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4 minutes ago, Icege said:

Are some folks really pretending that the 2010 season was a purposeful tank job by the team to secure the #1 overall pick after spending their first pick on a QB in 2009?

They do remember the CBA negotiations, lockout, and JR being more concerned with his wallet than anything else... right?

I used to enjoy your posts but your inability to reconcile with the fact you were wrong about Bridgewater after months of going to bat has sent you over the edge and now you are bitter in every thread. Find a way to rappel yourself back up to reality soon.

The next year mantra has been done before to no avail. This is groundhog day for Panthers fans now. At least in 2010 we knew how to secure the bag once the obvious became known unlike 2019 and 2020. As it is we still won't know if we'll finally get the dreaded no back to back winning seasons monkey off our back until at least 2023. But yeah keep hoping for that fabled next year boys.

2 hours ago, YourLastThought said:

Kamara never sounds like the most educated fellow when he is interviewed. I hope he saves his money well for when he is done playing as he does not strike me as a brilliant business mind at all.

This take is so awful I'm siding with a Saints player. Please change and evolve.

20 minutes ago, therealmjl said:

Use your words better

Thanks dad.

Why the hostility for the guy? If it isn't okay for Teddy who is on the books for 60 million why is it okay for Grier who is making small time rookie money by comparison and already on the outside looking in? Doesn't seem consistent.

10 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

So asking for a redzone threat and a defense that can make a couple stops is asking for an all star cast?

This is revisionist history. The defense was unreliable at times but in the second half of the season in particular I watched them get the ball back for the offense many times only for Bridgewater to squander it. Some of it was playcalling but many of the wasted drives fall squarely on the qb.

2 minutes ago, Madwolf said:

That's absolutely false. Tackles have the highest success rate of any position. Doesn't mean their all pro bowlers though.

In the top 10? Agree to disagree on that. I would rather add another offensive target or solidify our corner depth.

5 minutes ago, top dawg said:

All of us would prefer Teddy not be the starter! Don't get it twisted!

I get that sense from you and other posters but that one in particular must be a relative or in teddy's circle or something.

I am not thrilled with the possibility of another season of Teddy starting but I'm not saying he's the worst quarterback we've ever had either. That being said I also not wwilling to deal in self deception. If someone isn't clutch and not franchise starter quality you just have to accept it. Sitting around making excuses is just more of the same. They didn't fly for the last two long term starters we had and they won't now. It is a perfomance based business and about money at the end of the day.

7 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Bridgewater is nothing like Allen.

Allen is your typical dumb gunslinger who doesn't read a defence very well and thinks he can fit the ball into every window.

Bridgewater generally reads the game very well, but is hugely conservative with the ball because he knows the limitations of his arm - he leaves a lot of yards / points on the field.

Yeah ok. There's a reason even Jets fans have been clowing on us. Keep those homer shades on fellas.

Bridgewater isn't going to change as a player. What you see is what you get. He is Kyle Allen with a little more mobility. He doesn't lack heart and he doesn't play scared because he obviously isn't a pussy as those scrambles he made showed. But he does lack the decision making and fight necessary to get over the finish line on his own. He is also dreadful in the redzone. How many promising drives did we waste that we were gifted by our defense? The guy just isn't clutch and you either have it or you don't. I want a team leader who despises losing. Someone who won't go ham it up on the sideline with our arch rival as they go in dry on our defense in their house.

The bust rate for tackles high in the first round has not been kind to teams the last decade or so no matter how promising the prospect looks on tape. If we are throwing in the towel I would rather just take Pitts.

That first super bowl with Jake was nearly two decades ago. You can't achieve future success being scared and living in the past. The league has changed and quarterbacks are in much more demand now and you have to be willing to make calculated risks.  Atlanta was one half of football away from making us the laughing stock of the nfc south as the lone team with a bare trophy cupboard. As it currently stands we have tumbled even further down into the cellar in the time since. The clock is ticking.

You have to be a special kind of gullible to believe it was all former radio host turned gm Hurney who was already halfway out the door yet entirely on his own went out and signed a backup quarterback to a 60 million dollar contract. 

It is crap to blame the fans for having the nerve of expecting more and not wanting to see the franchise waste the prime of our young core on manageable contracts because we picked the wrong quarterback.

The onus is on the coaching staff the owner and unfortunately for him Fitterer the new gm to figure it out and right the ship. We were fed a line of back and forth double talk about our former qb and the process itself moving forward in the early stages of the 2020 offseason that this was going to be a rebuild then it wasn't and we blew up our cap space on two luxury positions and Teddy Bridgewater. Figure out the plan set it in motion and fix this.

2 hours ago, Shocker said:

I originally was intrigued by this post but the one dimensional comment was just silly.  We went all defense last draft to address that and as you stated we are in year 2 of a rebuild with a first year GM.  Would be naive to not be trying to get a franchise QB no matter your situation.

BTW...the new GM is looking for OL help despite the mess Hurney left here.

One dimensional offensively if we are making #22 the workhorse without a viable change of pace back. Yes we have talented receivers but we have a timid quarterback so the deep ball game will be limited and we will not be able to keep defenses honest consistently enough.

For all the talk about our defense not forcing a third down it was the defense that kept us in close games in the second half of the season last year. But without legit corners we are still going to get eaten up in the nfc south. We need a quarterback who can go deep with accuracy. Even noodle arm Ryan was dumping on us last year.

Anyone out there who looks at the current Panthers salary cap commitments and lack of clear path to the next viable franchise quarterback and thinks to themselves that looks good is not living in reality. This franchise invested 170 million dollars in three players over the last two seasons two of which are increasingly expendable positions while we have been entirely passed by the teams within our division even the lowly Falcons. There is no path to postseason contention when you win one divisional matchup. None of that screams rebuild or retooling especially when you restructure two of those contracts before the ink is barely dry a year later. Trading away multiple first round picks was a dream scenario for the most part but making a bold acquisition for an actual franchise quarterback has been the only rationale left to explain the moves we have made which are the opposite of a rebuild. If we can build a real offensive line I would feel better about this but we seem to be heading in the same direction as previous years if we plan on ignoring trends within the rest of the league by successful teams like an rn by committee approach and not riding one rb like a rented mule and celebrating all purpose yards when your team gets their poo pushed in by the rest of the division because you are one dimensional.

Just now, cookinbrak said:

Or drafting 8 ft tall receivers to catch his overthrows instead of offensive linemen.

Wow you can really hold a grudge. Maybe let that go at some point.

Don't hold your breath about the Panthers lucking into another Russell Wilson in the third round. It is highly unlikely another prospect like that falls that much in a league that is so quarterback driven now. Some desperate team will overdraft.

Walker is unlikely the answer but some of his attributes definitely are. If we want to actually step out of the cellar of the NFC South we need a quarterback with the means and willingness to take a few risks and rifle some passes in tight windows and obviously stretch the field when the time comes. Newton made a living off this and thrived when he was consistent. Things went off the rails when he started to physically deteriorate. Anyway if you are serious about competing again and not being a doormat for the Bucs Saints and Falcons on their way to the playoffs we aren't in a position to turn away possible options. We're kind of desperate. Leave no stone unturned.

As far as Grier goes it is disappointing and I like him on a personal level but current outlook says he's yet another mid to late round whiff at quarterback the Panthers have become known for over the years added to the list of names such as Brett Basanez and Stefon Lefors. You have to accept it and move forward.

1 minute ago, PootieNunu said:

When he goes to another team fug him, he has not done enough as a panther to deserve any type of team transfer loyalty. 

Why the hostility? He can't throw to himself.

5 minutes ago, davos said:

Seriously, there's something weird about Teddy that makes me dislike him more than the Clausen and Hackenburgs of the world.  He seems like such a great dude but holy hell, get off our football team.

Doesn't help matterd to guide the team to a 1-5 divisional record while chumming it up on the Saints bench in a bitter loss in the Superdome. Some of the ire he has brought on himself no doubt.

With the way Panthers fans are shunning him I wouldn't be at all shocked if they take him and he turns out to be a stud for Shanahan. This place doesn't exactly have a sterling rep with draft predictions.

5 minutes ago, BleedinGreenNC said:

Thought this was a public forum? LOL!! Get ready for Teddy!

You'll need thicker skin than that to make it through another season my man. We have already witnessed Jimmy Clausen and David Carr wearing white gloves. This is child's play by comparison.

1 minute ago, BleedinGreenNC said:

Credit for what?

You get lost on your way to the Jets board?

Sounds like you are taking mimicking your favorite football team to the extreme.

You have to give the Fins credit. In the past they have been quite the dumpster fire but they are making big moves and have serious assets.

The Panthers can't even out tank the Falcons or WFT.

27 minutes ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

There's no reason for Teddy Bridgewater to ever start for us again. He's just good enough to keep us out of a prime draft pick. If we don't land a QB somehow I'd just assume start Will Grier and hope he either emerges as a viable QB or is bad enough that we end up with the #1 pick next year.

Or we could just move on from both duds and start PJ Walker if we are actually rebuilding. But the amount of cap space we have incinerated in just one and a half offseasons for a team that has 2 wins within the division since 2019 kind of says otherwise. We have a front office that can't decide what they want to do. Is it any wonder we are saddled with a backup quarterback being paid 20 million a year?