.

But for me nothing against him personally I hope he is a bust because fug the Bears and we have lost enough on that trade we don't need him becoming a franchise QB too.

All this being said. Holy moley there is some lip service being given in here about the leadership of our own QB.

Yeah man he sure looked composed out there while we were getting our poo pushed in by the Jaguars missing their starting QB.

Some of you are truly professional shoe shiners.

Certainly we can and we probably will but that doesn't mean we take one at 33 and 39.

Center is also a huge looming need.

And if I'm just being honest here. I feel it's a high probability that either rookie will receive the same flack Mingo has because they aren't able to elevate the arm talent or lack thereof from Bryce Young.

At the end of the day we could have Justin Jefferson and our offense would still struggle to score points if our "franchise" QB has no deep passing ability.

13 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

That's dope

I worry that the Tepper's will allow some level of butchery like this to be done to the Panthers uniforms.

All the more important that Dan Morgan is a success here. He and Steve Smith Sr are probably the only individuals close to the team that would tell it like it is on potential redesigns.

2 hours ago, MHS831 said:

you have to decide, "Am I going to support him, or throw him under the bus?"  You have a right to do either, although I might reconsider the use of the word "fan" here.

I don't seem to recall much of this from 2011 to 2018.

People were way more brutal about this with Cam Newton and he had one of the most prolific rookie seasons of all time and was our only MVP in franchise history.

Bryce Young has to earn it like any other top pick before him. We might not like it. But that's the way it's always been.

Alright this one got me.

"Bryce hold for a pic we need this one for the carolinahuddledotcom"

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

Cam Newton spent his first NFL offseason basically living at BOA.    

What Cam Newton did as a rookie in a lockout year is nothing short of remarkable.

I just don't see that drive in Bryce Young. He's never been through the adversity Cam endured at either level. I believe a part of why he was made the pick is because the Tepper's thought he was the most marketable.

Sam Darnold also enjoyed his time away from football early in his career. It's just a job right?

Maybe taking time off works for him. People react differently.

But the optics of it from a first overall pick that also took time off to do nothing at the combine are.... not good.

17 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Ask and you shall receive!

 

https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1782546054749036883?s=46&t=bsTHbtMSqHXbNGi0vWP8hw

Well it can't be any worse than what we've been doing already. Might as well try something completely different.

4 minutes ago, Basbear said:

First 48 career starts

Trevor Lawrence- 20-28 W-L 85.5 Pass Rating, 55/35 Pass TD/INT, 12,204 Pass+Rush Yds 6.7 Yards/Att 

Daniel Jones;      19-29 W-L, 85.4 Pass Rating, 55/33 Pass TD/INT, 11,992 Pass+rush Yds, 6.7 Yards/Att

 

Well, well, well........ any comments now??

I tend to lean toward your side on the Lawrence debate here.

The one game people have to fall back on is the comeback playoff win but he helped dig that hole. And hey even Daniel Jones had a playoff win where it looked like everything was finally clicking. Then bam.

But regardless. Lawrence is going to likely go on to be an above average QB. Certainly not worth where he was drafted. But I'd rather be saddled with that than arguing about how our own QB is just like Drew Brees despite finishing with one of the worst statistical passing seasons of the last 20 or so odd years. You know we are in the cellar when we're slightly envious of even the fuging Jaguars.

57 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

Dudes with good arms bust all of the time as well

 

Absolutely.

How many of them were "superprocessors" on the football IQ scale though?

Really though. It is enormously concerning that someone with a limited arm who was praised over and over and over for his ability to process plays had such a disastrous season as a passer and had a game where he threw not one but two pick sixes to the same defender.

The only game we truly have to hang our hats on (I don't count the Texans win because we absolutely labored to score 15 points even Kyle Allen put up better passing outings come on) is the Green Bay game and their defense is hot garbage (we are applying the same standards that we did for Andy Dalton's lone start when all anyone wanted to talk about was how bad their secondary was). We have to be consistent.

Beyond that. What did any of those QB's truly bring on the leadership front? Zach Wilson Mac Jones and let's even tie in Sam Darnold on this are a couple of jabronis.

How many of them were repeatedly lauded for having the leadership of Peyton Manning? None right? So why do we need to make excuses and convince ourselves one or two throwing sessions in 12 months from our top pick is just gravy?

Expect more!

I'm seeing some takes in here that remind of last year when folks were talking down to others about how it was only preseason and our offense and particularly our QB aren't really that bad.

How many QB's had a worse deep ball than Bryce Young last year?

How many had a lower YPA?

Everyone should want him to go above and beyond.

19 hours ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

My guess is the one that’s starts with Wilson. I think the draft will look something like that. 
 

One of the favorite mocks I’ve made is the one that starts with Frazier.

Drafting a linebacker with our first pick would certainly be...something.

I'd be fine with taking the best center on the board.