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1 minute ago, uncfan888 said:

We aren't bidding against ourselves.

Sure we are. Other teams have already sniffed around balked at the price and peace'd out. Denver was one of them. Miami seemed to be the most likely destination then they called it quits. All we have now are rumors of teams that might have interest which is just more smoke and mirrors. Do not give this regime too much credit after the Darnold fiasco.

Yeah I'm getting the sense we are yet again bidding against ourselves. I'd rather roll the dice on a QB in the draft than give up what could become one of the biggest trade hauls ever.

It's definitely wishful thinking to not only already be hyping a QB class next year nobody knows will pan out and just assuming we will have a top pick. That "next year" mantra has been ongoing and is getting stale. Not only that for some reason people seem to be under an illusion that we will draft one hit and be done. If you think it works that way for every team you're in for a very rude awakening.

He can't be worse than Sam Darnold or PJ Walker.

3 hours ago, amcoolio said:

The Tepper hate is way overboard on here. He's only had the team a few years, he did the right thing by not immediately making changes like a lot of owners do but evaluate the current regime, he's been aggressive in trying to get a franchise QB according to sources and doesn't mind paying any amount for the coaching staff. He took a gamble on Rhule (who was a hot coaching candidate btw) and possibly lost, and now he's a "football dumbass"? Is there anyone on here that really could have done better? Almost all of you would have hired Rhule and exactly all of you were orgasming over the Joe Brady hire. 

I tend to agree in part that hate has been getting out of hand. It should be noted though not to confuse that with legitimate criticism. And just as David Tepper doesn’t need everyone in the fanbase despising him he also does not need his own unpaid staff of yes men here who will rise to his defense bc he is a billionaire. But as for the coaching hire most would agree a consultant would have been quite beneficial. Many folks took a look at Rhule's record in college and weren't exactly blown away. The selling point was the reputation as a "builder". But looking at oline and QB and our odd collecting of cornerbacks that hasn't exactly been a plus

1 minute ago, Mike in Raleigh said:

If we all stopped watching sports because somebody did something wrong or really stopped doing anything when somebody did something wrong, we wouldn't be doing anything at all. There are always scumbags. You don't have to participate when one gets dropped on your doorstep.

But we live in a time where there is little room for such distinction. And the NFL in particular is a league that has had a lengthy list of abuse. If people have been watching all this time it is reasonable to point out the hypocrisy. It is a very American issue as we all have blinders on to a degree.

Just now, Mike in Raleigh said:

Ray Rice wasn't on MY team and I didn't support them to start with. He should have been in prison. I have been a Panthers fan from the start. When they start acting as shitty as other teams, I don't have to put up with it. 

So if it's not on your team no harm no foul? Sounds like performative outrage.

1 minute ago, Mike in Raleigh said:

If he's hired, prepare yourself for a PR blitz of the Panthers supporting women's issues. They will probably have him doing ads claiming how much he is donating to abuse shelters and the like. The whole team will be wearing pink shoes. The hypocrisy will likely make me vomit.

So you stopped watching the NFL after the Ray Rice video and all the other documented instances of abuse right?

7 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Exactly, it's called a background check.

As the compensation numbers get larger the checking out becomes more comprehensive...especially when there are overhanging "issues" like we have with Mr. Whip-It-Out.

That said, as usual, not a single named source.

If Tepper actually trades for Watson will you be leaving? If so that's a silver lining. It ain't much but it'll have to do.

Hayward is a big loss but after four years that alone should not send us tumbling to the cellar of the Eastern conference. We need a new coach.

9 hours ago, onmyown said:

i don’t understand why we cannot stack picks for key players outside of Moton and Horn, tank JR 2010 style w/darnoldand

After us obviously not even remotely attempting to tank the last three seasons and all the recent chatter about coaches being paid to lose how does anyone think this has any possibility of happening? We are not tanking. Let that go.

On 11/22/2021 at 10:08 PM, Warpath202 said:

Letting henickie go is gonna be a mistake panther fans will regret for a long while . If he keeps playing this way he will be a starter again for Washington next year.

Any new thoughts @Warpath202?

15 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

If I'm Mitch, I'm doing everything I can to keep Bridges even if that means trading Rozier, Washington, and a pick or two. Both are streaky, but Bridges is younger, bigger, a better defender, and can play more positions. He's also averaging slightly more points per game on less shots. Terry's stats. Miles' stats.

Edit: As for calling the fans out in the post game show, that's not a good look at all. Was it the Wes guy? I've never seen Eric, Dell, or Ashley do that before.

You're making sense to me. Now to see what the front office does. The gist of it was they were saying there were too many Celtics fans and it shouldn't happen. Well the team is horrendous maybe focus on that? What do I know though.

23 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Blow it up?  WTF does that mean exactly?  Get a new coach and move on

Move whoever we have to in order to fully capitalize on our all star who is only 20 years old. What good are shooters if they are putting up bricks and air balls every night? When you pair that with the horrific defense and lack of a real big man we are just wasting our time.

3 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

Unless the players totally give up on JB, he'll be around another year or two while Ball and Bridges continue to develop. That is assuming the team doesn't get stupid and let Bridges walk in the offseason. He is turning into that second star teams need these days and seems to like it in Charlotte. That said, he also wants to get paid.

Hayward is probably done as a starter in the NBA. He just can't stay healthy and is overpaid. That probably makes him untradeable too.

I could see Ball bailing for the Lakers since that is his hometown team, but hopefully he sticks around for 8-10 years before doing so.

Melo staying here and maximizing his potential should be the highest priority. I'd love to keep Bridges but someone has to be the odd man out to build this roster right. You're right about Gordon now we have an anchor holding us back. I don't think JB will last past another season. Eventually Spectrum Center will start looking like BOA with the Panthers these days. Somehow folks saw fit to call out the fans in the midst of this stinkfest stretch they've been on. That damn sure isn't going to help.

5 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

I don't think it's time for that yet. Finding a more consistent scorer is a must as well as a defensive big. Maybe Jones and Bouknight could fill those roles.

And that was a great shot for the win in the VT and Clemson game.

Need a coach that knows how to get the best out of young players and will actually play them. We overpaid a star who is having the same injury plagued season he has on his last two teams. We have a possible young superstar in the making who is only scratching the surface and I honestly wouldn't blame him if he bolted as soon as he gets the chance. I wouldn't bet the house on this mediocrity changing as sad as it is to admit. But first and foremost they gotta get a different coach. This can't continue.

It may be time to blow it up tbh.

That's hilarious. I would love to get a reaction from that Washington fan that showed up here after the game last year talking up Heinecke as the next franchise QB.

Yeah I don't buy this either. Seattle is more likely than Pittsburgh to make a play for Watson.

Just now, Panthers Rhule said:

Carolina passed on Fields at 8 last season and he was a better option at this point than Willis is. I expect us to draft Pickett personally as he is the most experienced and checks all the boxes.

Pickett checks all the boxes but Willis isn't even an option? Man ten years later and this stuff still hasn't changed

46 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Part of me thinks this age of running qbs is slowing down due to injuries.  We saw it with Cam, Kyler has been injured for 2 seasons now, Russell doesnt run as much, Mahomes got hurt running, RG3 ended his career running, same with Luck. 

 

Looking back on the past SB winners dont see many of these "mobile" speed guys making the game.

Russ wasn't a runner he was great at scrambling and extending a pass play. Mahomes got beat up in the pocket as of late. RG3 was abused no doubt and that's why no QB with a choice wants to go to Washington. Luck took a bad beating behind some bad olines. You are extremely against QB's that are even remotely considered mobile. We get it by now every thread is the same take. There's plenty of time between now and the draft and odds are more likely that we don't take Willis than we do but if people want to discuss it have at it. All this hand wringing about mobile QB's is just becoming numbskullery. We may very well give up the farm for one in Watson. Accept it or maybe check some other teams out idk.

Just draft him and save ourselves a ton of extra resources from a Watson trade.

Gordon Hayward has gone full Weekend at Bernie's on us.