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DB is going to rag doll the Falcons entire OL
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Also, now that I think about it, Etienne has flashed a few times. Worth being considered for up/watch lists.
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The Shaq slander is crazy. Acting like underselling him twice as much as he was overpaid does not bring balance to the force.
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Just now, LinvilleGorge said:
To be fair, Shaq was a JAG.
Rozeboom is a JAG.
Shaq was most definitely not a JAG.
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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:
I tried to tell people on Moehrig. I tried to tell y'all that he was a safety straight out of the '80s who was basically an undersized LB who can't cover his own shadow.
I tried to tell people that Legette was a one year wonder in college bailed out by a super senior year that wouldn't have happened had it not been for COVID who wasn't a natural WR.
I tired to tell people that Bryce had no NFL level physical tools and his style of play wouldn't translate to the NFL.
To be fair, you also told us that Kawann Short and Shaq Thompson were JAGs but I also understand that the victory laps feel good when they happen.
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Ewwwww.
If I had to use one word to sum up the first two weeks of this season, that would probably be it (though it is worth considering how many w's I'd be allowed to have). All of the good will built by the late surge last season has been violently dashed against the metaphorical rocks as many of the questions that still lingered are being answered in the opposite way that Panthers nation had wished. Bryce Young? Back to what he had been and perhaps worse, going in reverse. Xavier Legette? Not developing despite the HC and OC both being former WR coaches. Dave Canales? The tape is out on his offensive scheme + play-calling and defenses seem to know the calls coming in before the offense does. The defense? Still not great but they did finally stop the run in Arizona at least and have been working with their backs to the endzones after turnovers multiple times now. Now add the loss of two starting OL (one of them arguably being the best OL on the team) to the IR and things don't look so good.
Not going to be able to post screen caps of the all-22 this week since I'm out of town and only have my work laptop until Saturday, so figured that doing a little something different this week would work and then it's back to full all-22 reviews for week 3! This also gives me something to do since I'm still waking up @ 3am local time and not able to sleep passed 4:30--I tried watching the Chargers/Raiders game last night but thought I was going to die by 7:30pm
. Got a sick view of the stadium from the hotel tho! But I digress... here are five members of the Carolina Panthers' that are worth watching and another five that it might be better for your wallet to hold off on buying their jersey.
STONKS UP
- Tetairoa McMillan - TMac is the WR1 that this team has desperately been looking for. He's getting more and more comfortable every rep. In week two he displayed his unique YAC skills for a player of his size with the big catch and run in Q1. He showed off that he can play big too, trucking a DB after turning a quick hitch into a first down via his second effort. This kid is going to be an absolute demon after a full NFL season of strength and conditioning.
- Chau Smith-Wade - Chau's been the team's slot nickel during the first two weeks and hasn't done too bad, though he did give up a TD in week two. He's logging significant snaps and has even lined up at FS for a couple of plays. While he might not be stealing Jaycee or Mike Jackson's role anytime soon, CSW has developed at least into a solid rotational guy that can hold down a position until a more talented starter is ready.
- Nic Scourton - Scourton's motor pops on film. Even though he only got four more snaps in week two, the effort levels never tapered off. He reminds me of a stronger, more talented YGM in that he's constantly giving effort. As much as I dogged on YGM, I could never knock his effort (which was what some of his more positive plays resulted from). Scourton is showing good play strength already as a rookie and while he might not have logged a stat yet outside of snap counts he's going to start getting there. Getting stronger and refining his technique will go a long ways.
- Princely Umanmielen - Princely only has 21 total snaps on defense (with just one of them in run defense and one in coverage), but he already has one sack and one hurry. He's also been playing on special teams and has had a moment or two there. It's starting to look like his floor as a pass rush specialist is most definitely achievable and that the next stage of his development is showing that he can play against the run.
- Lathan Ransom - Nick Scott must have naked pictures of Evero's mother, but with the way Ransom played in week two on just 12 snaps he's likely going to get more. On those twelve snaps, Ransom was in on four stops. He's also no longer on kick return coverage after getting a bump up to more playing time. All of his snaps on defense have been at FS as well, so he is the clear favorite to start next to Moehrig with Richardson as the ST/DB4. Once Ransom's communication and understanding of the scheme is at a level where he's also able to call adjustments for the secondary he likely doesn't leave the field the same way Xavier Woods didn't.
STONKS DOWN- Bryce Young - Starting year three the same ways that he did years one and two is not good enough for any QB, let alone one that was traded up to #1 overall to select. Bryce has dealt with adversity, absolutely. Year One was a trainwreck where it is impossible to blame anything on him. Year two started horrible, but he was a revelation upon returning from benching. Year three has started the same way as year two and having to bench QB1 for a couple of weeks every season is not a solution. What's hurt Bryce's chances the most is his regression: he's back to hesitating on initial reads and trying to force magic to happen. When he did that, we saw him looking uncertain and overwhelmed (like how he looks now). When he trusts what is happening in front of him and is not trying to force plays, Bryce gets downright surgical. The word is out though: pressure him early and often to get him to speed up his reads early and then watch him try to force magic while playing from behind. On the INT against Arizona, yea he got hit by a free rusher but Bryce also backpedaled five friggin yards before getting hit. Doing that with the lack of a howitzer is just bad QBing. At this point, I don't see how they can take the bonus option unless we start seeing 300+ yard, 3 TD performances every week from start-to-finish rather than just when the defense goes into prevent mode. Perhaps most damning though is that Bryce is now at a point where a play has to go perfectly in order for him to execute the bare minimum and that simply isn't feasible in the pros. His ability to create plays off script if/when things broke down was his part of his magic but now it's like he's trying to force teams to do the same card trick that they've already figured out. Bryce has got to show that he can still make plays with things breaking down around him rather than it leading to catastrophic failure like we keep seeing.
- Xavier Legette - The execution errors are bad enough... but the film shows a lack of effort. I can't help but believe that Canales & company do not know how to utilize XL's skillset... To me, he's a more brolic Ted Ginn Jr. Drags, crossers, deep routes, comebacks, etc... Don't try to give him screens or routes where he's going to get the ball and then have to build up speed. The effort issues are glaring though. Mark Schlereth called it out after week one and in week two we saw them again. I don't know if XL is getting down on himself or what but something has to change.
- Trevin Wallace - Trevin had a much better game in week two than he did week one but he is still getting eaten alive in coverage... and that was supposed to be his strength coming out of the draft! His athleticism made him a solid LB in coverage but there were questions about his instincts. Instincts are still non-existent as playaction seems to put Trevin in the blender as does any type of misdirection. The LB room desperately needs to be rebooted in the offseason where Wallace is at best ILB2 in a 3-4 or the WLB in a 4-3. Wherever he's at, he cannot continue to have an NFL passer rating of 125.7 against him.
- Ja'Tavion Sanders - JT0 continues to whiff bad on blocks in the run game and make tough drops in the pass game. He got bailed out by a defensive holding call on another play where the ball hit him in the hands in front of his facemask but bounced out. His blocking though... in 99 snaps, he's been asked to run block 19 times and pass block just once. It would be different if he were an elite receiving TE, but being that one-dimensional and average at the thing he's supposed to be good at is not good. I'm not ready to write him off just yet as TEs can take some time to develop in the NFL, but there's got to be a significant jump to consider him anything better than a future TE3.
- Trevon Moehrig - This one hurts me to put because I like Moehrig and he has been a beast in the run game. In the pass coverage? A liability. I can't tell if that's because he's also working with Wallace & Rozeboom who have been getting routed up by everyone, if it's because Moehrig's coverage ability was already average at best, or a little bit of column A and column B. Either way, teams have been eating up the middle of the field and Moehrig is part of the crew that gets tasked with taking care of it. Moehrig has been targeted ten times in coverage and has given up ten receptions. That's awful.
STONK WATCH
- Cade Mays - I think it's safe to say that Austin Corbett's career, at least with the Panthers, is likely over. He re-injured the same MCL and was having snap issues in week one. In week two, Corbett was the reason that the stunt on the blitz wasn't picked up which led to the strip-sack during the opening drive. Cade Mays did well in place of Corbett last season, but still lost the job in training camp. He's also on a 1yr deal, so he's playing for another contract. How effective he'll be though without Robert Hunt to his right will be the big question mark.
- Chandler Zavala - With Robert Hunt down with a torn tricep, Chandler Zavala was tagged to take over at guard. He didn't do well either, though he didn't do as abyssmal as he did his rookie season where he was the worst graded OL on PFF. Zavala got bullied by power, regularly missed stunts, and was often caught lunging. If he's not leveled up exponentially from two seasons ago then we're going to see the run game struggle and the pass game continue to crater.
- Brycen Tremayne - Brenton Bersin v3.0 but without the nepotism? Tremayne makes plays on ST and even shows up in the pass game. That one handed grab in week two would've been flipped into an INT by some of the players on the roster, but Tremayne hauled it in and converted the first down. He might end up at best being a replacement for David Moore, but if he could develop into another Jalen Coker that would be incredible. Speaking of... I wonder how he's going to look coming back from injury.
- Dave Canales - The word is out on Canales' offense, so what is he going to do? It's too late to scrap everything... but is it all too much for him? If so, playcalling has to be handed over to Idzik who didn't exactly give us much hope during the preseason with the offense's results. The team is using less motion, there are operational failures, and what was supposed to be the strength of this team is now looking like what it to start last season. The positivity and rah rah are great foundations, but is Dave a gifted enough offensive mind to overcome how opposing defenses are handling his team? The formula now is to attack the QB to get him uneasy, then sit back and take away explosive plays. If Dave can't evolve himself as a playcaller this season, do you really want to let him draft a QB only to be let go after one more season? There's a lot of answers that need to be discovered quickly, because the current trajectory is "Fire everyone (except Tillis?) and find a new QB."
- Ejiro Evero - After getting called out to play the younger guys more often and stop the run, Evero did just that... but that's only his 10th game as the Panthers' coordinator where the team did not give up 200+ rushing yards. That's... terrible. He's also still calling a lot of soft cover-3 looks that teams are jumping on and forcing long conversions to stay on the field. His defense is awesome when the offense can jump out to an early lead and take advantage of the disguised coverages that are built-in, but that doesn't look to be happening nor that it will anytime soon. Sure, he was trying to make chicken salad out of chicken poo last season but this season looks a lot of the same. If the offense can actually put together a complete game then we might be able to see Evero's defense work but at the moment it clearly doesn't.
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Be careful. Lonely incels might get mad at you for pointing out anything other than one specific player.
just looking at the first few min of the highlights and it's clear that both Bryce and Evero need to figure it out (without regressing) or they're going to be unemployed.
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Landed in time to see the final 3 plays after the last score update I got in the air was 9 - 27.
I want to be excited but I have a feeling that the first 59min are going to make me sad when I get to watch later
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Waiting for my connecting flight that takes off in 30min salty af because by the time I land in Vegas the game will be over.
Watching Dallas lose in the Dallas airport is pretty sweet tho.
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Icky expected to play!
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Ugh Cade
I know his best OL + WR are out but at this point he's literally tripping over his own two feet.
I was blown away seeing some of the first-round projections on him coming into this season.
Still a looot of ball left to play tho. Hopefully he gets things moving.
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Not the FSU chop while theyre interviewing DeBoers lmao
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The sign on College GameDay saying "Georgia likes wearing Tennessee orange" with pictures of UGA players in orange jumpsuits for their mugshots is craaazy.
Bet that it'll be a good game at 3:30!
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2 hours ago, Basbear said:
Evero had me fouled about being one of best upcoming DCs. Im giving him until week 6 to show why he should last. If not for the LONG-TIME coverage skills of a healthy horn and MJ, its ultra scary to think they could be worst than giving up the most points in NFL history.
I have a feeling that the only hot seats this season are Evero's and Young's. Canales and Morgan likely get at least 3 years with year 3 being the year they get "their guys" should those two not pan out.
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59 minutes ago, electro's horse said:
Jesus Christ shut the fug up
No. Eat poo.
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14 minutes ago, Basbear said:
I honestly think the Jags had a upper hand due to Dave being the OC of TB 2 years ago and going to rival sparked TB to give insight into Daves play call sheet or/and playbook. Jags were prepared too well and seemed to be in the Panthers huddle for around 80% of the plays. Props to them, they are the better team.
Doesn't help that Coen beat up on Evero's defense pretty good last season both times. Looks (and sounds, according to TLaw) like he has the scheme figured out.
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Wanted to give a quick shout out to those of y'all participating in the discussion in good faith. It's been a nice change of pace for some of us fans to combine our knowledge and try to figure things out rather than just looking for a scapegoat to blow off some steam. ♡
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24 minutes ago, CRA said:
You all over the map. First you scoff at seam routes being hospital balls…despite the fact those are always routes QB have to be worried about throwing their WR into a hit.
now you are countering with the “you act like Renfrow is on IR” defense
and the “but how did he keep playing after that” defense lol
it’s a hospital. Simple. You even got NFL QBs explaining it to you in real time with the all22 and telling exactly where Bryce need to put the ball and when.
You exclusively highlighted Hunter's name on the injury report and then immediately cast blame. I've pointed out that this wasn't the hospital ball you claim it to be while also acknowledging that there could have been another option to target instead of Renfrow.
By everything you've expressed here, you don't think seam routes should ever be thrown. I don't know how that helps the already struggling offense, but I do know that it would make it even worse than it already is. Scapegoating never has and never will solve anything.
Tell you what: Try not blaming Bryce or casting shade his way for the entire week after Arizona and instead look at the other 21 starters and assess what they're doing (again, without shading Bryce). I'll join you and refrain from exploring what the rest of the team is doing and will focus solely on what Bryce needs to do better. Deal? This is a sincere peace offering to allow us to explore the other's perspective and perhaps be even more informed football fans.
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36 minutes ago, CRA said:
Yeah, here is Brady, Gronk and the prime Patriots discussing the dangers and risk TE/slots face with seam routes.
you way too smart to be defending some of this bro
How did Renfrow get the rib injury and why wasn’t that classified a drop. Go check the game day thread. Entire board could ID that obvious one in real time.
You're acting like Bryce put him out for the game and the week when that play happened at 4:01 in Q2. Renfrow was targeted four more times after that. Plus, a hospital ball is a poorly placed pass that puts the receiver in a dangerous position to take a big hit by being late or inaccurate.
Ball is out an on its way here. The catch is made at the 25yd line on the hash. Renfrow jumps for no reason and is airborne when he's hit. Bryce doesn't drift him over in front of the safety on the throw and as we can see from the capture that he had the right read.
Could he have also waited a little longer for XL to pop up over the middle on the in route? You won't hear me disagree with that. Would have also likely netted more YAC than Renfrow would've considering positioning and momentum for both players. I like that option better than the one he took, but you're also not going to see me make 10 different threads about it like we've seen this week.
Also worth noting that while Renfrow didn't need to jump for that ball that he did run a beautiful route to get open.
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Some fans are now calling seam routes hospital balls? Wild.
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16 minutes ago, OldhamA said:
Mainly because it's a QB driven league and our QB struggles to complete routine throws.
It's a QB driven league, which means that all of the parts surrounding the QB have to be in order. No OL? QB isn't going to have time to throw or be able to hand it off. No weapons? Won't matter how well they play, can't catch it for them. Bad coaching? They're not the ones designing and calling plays.
Football is one of the ultimate team sports. All 11 players need to be in sync rather than one player being dominant (imo). Hell, even with Tom Brady, not a single one of his rings came without a top-10 defense on the other side of the ball or a top-10 OL in front of him.
I can understand people having lost patience with Bryce, especially starting off on the wrong foot for the third season in a row. That's not an issue. The issue I have is with folks being intentionally misleading and attempting to tell other posters what they're not allowed to talk about. Considering how often Red has claimed others have done this to him it is interesting at best, disingenuous at worst for him to turn around and do the same.
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49 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:
Some of this was good offensive playcalling against our front (the 4 & 1 for example). But interesting on that one it was our 3-4 personnel but we technically had 5 with hands in the dirt. I wouldn't call that a 5-2 but it's what 3-4 teams do in these run commit scenarios. So that playcall restricts us from having 1 more guy to be more fluid in space on the strong side, and we lose lateral containment.
Good job by our new safety to call it out presnap, but bad execution by Wallace and Jackson IMO. Trevin with the error. He saw the motion and shifted but took an initial angle towards the handoff not the anticipated location. Bad field awareness. So he was now behind and the Jags had 2 guys to engage Jackson & Moehrig on the outside. Jackson just kind of sloppily engaged Strange.
Outside of that, one of the biggest things I'm noticing is a severe, and I mean severe, lack of presnap communication on our defense. It just seems to be Moehrig. He had some iffy angles this game but was far and away doing the most to get our guys in the right place presnap. I think Moehrig is trying to do everything and then some so he's going to be caught out of place because of this.
Rozeboom and Wallace aren't doing that (and other things) which is a major concern. Rozeboom took such a excessive first few steps in that last clip, he just gave the Jags a cozy opening to float in a completion. You could see he was pissed.
The 2 ILBs in our scheme need to be communicators and quick decision makers. Trevin has the quickness but not the awareness or decision making. Rozeboom doesn't have the quickness and is just average/below-average.
We need help there if we want any sort of decent defense this season. The line and OLBs have the ability to stop the run, but not when these 2 are making terrible decisions and allowing teams to play in the middle of the field.
If not for Jaycee blowing up the block intended for him and tripping up Dyami, that jet sweep might have ended up being a house call.
The design and flow of Coen's play calling impressed me, especially with the way he was presenting different looks and using plenty of motion + misdirection.
I believe…We WIN this weekend.
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Hell yea! Keep Pounding!!!