Seltzer

Just let them score so we can see the offense again...

I don't know what there is even here to evaluate on defense bc a lot of the guys and this whole scheme will be different next year

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

They clearly don't want to win

Calling any pass plays at all against this run defense is indicative of tanking

2 hours ago, flagfootballcoach28 said:

He’s still better than Blackshear or Boone

And there's an outside chance he's back next year with Brooks hurt and the fact we won't save much by cutting him.

I still think it's more likely than not Sanders isn't on the team next year but with the Brooks injury and the fact that neither Blackshear nor Boone looked adequate, it is a possibility.

RB is a major need behind Chuba

51 minutes ago, Mistuh Jones said:

in what alternate dimension did Cam have weapons

You wouldn't take D'Angelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart, Greg Olsen, Ed Dickson, Steve Smith, Ted Ginn, Brandon LaFell, DJ Moore, or Curtis Samuel over the group Bryce is working with???!!

Almost every single one of those players are better than anyone Bryce has had so far... that's just objective truth.

People complained about Cam not having as many weapons as some QBs, but there was not a single year he didn't have better weapons than Bryce.

And this is coming from someone who, like most of the rest of the fanbase, thought we didnt give Cam enough help.

The Olines were dogshit some years for sure, but the idea Cam didn't have weapons compared to Bryce is just wrong.

I can't think of a single QB that has had less to work with skill positions wise than Bryce has had his 1st 2 seasons... at least we fixed the Oline this year.

3 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

You have to

100% right on this. Icky isn't perfect, but Oline is one of the few strengths on this team and you need to keep it intact.

I wish Icky was better in pass protection, but it would be a crapshoot to find someone better and the team needs to use their resources elsewhere.

Look at me totally agreeing with @mrcompletely11...

It must be a new year... 

Happy New Years everyone!

8 minutes ago, PadresPanthersFan said:

I agree on evero. His whole tenure here I think hes been overrated.  I don't think any of his defenses have been very good and this year has been historically bad. 

And denvers d has been great since his departure 

Very good point.

My additional thought is he is the last vestige of the Frank Reich Era... we need something new next season

31 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Cam had a great run game. One of the best tight ends.  

Plus a much better defense.  

Say what you want.

Early in his career, Cam had Deangelo Williams & Jonathan Stewart, a good Oline, Greg Olsen, and Smitty.

The Oline is probably overall a wash, but Cam otherwise had better weapons across the board.

The Oline got progressively worse the longer Cam was here, but in his first few seasons he had a legit supporting cast

Remove the last vestiges of the Frank Reich Era...

Evero has to go. Bryce is and was the main story this season, but the defense, specifically the run defense, was the biggest issue, and it never got better

Bowles has at least called off the dogs. He can't help it that we can't stop obvious runs

1 minute ago, OneBadCat said:

Worst tackling I’ve seen on the professional level.

It's almost comical

Just now, MGH1989 said:

lol people making threads about not getting over the hump with Bryce.

 

he isn’t the problem folks.

Maybe the problem is honestly that we've been bad so long people have lost perspective.

Bryce (and Theilen) have been the only bright spots today.

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

30 of 32?  Link?

I'm never going to engage with a goof like you on here again.

Not trying to be mean, but my time is too valuable than to get into the mud with a MAGA incel.

Have a great day!

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

I've never seen a draft prospects where all the "experts" were so willing to completely overlook obvious red flags. Usually draft prospects get picked apart.

The vast majority of Panthers fans are on board with Bryce at this point.

Honest to God the only Panthers fans still whining about last year's draft are on this board.

I'm thankful people on this board (myself included) aren't allowed to run this team.

30 of 32 GMs wanted Bryce. But amazingly this board is home to supposedly everyone in the world who just "knew."

The kid is playing QB as well as anyone since Cam here.

It used to be insufferable... now it's just sad.

You got to move on or pick another team

I've watched the majority of snaps in Panthers history, and not only do the stats back up this being the worst defense in franchise history, this is the most painful I've ever seen.

Outside of Jaycee, pretty much everything about this defense is beyond embarrassing.

Just now, Ornias said:

Honestly surprised Tampa is still playing Evans and Baker. 

Trying to get that record

Just now, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

Still think NE would have gotten him over us

Unless we finished the season on the same trajectory we were when Bryce got benched we weren't getting Travis Hunter.

And QB development is far more important than that hypothetical in every context

Just now, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

refs making poo up

I don't even care other than I want to watch the offense more

Just now, L-TownCat said:

There’s at least one guy here ready to die on Evero hill.

Evero will land on his feet. Regardless of circumstances, you got to clean house after historical suckage like this

I can't watch another season of Evero.

It's not all on him, but we need to erase all vestiges of Frank Reich

No one can defend how bad this defense has been. And Evero can't escape culpability 

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Really nice first and last drive of the half. Really trash on between.

As long as that's the prognosis of the whole team and not just cherry picked against Bryce i agree.

He wasn't perfect, but he has played his ass off with Theilen as his WR1 and no run game and the defense playing like the worst unit of all time

1 minute ago, jb2288 said:

It's because they want to be correct about Bryce so bad, it's much easier to pick apart every single throw that isn't perfect and put the blame on him. It was an underthrown ball with pressure in his face. XL should have at minimum extended his arms towards the ball and try to catch it. Both are true.  

thank you.

Just now, Aussie Tank said:

This defense is the worst I've ever seen 

That is the real story of this game and this season to be honest, regardless of whatever nonsense floats around here.

Nothing will improve until that is fixed, and Evero needs to go

1 minute ago, electro's horse said:

One of the things that makes discussing this iteration of the panthers offense so difficult is that so many people do not know what basic routes and throws are 

If you want to be an effing #1 WR in this league you got to help your QB on plays like this.

The fact that is debated in here astounds me

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That was not a back shoulder throw. XL was behind the coverage. You throw back shoulder when the DB is over the top or running step for step. I shouldn't have to explain this to someone who has been watching football dating back to the Delhomme/Smitty days.

That wasn't back shoulder it was a jump ball...

Do you really need a link to videos of Smitty making a living on jump balls...

Just now, jb2288 said:

No I'm not kidding. I expect a WR to use their hands. not pull them in to their body and try to cradle a ball

Smitty would have never made it as an NFL WR had he not made those catches when the play broke down...

This place is embarrassing when it comes to things like this...