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10 hours ago, frankw said:

And there is also the elephant in the room which is the salary cap allocation to his side of the ball which is bottom 5 in the league for the year.

And the draft pick allocation.  '25: 1st O 2nd D; '24: 1st O 2nd O; '23: 1st O 2nd O '22: 1st O 2nd O. Let the man get a first rounder for a change.  My preference is Arvell Reese but no way he drops to us. Looks like a man among boys on the field.  I've seen him rush and cover the slot too.  

On 12/4/2025 at 11:16 AM, raleigh-panther said:

Dana forecasted number 15

1. Cleveland Browns (from TEN)*: Fernando Mendoza, QB, Indiana
 

2. Las Vegas Raiders (from NYG)*: Dante Moore, QB, Oregon

3. New Orleans Saints: Arvell Reese, edge/LB, Ohio State
 

4. New York Giants (from LV)*: Carnell Tate, WR, Ohio State
 

5. Tennessee Titans (from CLE)*: Keldric Faulk, edge, Auburn
 

6. Washington Commanders: Rueben Bain Jr., edge, Miami
 

7. New York Jets: Jordyn Tyson, WR, Arizona State
 

8. Arizona Cardinals: David Bailey, edge, Texas Tech
 

9. Los Angeles Rams (from ATL): Spencer Fano, OT, Utah
 

10. Cincinnati Bengals: Caleb Downs, S, Ohio State
 

11. Minnesota Vikings: Jeremiyah Love, RB, Notre Dame
 

12. Miami Dolphins: Mansoor Delane, CB, LSU
 

13. Kansas City Chiefs: Kenyon Sadiq, TE, Oregon

14. Pittsburgh Steelers: Ty Simpson, QB, Alabama
 

15. Carolina Panthers: Peter Woods, DT, Clemson
 

16. Dallas Cowboys: Jermod McCoy, CB, Tennessee
 

17. Detroit Lions: Kadyn Proctor, OT, Alabama

Yikes, that is not a good draft for us.  I would go Francis Mauigoa OT Miami in that scenario, but I would much prefer a LB or Edge considering we don't need Moton's replacement until '27.   

The Saints reached (was thought to be more like a late 2nd early 3rd not no. 8 in the second) for a 26 yo qb prospect in the draft so they obviously saw something the believed in so i think they hold off on using their first rounder on a qb. That means they can trade down for someone who wants one of the top three guys.  

6 minutes ago, Castavar said:

I think Sam Howell would absolutely kill it in Canales' system. Throw a late rounder the Eagles way and go get him. Still only 25 too. Low risk high reward. 

Howell is an UFA in 2026 so it would not cost anything. For those who want to cut Dalton, that would be a 5.8M cap hit.  They guaranteed 5.9M of Dalton's salary because they thought he was a good mentor for Bryce so the plan is obviously to keep them both in '26, which really means they plan to pick up the fifth year option in May.  Adding a Sam Howell or third round draft pick in '26 makes sense even though it limits roster spots.  Dalton is Bryce's security blanket.  

11 minutes ago, Lemur Lathon said:

Dalton should retire.

Why? He signed a contract that says he gets paid 3.9M next year as a 39 year old or we take a 5.8M cap hit.  He would be a fool to walk away from that.  

I hope we sign Icky but the more i look at the '26 draft the more i think we are in a good place for tackles. Moton is signed through '27 so....

There are several options for BY:

1. Cut him now and incur a 12M cap hit=no.

2. Keep him for 2026 and risk (.0001%) him balling out and leaving in FA=no.

3. Wait until April 23 for the draft to see if we get a qb=yes.

4. Decide before May 1 whether to exercise the fifth year, which would cost us 26M in '07=yes.

He would not be a big cap hit liability, but then we really need to move up the wr position in the draft or fa.  

2 hours ago, LegioX said:

If they extend Bryce after this season, I AM DONE. I will not watch another damn panther game until his ass is gone behind center. My god 2015 feels like yesterday but was so long ago. Man I miss the days of Cam Newton.

Bryce is under contract through 2026 with an option for 2027.  

Quote

"We're all riding high on Bryce Young, but what if he's not as good as we think he is?" Cohen asked. "This year, his salary is $10 million. His dead cap hit... is $22 [million]. Next year, his salary is $12M on the team and $12M off the team. It makes it easier to say, 'Bryce, we tried; it just didn't work.'"

SI article from this summer.

No and that is saying something.  After the way Tepper handled Reich, he was the best we could get.  

1 hour ago, thennek said:

Of course the Panthers squandered the draft picks. I would add DJ Moore to the list as well. What a stupid decision to trade him. 

There has been so little talent on this team over the past five years that letting their best players go always seemed stupid to me.

This^

Sign Marcus Mariota as FA and trade for Will Levis (6th or later). Cut Bryce and Andy.   

14 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Worst of the defense

15. ILB Krys Barnes: 50.5

16. ILB Bam Martin-Scott: 49.5

I know they are backups but our starters should be the backups.  Arvell Reese please.  

3 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

He's was joking that they were foolish to give him a contract at all, or that's my take on it. This is a self-inflicted disaster. 

Yes exactly.  The Dalton deal looks worse every day. 

Good thing we gave Andy Dalton a new contract.  

I think we finish 7-10 and will pick after Mendoza, Moore, and Simpson are off the board.  

1 hour ago, HPPantherzfan said:

Purdy?

I really like Purdue but Mac Jones has shown it is more of the coach/system than the qb and Purdy makes more than Herbert, Jackson, Hurts, Stafford, etc. 

49ers always seem to make questionable decisions and they never really seem to pay the price. Lance, Purdy, Aiyuk all seem like wastes of draft capital and cap space.  

They still have Chris Godwin, Tev Johnson, and Egbuka.  They could also get Evans and Irving back for the regular season finish.  I'm thinking Baker doesn't miss too many games. Sorry, not seeing us winning the division.  

I think we see some regression to the mean, and we end up picking at no. 11.  Arvell Reese LB OSU come on down.  He is moving into the top ten on a lot of mocks which is surprising for an off ball linebacker so we may not even be around (I think three qb's go in front of us though).  We could take and edge (Davide Bailey TTU) or a DT (Peter Woods CU), but I don't want to see us reach for the injured CB out of Tennessee (Jermod McCoy). 

12 hours ago, outlaw4 said:

4. What the pass pro?

Icky got beat quick a couple of times and then Zavala was just whiffing on guys running down hill.   Dalton would not have survived that game.  

This guy is great. Loved the Packers one too. Keep them coming. Thanks.  

Don't we have until May 1, 2026 to exercise the fifth year option for Bryce? If so, i think we take a wait and see approach since next year is still a bargain for us.  It would be so stupid to give BY an extension.  He will be here in '26 though.  

1 hour ago, OldhamA said:

Luckily they're the cheapest and easiest guys to find.

Oh.

As things now stand (picking 10-17...that's right, we are moving back in the draft right now from 16 to 17), we would probably have to take the 4th best edge rusher (Bailey Texas Tech) in the draft if we went that route.  

2 hours ago, Shaqil915 said:

Has Bryce ever hit a dude deep in stride like he did today with XL? Im pretty sure thats the first time he's done it in 3 years. No its not a DC issue, in fact, the scheme and receiver play was great today. Receivers were running free all day. 

Yes.