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I have 4 tickets each for the Dallas & Green Bay games.  Willing to sell to Panthers fans at face value.

These are good seats, just have plans (and I wasn't going to overrule my wife when we suck this bad).

Mods can move this if need-be if this isn't the right forum.  Wanted to offer here to Panthers fans first before I just sell on the secondary market for the most money.  I've never sold out in 18 years to opposing fans but screw this organization for not putting a better product on the field for 6 straight years.

Section 540, Row 19 Seats 9-12.

Please DM me if interested.

1 hour ago, Thorrez said:

Pure off the ball I wouldn't pay, but as he is a good pass rusher go for it.

But as good as he has been I think we can lock him up around $10-12M

I think $17-18M is probably more realistic, and that number is going up if Frankie keeps playing at the level he is.

19 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, if you look at Luvu's stretch of starts since arriving.  It's not Luke.  But it's probably better than Beason.  Obviously, it's not  fair sample size to really make that head to head but Luvu has been dang good. 

Perfect comparison.  And Beason was a pro-Bowler so that's not faint praise.

Nobody else will ever be Luke, but we finally have another Pro-Bowl caliber LB.

If we could ever have the luck as a franchise on WR's or CB's we've had on LB's it would great.

On 10/30/2023 at 2:49 PM, CLG said:

Completely agree. To me, with his playing style I really don’t see his “physical limitations” hindering him from being as successful at this level as he has been up to this point. He scans the field quickly and already throws with great anticipation so he will only get the ball out quicker with more reps and receivers that can win matchups. Along with that, he is twitchy which is good to how he plays and evades (although I think he is also figuring out how he can evade in the NFL as opposed to college) but he also has enough speed and makes good decisions when he decides to take off with it. Not like we’ve seen him try and pull a Cam and just start juking and outrunning people cause Cam just knew he could. When he takes off the coast has been pretty clear with maybe one defender to juke for good yardage. 

Physically, the only thing I’d like to see from him that I think could benefit how he plays is added strength (can open a different element to his game if he can have a different gear in regard to putting more zip on the ball whenever he has to) and gaining a little bit more weight/muscle so we don’t see arm tackle sacks happen so often. Fitterer already mentioned in the off-season that they have plans for both of those things in place with the strength coaches and nutrition so those things are on the way. 

Good analysis.  Bryce is going to get stronger.  He's only what 21 or 22?

Remember CMC getting drug down by arm tackles during his rookie season?  Everyone said Kamara was better and CMC wouldn't be able to run in between the tackles at the NFL level.  CMC bulked up and nobody remembers saying that now.

Bryce's height isn't an issue.  We've seen that at Bama and now the NFL.  Bryce had 3 batted balls on Sunday, Bryce none.  

In some respects, Bryce is probably more cognizant of throwing lanes than most QB's b/c of his height.  Regardless, he's on pace to have less batted balls as a rookie than Cam did.

As long as he continues to add muscle as he matures and tries to avoid big hits, there's nothing else he can do.

And if you look at the statistics, "smaller" QB's don't get hurt anymore frequently than big QB's.  Look at Anthony Richardson this year.  Sh*t happens, and anyone can get injured.

Bryce has already proved he can take big hits and still keep his composure.

18 minutes ago, Ghostface Chilla said:

UCE (short for Uso) would be a good chant to get going and hopefully stick. The commentators said that it's gaining traction on the locker room too, as it means BRO or BROTHER. It would be great to get some of my fellow Pacific Islander culture spreading in the Charlotte. 

I'm glad it's gaining traction.  We got to get this fanbase back.  Everybody remembers the joy of screaming "Luke" when #59 made a play.

We finally got another dawg at LB we can get behind like that.

1 hour ago, Mage said:

We need to go out and get as bruiser in the offseason.  Hubbard has improved but he's still a poor option as a short-yardage back and right now our inability to pick up 2-3 yards when we really need it on the ground is stalling our offense.

Insane part was we had the right 3 headed attack last year.  Sanders was an all-time FA bust.  Hubbard is great but we just need a short yardage back.  Just a bad, bad decision in retrospect not to resign Foreman.

Finally, you have to credit Hubbard so much.  Evidently him and Tremble stayed everyday after practice working on the JUGS machines and it's paying off.

Hubbard saw early on with CMC what the standard was for a RB1 in the NFL.  And he was worked his ass off to get to that point.  Nothing but respect.

The more I think about it, the more I can definitely say that is the greatest LB performance I've seen in person since Luke in the 2015 NFC Championship game.

I don't know if everyone can truly appreciate what a special player you have to be to line up and beat an offensive lineman that has 60+ pounds on you for a sack on one play and still be able to effectively play coverage against a NFL caliber player on the next.

I know we have been spoiled as a franchise by incredible LB play, but Frankie's performance on Sunday deserves recognition on its own.  

Luvu wasn't 100%, our defense was decimated, and he still came out and did everything he could on defense to help get the win.  Definition of a champion!!

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He's more than the defensive player of the year, hell he's our team MVP through the first half of the season.

I was at the game.  I'm not sure if television did justice to just how damn good a performance Frankie had.  It's been years since we've seen a Panthers LB have a performance like that. He was everywhere.

12 Tackles (2 for Loss), 1 Sack, and 2 Passes Defended.

He literally did it all. And got to do it as a professional in front of his mom for the 1st time.  What a game to have with your mom there!!

And finally, with what happened with Reddick, I will lead the riot on Mint St. if we don't resign Luvu.

During the "Moose" chants during the game Sunday for the Hall of Honor Ceremony, it got me thinking about Luvu.

We had the "Moose" chant for Muhammed, the "Hoov" chant for Brad Hoover, "Luke" needs no explanation.

I think Frankie has gotten to that level.

Did my best in Section 540 to start the "Uce" chant every time he makes a play.  Going to try to keep spreading it this weekend too.

Would be awesome if we could start that as a fanbase.  Anyway, I'll be screaming it with my boys every time #49 makes a play on Sunday.  Hopefully, we'll hear some more people joining in.

58 minutes ago, travisura said:

I don't understand the inclination to trade Dalton. He's a good, experienced backup that is mentoring Bryce through his first NFL season. Y'all would give that up for a 5th? And who would our backup be?

IMHO we have McCown to feel the veteran role.  We are in a good situation to recoup some much-needed draft capital with Dalton.  I think it would be foolish not to pursue.

If Bryce goes down, is it really going to matter for this season who the QB is?  I'd rather have the draft capital b/c Bryce is the long-term guy and we're not making a run this year.

7 minutes ago, Craig Cartner said:

Given the situation of the Vikings (QB out for the year) can we and should we try and get something for the REDROCKET?

 

Bryce is our guy.  If we can get a 5th for Andy, I think it should be a no-brainer.  Better situation for Dalton, too.

4 hours ago, GPantherfan said:

We are tipping off our run game somehow and the coaches need to figure out what’s up.

 

Got to be something.  It's absolutely atrocious.

Bryce overcoming a non-existent run game, several inexcusable drops, and getting absolutely crushed quite a few times and still hung in there and threw some of the best passes we've seen from a Panthers QB in 6+ years.

To me, the only untouchable players to trade this year if I'm Fitterer:

• Bryce Young
• Taylor Moton
• Icky Ekwonu
• Adam Theilen (massive surprise but he's our only dependable receiver)
• Mingo (just b/c he's a rookie and I think he can develop with Bryce)
• Brian Burns (unless we get at least 2 1sts or the equivalent and even then, I probably wouldn't)
• Derrick Brown
• Jaycee Horn
• Frankie Luvu

Trading Horn would be another failure.  He's had bad luck with freak injuries.  It can happen to anyone.  I can't imagine how much worse this place would be had we taken AR and then him gotten hurt and out for the year.

Horn's also the only CB on the roster who can play man against legit WR1.  If you haven't noticed, the Panthers play way more zone than they did Week 1 before Horn got hurt.  It does very much change the defense, and not in a good way.  

Our defense sucks b/c the pass rush is not consistently getting pressure (mostly b/c Burns & Brown are doubled and no one else can win).  And b/c of this, QB's have the time to pick our zone apart, just like Tua did in an easy clinic.

And we saw what happened when Evero got tired of watching Tua destroying our zone and decided to get more aggressive... he put 26 one-on-one with Hill and that was the easiest money all day...

Just like Burns, other than a franchise QB, elite pass rushers and elite CB's are the most valuable positions on the roster.

Trading Horn would be one of the stupidest moves this FO could make.

11 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Bingo 

They also had picked & were dedicated to the Justin Fields project.  I don't think this is the smoking gun point you think it is...

#1 Overall.  I hate it here.

Bryce is going to show you why in 2 weeks when he outplays Stroud. 

God we need to win so this place will be more worthwhile to spend some time here...

The past is over... the ink is dry... and we have our QB.  And yet the bitching must go on...

I have been as pissed as any fan about how this season has went, but I am 1000000% ride or die with Bryce.  IMHO, anyone who has watched him play and not been impressed with both his play and composure with this trainwreck of an offense around him, I just don't know.

I'm honestly ready for the Bryce haters to leave so we can move on with the people that are left.

Here's the thing... Hardly anyone here wanted Stroud during the draft.  The people who didn't want Bryce wanted Anthony Richardson, and he's probably out for the year with a shoulder injury.

The revisionist history in this place is like The Twilight Zone.

Bryce has thrown at least 4 passes that should have been caught as TD's.  He's not perfect, but anyone who thinks he is even among the top 5-8 issues on this team is objectively wrong.

Every single time Bryce starts to get any rhythm whatsoever, there has been a stupid procedural penalty on the offense or a dropped pass.  That's the thing- there is no one culprit for why the offense sucks. 

Almost every offensive player has screwed up.  This points inevitably to coaching being the biggest issue.

I'm a coach.  If you lead your league in penalties, your team lacks discipline.  That's on the coaches first & foremost.

I'm all-in on Bryce. Listen to Nick Saban, Bill O'Brien, Mike McDaniels, Aaron Rodgers... these aren't bullsh*tters, and they all know Bryce has what it takes.  Not a single QB in the league, let alone a rookie, would look good as effed up as this offensive operation is.

I'm not even remotely all-in on Frank Reich and the rest of this coaching staff thus far...

4 minutes ago, BIGH2001 said:

I don’t feel like we are any closer to being a playoff team than we were 5 years ago. We missed the playoffs from 97-02 in what was previously the worst and most depressing run in franchise history, capped off by 1-15 in 2001. We are now well past that with little reason for optimism. fug you Tepper.

Good point.  We are rapidly approaching objectively the worst period in franchise history in terms of winning/losing.  To a level where in 2001 Richardson said all the energy had been sucked from the franchise when he fired Seifert...

Think about that, we are beyond the point in 2001 in terms of how long we have sucked.  5 years of sucking in the NFL is remarkable... only the trifecta of bad coaching, bad drafting/free agency, and bad luck can get you there.  And here we are...

And I know all this baggage ain't fair to Reich and especially Bryce, but the baggage exists.

Us fans should not have to feel bad... we have given our support to this team, and the return on our investment has been almost zero.  Tepper wouldn't tolerate this in the financial world.

It is on Tepper to fix it

4 minutes ago, CarolinaRideorDie said:

If you're logging on to the Huddle to find optimism, this is the wrong place my friend. You'll find more joy and optimism at a funeral. 

This is just a group therapy session for me.  I've been conditioned by years of disappointment... It's only Week 3, and I'm on past anger and denial and have already reached the acceptance phase.

2 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

I have really thought about if we should change the Keep Pounding slogan to simply "Next Year."  You know, because thats usually the most common phrase used here once we hit about week 8 every season.

And here's the worst part.  No true Panther fan wants to get rid of Keep Pounding, but they also can't expect fans to muster the energy to give that chant its due when the team sucks this bad and has for the past 5 seasons and counting.

I do like and would support a Next Year chant though, b/c that's really the only thing the present ownership and management is offering...

2 minutes ago, Newtcase said:

Not to make it worse, but it's effectively down 2.5 games to Atlanta and New Orleans at the moment.

This actually made me laugh... thank you!

I do appreciate the people on this board.  As disappointed as I am about the start of this season, it just stings so much worse b/c I bought into the offseason bs and really got my boys hyped that this year would be different in a bad division.

One of my best friends from college moved out to KC after graduation.  You have fans out there upset when they don't win every game convincingly, and I just want to get to the point where I'm not embarrassed by the product on the field and the other teams' fans filling up our stadium and laughing at us...

6 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

We haven’t done poo since the first half of 2018. No improvement and it doesn’t look like it’s getting any better. I hate to be so negative, but damn, it’s not good. 

This.  Over 5 freaking years.  We are and have been one of if not the worst team in the NFL.

I just want a team I can be proud of, and that my boys can be proud of.  We're a laughingstock.  There's no reason to pretend otherwise.

I keep waiting and thinking we're at rock bottom since 2018, and yet the bottom of the abyss continues to sink... it effing sucks man, and after 5+ years, there's no reason for us to sugarcoat it as fans.

I'm usually optimistic to the point of being annoying, but I'm struggling.

It's truly hard to be this bad 6 years in a row in the NFL.  Like, with NFL parity, this should not happen, but here we are... 0-2 for the 4th time in 5 years.  Down 2 games to every other team in the division and Week 3 just started...

I have tried for 5 years to get my sons (12 & 10) into the Panthers.  My oldest has seen 5 Panthers wins and home in 4 years (not counting Covid).  5 games out of 22 he's been to.  An effing 22% win rate.  Less than 1 out of 4...

My kids are apathetic towards the Panthers... how can I blame them?

I haven't failed as a father or a Panthers fan... this team and franchise has failed us.  It pains me that my kids can't get into the Panthers, but what has the team done to earn their trust or support?  

5+ years is a long, long time to suck as a kid.  Hell, it's been brutal for us adults....

It's certainly not fair to put this all on Bryce or Reich for that matter, but the bottom line is that there is no energy left in this fanbase.  We've tried...  I honestly just feel defeated.  

I truly wish I could give you something, but I can't.  Like my kids said, if this product, especially on offense, is what we are getting with this all-star cast, WTF didn't we just keep Wilks...

Last night on the drive home was the 1st time I've really considered pulling the plug on my PSL's I've held since 2006...  If anyone wants my tickets (Section 540 Row 19) at cost the rest of the year, they're yours, just DM me.

I've been a good fan, too, but BOA is well on its way to being taken over yet again this year.  I cannot fathom the embarrassment and humiliation waiting on the poor bastards who show up to the Cowboys (home) game.  I can't do that to my boys or for my mental health.

Anyway, you've posed an important question without a clear answer, other than to focus on other parts of your life that aren't this detrimental to your mental health.

7 hours ago, Call Me James said:

He’s been unimpressive for a number one over all pick so far.

 

his physical traits were always something we questioned and folks were told his mental acuity would be the difference maker.

 

let’s just see how he turns out. We’re stuck with this project for at least 2 more years.

I'm not trying to be mean, but I don't think you know what you're talking about here.  This wasn't Cam throwing to Steve Smith or Greg Olsen or hell even Brandon LaFell out there.  Guys were not getting open, plain and simple.  

If you're going to make statements like this, you need film to back it up.  Bryce tried to fit a couple of balls in extremely tight coverage and paid for it.  But you know why he was even attempting that throw- b/c literally no one was getting separation.

You have the right to say whatever nonsensical things you want to say.  But expect some push back b/c this is sheer ignorance.

If you want to dump Bryce after one game (and especially a game where his receivers probably got the least separation of any group in the league), go ahead, but I can't take anything you write on here serious going forward.

Bryce is near the bottom of the list of concerns.  He made a couple of bad decisions, but when you're a rookie making your first start on the road and dealing with a receiving group that absolutely could not separate, how could you not trying to make something happen.  His arm is fine.  And his decision making for the most part.  Lack of full speed reps showed big time yesterday with timing.

No worries about offensive line, either.  No line is going to look perfect down 2 TD's in the 4th in obvious passing situations.

Anyway, yesterday was obviously disappointing, but most of it can be attributed to turnovers.

The 2 things that concern me:

1) Passing game has to make substantial improvements to have any chance

2) Secondary depth is yet again a concern.

That being said, our defense and the offensive line looked too good to just write the season off.  

Receivers have to be better, and they have to be schemed better. Bottom line.  

If guys get open, Bryce will find them.  I know he missed Mingo on the go route, but it was the right read and it goes back to timing.  Bryce certainly did not look lost out there at all.