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4 hours ago, BEASTfromdaEAST said:

To OP,

They have tried to "open up the offense" and let him sink or swim.  He sunk......quickly like a bag of fn rocks filled with cement.

When a QB lacks velocity and arm strength those down field throws that they were able to make in college against subpar CBs (even in SEC 99% CFB don't make NFL rosters) gets picked off.  Defensive pressures are different so Canales playbook is what is HAS TO BE. Check downs and pound the rock which I am fine with.  I Just don't want the BY supporting homers out there not giving Dowdle and the OLINE their due to fit their ridiculous narrative giving thinking the problem is the solution.

I am excited for when this team has an actual NFL QB and what this coaching staff can put together.  As of now they are doing the best with what they have IMO.  That is something that is promising once DM and DC find their QB 

I feel this isn’t fair. Bryce isn’t throwing a lot of INTs, he had a lower int % last year than Baker and many other starting quarterbacks and his rookie year he only ranked 16 in INT %. Then you have to consider some of the horrible WR play that led to INTs.

On 11/5/2025 at 6:54 PM, kungfoodude said:

He was terrible to start last year, he had a hell of a streak and then he got injured and never has really produced much since.

At this point, the good games appear to be the outlier. 

Evans has popped immediately and looks to potentially be our best TE on the roster. Give him more reps. Could backfire but what are we losing by reducing Sanders snaps?

I don’t know if people realize that Evan’s was one of the top TE prospects in college  before having some horrible injuries. I wanna say he had two major injuries in back to back seasons which limited his play and dropped his draft stock.

15 hours ago, electro's horse said:

finished 7-10 and missed the playoffs. 

Yeah but Wilkes took over after we already was the worst team in the league and had a winning record and took us from the worst team to around the 7th worst team and we did that with PJ walker as Qb for most of those games

20 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Give me Sam Howell and draft another one. Canales rehabbed Baker Mayfield to the extent that it got him a head coaching gig. Skill set and mentality wise, Sam Howell is basically Baker Mayfield.

I think Sam Howell has potential. He’s just turned 25 and has experience. He had a horrible offensive line in Washington and not really a good WR corp. I also wouldn’t mind Mac Jones or Trey Lance. I think Lance has potential too. Yes he looked bad in SF but he was very young and it can take a few years for Qbs to develop and the right system. I think we can give him another chance. I honestly want us to have a QB who could possibly be a full time starter and win for us,  Andy dalton isn’t that. Bryce could also improve but I rather be safe than sorry.

4 minutes ago, RJK said:

Google Yoel Romero if u want to be amazed by modern medicine. He’s still fighting at 48 and looks like this after neck fusion surgery from almost being paralyzed 

To be fair, after seeing Thomas Davis come back from what, 4 ACL surgeries in 4 years? I feel like any player can come back.

No the sad thing is it’s very sustainable. It just is very very boring football. Our defense isn’t great but it’s good enough to keep up in games. We can run the ball on anyone which gives us a chance every game as long as we don’t commit turnovers.

I remember us basically using the exact same gameplan when Wilkes took over. PJ Walker and Sam Darnold at QB, just running the ball down teams throats.

9 hours ago, Tomcatn said:

 

Evans really needs to be getting more PT. Especially over Sanders

 

 

Don't forget who our head coach is.

TE is a position that takes time to develop. I’m not expecting much this year but I do think he can be a good starting TE in the future.

maybe I’m wrong but I just don’t see anything in Sanders. He just catches a few short passes and falls down as soon as he gets touched. I don’t think he’s a good blocker either.

13 minutes ago, RJK said:

It’s common in wrestling and mma but I’ve never heard of a NFL player with it before 

I decided to google it and apparently there have been multiple players to come back, I saw one claim a 87% return rate and a 2018 claim that 71% of players with that injury came back.

most notable is Peyton Manning who also had multiple neck surgeries.

So I guess it’s possible. I also saw somewhere that you’ll be about 80% of what you was before but idk if I can believe that.

1 hour ago, Carolina Cajun said:

Yes, but kinda only mostly yes.   So I said it a while back both here and on twitter.  If you have a bad O-line, the answer is simple. Run. The. Ball.  Pass blocking is a FAR more difficult thing to do.  It requires high IQ players understanding blocking assignments and where rush is coming from.  On the flip side, if you have a bad O-line, RUN THE BALL!  It simplifies the game plan for them.  instead of trying to catch where pressure is and playing with great technique, you can just so "See guy, hit guy", hat on a hat, hard nose football.  The More I watch, the more I also do give huge props to rico because he is so explosive.  He's a one cut and go guy where as chuba is a more patient runner in the backfield, and when we had great O-line play last year, it works AMAZING.  Rico hides meh run blocking because hes off before the defense has a chance to try to move the blockers.  its just incredible explosiveness from him.

So as I said, its great coaching by the O-line coaches, but its also great understanding by canales to just grind and run and great job by our banged up unit to keep performing at a high level.  

While I understand and agree to a degree, I think we still did a good job on pass protection. We still threw the ball 20 times and didn’t even allow a pressure by Parsons. We gave up just one sack total. So I think that shows our depth is doing well.

I also think having a successful system with players who are experienced with the players and the playbook also helps.

Offensive linemen get hurt a lot and yet top teams find ways to keep their team going at a high level when injuries occur.

When a coach can get the players he wants or being able to keep players for multiple years so they have familiarity, it helps over come injuries.

Nijman, Corbett, Zavala, Mays and Christensen all have multiple years of experience with us and have starting experience. Jake Curhan is a 5 year vet with 11 games started and played in the same system in Seattle when Canales coached there. So for once we have a lot of depth at offensive line.
 

Despite the injuries I think we can actually have a decent offensive line for those reasons.

11 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Bro, we have some real delusional fans.

Hooker was about as obvious as it gets. If you got fooled by that guy, it's time for some real looking in the mirror and assessing your ability to recognize an NFL player.

To be fair I bet a lot of people don’t sit and watch every college game, even if they do have the time to watch college ball there’s so many teams that you can’t  watch every game so most people just look at stats, highlight reels and sports pundits who hype up and rank college players. 
 

looking at his stats where in the last two seasons he threw for 31 tds 3 INTs 68% completion percentage, and over 600 yards on the ground and 27 tds 2 INTs 69% completion percentage and over 400 yards on the ground.

those are amazing numbers, especially in the SEC.

I understand how the right system can mask a players deficiencies but you still got to give the player some credit.

he also had a horrible injury in his last game of his college career which probably also effected his nfl career.

Question. Has anyone player ever came back from that type of injury before?

3 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

My guess. Brock Purdy and the S2 test. Mr Irrelevant Purdy had a breakout year and his S2 score was high and so was Bryce's and that test was supposed to be the end all, be all of QB tests where the Wonderlic was so unreliable. Remember, Stroud's results were leaked and he was being portrayed as an imbecile before the draft based on the scores. After their rookie season's when Bryce had one of the worst statistical performances ever and Stroud went to the playoffs, the S2 pretty much disappeared into oblivion as a determining standard of QB viability. 

Yet the funny thing is if you look at Bryce last 17 games and compare them to Strouds, you see Bryce has been better and putting up decent numbers.

Just now, electro's horse said:

Why Bryce was a top pick is a question we’ll never get an answer too because everyone involved in that decision has every reason to lie.

as far as what he did at Alabama, he’s throwing to superior physical talent with superior blocking talent. There have been multiple breakdowns of his college throws and how he was never actually that accurate, at least in a way that would translate to the nfl. 

this isn’t unique to him. He just snuck through the draft process for reasons that are up to anyone to guess 

He played in the SEC, he was still able to  throw the ball deep to WRs on a regular basis. It’s not like he was on an all star team playing against horrible teams every week. He was going against NFL talent in the SEC weekly and also playing against other ranked teams with NFL talent as well. You make it seem like he was throwing the ball off target by yards every play and the WR was good enough to make up for that. Football is too quick of a sport for that to happen. You got milliseconds to catch the ball, even the fastest players can’t move but a few yards in the time it takes for them to try to catch the ball.

I didn’t think he would last. Still I don’t like not having a young QB on the roster to develop. I don’t understand why a team with the QB in question like us isn’t trying to develop a young QB on the roster that one day may be ready to go and will be familiar with the system.

I honestly think it’s the coaching. Look how many plays we did short passes and screens. Also I don’t know how many times I’ve seen Bryce throw a deep ball and the WR drop it, as well as a few pass interference penalties and no calls that would have been at least 20 yards.

before anyone says Bryce can’t throw the deep ball, explain what he did at Alabama? He can throw a ball deep. Why do you think he was a first pick and top qb prospect?

also if you look at how many pass attempts Bryce is getting, it’s not a lot. It’s hard to get over 200 yards passing when you are barely throwing the ball 20 times a game. 
 

I also think we are very successful at running the ball and taking time off the clock so we don’t need to pass. Our defense isn’t the best so why expose them? Keep them off the field as long as possible. 

50 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If we don't trade him we may end up releasing him. We can save a lot by cutting him. 

According to this site the way his contract is, 2026 is made to where we have an out with releasing him. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/72510/chuba-hubbard

Can anyone give me an update on our offensive line? Who got injured this game and who’s starting now?

Yeah this is a crazy season. Granted it could end up any way and we are only about halfway through but somehow we keep winning. I mean we have had injuries galore. Our offensive line has probably been injured every game and some are done with the season and yet we hold back Parsons, only give up 1 sack and run for over 100 yards. Our QB play is horrible yet Bryce seems to always be able to give us a GW drive. Our defense sucks and can’t get a sack yet was able to play well enough to not allow over 300 yards passing or many points. It’s like the teams we are playing are just giving up when they play us.

He had seven sacks in a season….. in 2021….

There’s always a QB sitting somewhere that could be a good starter that just needs a to be given a chance.

Kurt Warner was a back up who was playing arena football and NFL Europe and couldn’t even win the starting job until an injury happened. He ended up being the NFL MVP and winning a superbowl.

our own Jake Delhomme became our starter after being a career back up and nfl Europe QB.

Brady, arguably the best QB of all time was a 6th round pick.

Daniel Jones was supposed to be done with and now he’s one of the top QBs of this season that’s turned a team into a top contender.

Theres someone out there that just needs the right system, the right situation on the right team. We just have to find him.

on a side note, think of how many great QBs that we never got to see because they were never given a shot, maybe they were sitting behind a great QB or the coaches didn’t like them. The sad truth is that there’s plenty of good players that end up being wasted.

To be fair that 2015 team had a lot of guys from a roster that had went 12-4 in 2013 and made the playoffs and one playoff game in 2014 and we had a lot of talent.

still I do think we are heading up and should be better than last year. The only question is how much better?

I do think Bryce will be better. More experience and a better WR group should help.

XL is the one I’m not as confident about. He played poorly last season but I do think that if he can just fix the drops then he can be a solid wr. He seems to know what his problem was and worked on it. Hopefully he will improve. He admitted that he didn’t work as hard as he should have last year and I think that could mean he has focused hard this year. We will soon see.

59 minutes ago, frankw said:

Even with the progress last year we had the 30th passing offense and the 32nd passing offense before that.

We're hopeful. That's about the best anyone can say.

To be fair I do recall us running the ball a lot so it’s hard to get those numbers up.

39 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

Its the 2020s safeteys have been interchangeable for a long time now.....

 

 

Yeah it’s hard to get used to that. I still think of FS as more of the coverage guy and SS as your run support. Our defense is different. Maybe that’s why we haven’t been good on D?

Honestly I’m fine with us not signing him and giving Ransom the reps. Let’s see if he’s our future, get him some experience. I honestly would prefer if he played over Nick Scott but I think the coach prefers the experience.

Contracts like this make me wish there were caps on what players could get paid. Too many times we see players get big contracts then they don’t live up to it and it handicaps the team. We need more ways to benefit the teams.

in the end it’s the fans who end up suffering because your team gets stuck with an injured player and can’t sign new ones or resign the good players you have.

55 minutes ago, CRA said:

 only 1 QB in the history of mankind has managed a winning record with his opportunities in the David Tepper era.   

Bring in PJ.   He has NFL tools.  He will at least be entertaining if called upon.  How is that not better than Andy. 

*PJ Walker bandwagon is back up now that it is....not...time for for the percolator. 

 

What’s crazy is we had Baker and Darnold both on our team and PJ somehow was the best out of them at the time.

imagine where we would be if we just kept one. Well for one I bet Canales wouldn’t be our HC because without Baker tampa wouldnt have had that good offense that got him recognized.

I really think that if we would have just kept baker we would have been fine. I think he still hadnt fully recovered from his injury plus he was just thrown into a new team where he didn’t have a good offensive line, new playbook, team mates and coaches. He was set up to fail. I would have loved to see what he would have done with Reich as HC. 
 

heck I think Darnold could have been decent if he stayed too. He actually played well his last season with us and we seen how well he can do with a competent coach and players around him.