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1 hour ago, Shotgun said:

Why does he have to be benched for a hail mary pass? He got a chance to redeem himself a couple of weeks ago and the ball went 7 yards. Every QB in the NFL can make that throw....except one. 

I wont get into QB sneaks.

When did he get benched for a Hail Mary pass? WTF are you talking about??!!

Cam did for Heinicke after his shoulder injury.

Do people on this board even watch the games?

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

sure but bryces arm is not better, no fuging way

Im never not impressed by how confidently wrong you are.

I've watched probably 200 NFL QBs play live. This talk about Bryce's arm strength is retarded, pure and simple. Bryce can make every throw an NFL QB needs to make in any circumstance.

Does he have an arm that makes you go wow all the time? No, but very few QBs truly do.

Bryce has plenty of zip on the ball when he wants. That TD to XL was a frozen rope. He throws to the opposite hash and outside all the time with no problem.

Bryce's arm is objectively stronger than Cam's post-injury. I've seen both live multiple times and I know.

And Cam could still play QB well without his rocket launcher.

OPs point remains. QB success relies on a lot of nebulous things.

Obviously you dont like Bryce. But his success is not going to be bc he doesn't have the arm strength.

Its embarrassing this is a thing. Go to some games and actually educate yourself.

2 hours ago, WUnderhill said:

There’s too many to reply to so I’ll just say a couple more things then I’m out:

1. It hasn’t been both ways and that’s the point. People saying stuff like “too bad Bryce Young didn’t make that tackle” is a direct result of the ridiculousness of blaming Bryce Young for literally everything. I remember one game day thread a poster unironically blamed Bryce Young for JT Sanders flipping onto his own neck and injuring himself. That post was pied. I literally just read a post blaming Bryce Young for XL dropping a ball on a would-be game winning drive last year. This past week, when Tmac bounced a ball off his hands for an interception, Bryce Young was immediately blamed in the game day thread. Alternatively, people who try to give credit to Bryce Young are immediately told that to credit Bryce Young is taking away credit from Rico Dowdle, OL, whoever, and that they shouldn’t be talking positively about Bryce Young because he doesn’t deserve any credit.

2. Yes, there have always been bad posters, the difference is that back then they were largely derided. Bryce Young’s rookie season, when many of us were simply pointing at the train wreck of the whole team and saying it was maybe a little tough to evaluate Bryce Young when he had no time to throw and slow receivers, and just saying basic stuff like “Bryce Young can physically throw the ball further than 20 yards.” There was an attempt made to limit all those opinions to a single thread, by a mod. This is like saying lunatics running the asylum is normal because there have always been lunatics in the asylum. The difference is before they were patients, now they’re in charge.

3. I know for a fact I am labeled as one of the “Bryce Stans” by many of the usual suspects, but the fact of the matter is they have no idea what my position is on Bryce Young because any attempts at nuanced discussion in the past have been so completely pointless due to never being able to get past the hyperbole. How can we have a serious conversation if you insist he is physically incapable of throwing a football 20 yards? Or if you insist that he somehow duped the Panthers into drafting him just by drinking water? Or if you insist that he should be able to succeed behind one of the worst offensive lines I’ve ever seen (rookie year, not now). And I’m not the only one, there are many who have left the huddle because of it and started a discord server, I’m just too lazy for another app.

100% why I stay away most of the time too.

Too many posters raised on the outrage culture of social media.

People who have played in the NFL constantly have said Bryce has what it takes with a legit team (which he is proving this year), but posters on here are insistent on telling you they know more than people who are on actual NFL payrolls.

Its not worth having a discussion with people that have lost the plot this bad

This is the best post in years, from a guy probably around when it was Carolina Growl a million years ago.

Appreciate your time and input!

I'm super excited about the guys we're getting back, and fortunately this year, outside of Robert Hunt, we haven't had any season-threatening injuries.

Rico has earned the start, but I am excited to have both available. 

The team is finally turning into the run-first team Canales said he wanted to be.

As for JT Sanders, I think he has lost the most be being out. He is probably our best receiving TE, but with the emergence of Mitchell Evans & with him and Tommy Tremble both absolutely balling in run blocking, it will be hard to fix something that isn't broken.

I'm hoping Turk Wharton can help with our pass rush. We really havent gotten to see him much due to injuries, but we desperately need anyone to provide some pass rush juice, which is what he was brought to do.

I'm the most excited about Jalen Coker returning. Theilen may have been the most clutch last year, but I've watched a lot of film, and Coker was the most consistent WR we had when he was out there last year.  I think he can be an ideal #2 to Tmac. While Coker doesn't have the raw athleticism XL does, his route running, savvy, and overall football IQ simply make him better. 

I think with the fact Coker can play both outside and in the slot will give our pass game more versatility.  We have been running a lot of 2 TE sets, and I think Tmac & Coker should be the primary WRs for 12 personnel.

The other WRs (XL, Tremayne, Renfrow, & Horn) all have roles, but I dont think any of them can fully replace what Coker can do.

I do think Renfrow will be inactive this week if everyone is healthy bc of how valuable Tremayne is for ST and as a run blocker.

So happy that we are playing meaningful football heading into November.

We are still almost certainly a year away, but we are absolutely moving in the right direction 

You the man @Icegefor putting this together!

7 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Obviously it would have to be like a season from Final Destination for them.  But those do happen.

Tampa was the defending SB Champions in 2003 and Sports Illustrated said our best chance to win the division was to move to the ACC.

And nothing Final Destination like happened that year (although the blocked XP in Week 2 was close). We just caught some breaks, played solid defense, and had the offense slowly gel over the season. We really were a 8-8 type team that got lucky a lot before turning it on in the playoffs and almost winning it all.

Anything for the most part can happen in the NFL.

I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if this team won 11 games. I also think 7 could happen as much as I hate to think about it.

But I'm going to enjoy it. This team is significantly better on offense than it has been in quite a few years.

The pass rush still worries me (as does Evero's scheme overall), but it would be hard to be more decimated by injuries on that side of the ball than we did last year.

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Spread is still 3.5

Vegas historically has given 3 points to the home team.

Basically see of as equal with the slight nod to the Jags. Totally fair

7 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

Sounds like both Gs will be playing   who knows about ickey.

This is the not panicked take.

Sucks about Icky but hopefully its only 1 game.

42 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Damn.    

Hunt came back for drills after tweaking his foot, but they pulled him out of precaution.

I dont think there's any real concern about Lewis & Hunt for Sunday.

I think it's a long shot for Icky to play though.

I really hope we are getting some of these random injuries out early and we will have health luck throughout the season.

Regardless, I'm glad we have depth, although I'm not pumped to see Yosh Nijman out there.

I've yet to see anything in his play that has warranted the investment by the team, but Sunday is his biggest chance yet to prove his value.

We'll see

36 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Remember when Gettleman yanked the tag off of Norman right before the draft and it just gutted our locker room and pretty much tanked our season before it even got started? Yeah, the timing on this move is way worse than that. This is being done basically on the eve of the season kicking off. Not only is the locker room getting shocked but now you have the coaching staff pretty much recreating their game plans. I guarantee you everyone in the organization fully expected Parsons to be there 

Underrated point. And I can definitely see the same thing happening in Dallas.

The Norman thing was so stupid. And I think (rightfully) it was the beginning of the end for Gettleman

39 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

not swapping Evero for Salah might be another blunder that bites this team in the ass.   We know without a shadow of a doubt that dude knows what he is doing on defense

It is wild given how incredibly impulsive Tepper has been in firing coaches that somehow the coach that oversaw the worst defense statistically ever was able to keep his job.

I thought Saleh would have been a shoe-in given their connection.

I hope Canales/Morgan/Tillis have someone in mind if/when they pull the plug on the Evero experiment 

1 minute ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

Only if someone doesn't pan out

Someone else is probably getting dumped for Jaden Crumedy

5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I post a 2 word stupid joke and you respond with a soliloquy about me including my personal life.  If thats not living rent free in your head I dont know what is 

You sound upset... thats not very becoming of a troll.

1st rule of trolling is doing the trolling and not being the one being trolled... right?

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

rent free comes to mind here

So, it is trolling...

You are low-key good at that, I'll give you that.

Like I said, I enjoy the banter. For real

8 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

BY shouldn't be the guaranteed starter for a few more years unless he earns it. That's how bad teams stay bad. If he does well, great. If he doesn't, it's time to look at the draft again. He's a sunk cost at this point. We, meaning coaches, have to be honest about his progression as a QB. If he's not the guy, as painful as it might be, bite the bullet and move on. 

I want Bryce to be successful. That means the Panthers can be successful. I just don't want to be attached for another contract just because we're afraid to look for something better. 

I get your point. And of course that could be the case. As it is with any QB. 

But I can tell you this, after the 2nd half of last season, it will take a complete collapse for the organization to pull the plug after this season.

My above point it, the entire organization is behind Bryce and thinks he is the guy. I do too.

And while I understand & respect the opinion of people not on board with BY9, this fixation and nonsense over a draft that happened over 27 months ago is insane.

Like, that MF horse has been beaten to death multiple times, resurrected, and shot in the head again and left for dead. Leave it in the effing ground.

We got much better things to discuss IMHO with the 2025 season getting ready to start.

A season I'm excited about

16 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

cj stroud

Well that fugging ship has sailed and is shipwrecked in the fugging Atlantic.

At some point either move on or go cheer for the Texans.

Bryce Young is going to be the starting QB here for quite a few more years...

With the overwhelming amount of mental anguish that seems to cause you, would finding another team not be the better option?? 

I'm sure the Texans would be more than happy to accept a CJ Stroud truther ex-Panthers fan.

Because, and I mean this genuinely as a Day 1 Panthers fan, WTF do you actually enjoy watching about this team?

Is it just hate watching? Is it to "prove" you're right about something? Is is simply to troll people on a message board?

I seriously would like to try to understand what it's about, b/c it's antithetical to everything I've ever understood Fandom to be about. I genuinely dont get it...

I get not liking everything your team does, but when you get to the point where you spew negativity at every single thing, the issue is more inward than outward I'm afraid.

Anyway, for the most part I really enjoy the banter, but it really does seem like your posts either drift towards covert trolling or irrational negativity.

I just hope you actually find some satisfaction in your personal life bc it certainly seems like the Panthers cause you nothing but mental anguish...

5 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

That’s no good, especially looking at Penix’s injury history in college. They have to keep him upright. 

They traded away their 1st next year also to get James Pearce Jr.

Really hope this blows up in the Falcons face.

I don't care how it happens, I just want to win the division this year.

Zero sympathy for other team's issues.

And our pass rush looks like it needs all the help it can get.

10/10. We're due for some good luck, and I think this team is much better than what we've had the last 2 seasons.

Defensive injuries could derail us b/c our depth there is still questionable. Still worried about the pass rush getting pressure without blitzing.

Pleasantly surprised by the secondary and run defense. 

Dan Morgan has done a lot to resurrect this roster from the deplorable position Fitterer left it in by showing some scouting chops with hitting on these guys drafted in the later rounds or UDFAs.

Lathan Ransom & Corey Thornton both look like they fit this scheme and the NFL isn't too big for them. 

I'm as excited for the rookie trifecta of T-Mac, Scourton, and Princely as I can remember.

On paper, this offense is the most talented since 2021, maybe 2017, and maybe 2015.

None of that means this team will produce any better, but this team has offensive talent & depth like we have rarely had in team history.

If you don't believe me, go Google it. We've had some awful offensive collections overall in many years, to varying degrees mitigated by superstar talents like Steve Smith, Christian Mccaffrey, or Cam Newton. 

I honestly think the collective offensive talent in 2025 may be better, but Cam was so otherworldly in 2015 & 2017 that he covered any flaws. Seriously, though, Cam doesnt get enough love for 2017. I think that may have been his best season. In general, Cam doesn't get enough respect IMHO. Both in college and in the NFL, Cam took teams that without him would have had no chance and won. True definition of a guy who elevated his team.

To be clear, I am in no way am I saying this team will be better than 2017 or 2015.

My point is that the offensive talent is there on offense if Bryce can unlock it. 

I've been a Bryce supporter, but there are no excuses not to perform with this group. This isn't the disaster we gave him in 2023 or a new scheme like in 2024 where I think he hadn't mentally removed from his rookie season to start.

I dont know how you couldnt be excited about that. And we still compete in a division that isn't insurmountable.

I got got in 2023 like most of us in buying into the team propaganda, but in general, I think I'm pretty realistic about the team.

I knew in my heart we would be bad last year. I wasnt expecting the defense to be that bad or Bryce to start off that poorly, but I had no expectations whatsoever for making the playoffs.

And I genuinely think we will be competitive all year this season.

I think we win 8-9 games and compete for the division.

I think the ceiling is 11 wins, and the floor is 7.

The good news is after next week, we will all be proven right or proven wrong.

Keep Pounding!

The Falcons have 2 significant offensive line injuries to start the 2025 season.

Right tackle Kaleb Mcgary (who is the blindside protector for Penix since he is left-handed) is going to miss significant time, and it's looking more like it may be all season.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/falcons-expect-kaleb-mcgary-to-miss-significant-time

https://x.com/BKsquared7/status/1959285822236107013.

Also, the top backup and swing tackle, Storm Norton (cool name BTW) is having ankle surgery and may miss half the season.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/falcons-ot-storm-norton-out-6-8-weeks-after-ankle-surgery

I don't root for injuries, but its also hard to be too sympathetic given how badly injuries have hit us in recent years.

We definitely need to get that W in week 3 for our home opener at BOA.

Despite our collective frustration at not being able to attend TC and then having boring preseason games, ultimately the most important objective of the preseason is to enter Week1 healthy, and we have at least done that.

Hopefully the depth we think we have at Oline either shines through or isn't needed. Many other teams are in a bad spot with their offensive lines before the season even starts. For once, we aren't in that situation.

The idea that we would eat any of his salary is absurd unless it's for a 4th

I'm old enough to remember when the Huddle turned it's nose up to Andrew Whitworth for being too old. 

We passed and he went to the Rams and played at a Pro Bowl level until his late 30s.

The front office has far more insight into Moton's health than anyone here. 

I'm happy we are keeping this group together 

9 minutes ago, Icege said:

Let's fn go Tommy!

One step closer to a healthy 1st string for opening day.

Hopefully nothing goes astray tonight.

This is one of the most fortunate preseasons I can remember in terms of injuries.

Hopefully this bodes well and continues into the season.

17 minutes ago, Bostonheelfish said:

You guys are nuts. He can set an edge and plays the run well. We need that badly. He’s not a top tier starter but he can whoop a tight end, and that helps limit offensive schemes. He’s strong and pretty tenacious. 

I don't mind him as a bottom of the roster player if we keep 6 OLBs.

But, if we only keep 5:

DJ Wonnum, Pat Jones, Nic Scourton, & Princely Umanmielen are locks. 

That leaves DJ Johnson competing with Thomas Incoom for the final spot.

Both play ST. Johnson may be a little better against the run, but Incoom has proven to be a much better pass rusher.

And I think that should give Incoom the edge bc we need all the pass rush help we can get.