Icege

Hope that his recovery goes smoothly and without complication.

Ja'Tavion Sanders is about to get plenty of reps for the first 4 weeks!

hell yea

48 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Loooong arms.  If his 40 and shuttle times are simply good, he's a top 5 pick.  If they are elite, #1 overall.

idk if it's official but I'm seeing 4.65sec for the 40

Oh my damn

22 minutes ago, strato said:

More of that generalization about the OL. We know how they fuged the stunts up regularly And how Icky was being overwhelmed. 

This is so much Chicken or the Egg here. 

You could say the OL was given a much more difficult task to protect due to how congested they (defenses) were allowed to make the near field.  

And I know there were no guys he didn't see that were open, or guys that were open but not after he held the ball too long (meaning he had time to hold it I guess).

No problem. Argue that he can throw it deep with accuracy if he has time. I hope he can. We'll see. 

 

 

I mean, that's kind of the disconnect amongst Panthers fans right now; who/what is to blame? From the looks of it, there are more than a couple of folks blaming everything on Bryce (including the protection and separation issues).

Personally, I think it's a mixture of all parts and not exclusively Bryce Young's physical limitations and/or skill set. The OL gave up 60+ sacks and WRs were statistically the bottom of the barrel when it came to separation. That's not Bryce's fault that the team played nine different guards throughout the season and that his most reliable wide receiver was 31yr old Adam Thielen.

Were there plays where Bryce didn't do his part? Absolutely! He didn't look comfortable in the offense at any point in time. That makes sense now though, as we've heard about the having multiple coaches in his ear telling him different things.

We'll get a better idea this season if Bryce was the problem, whether it be because he's too little to throw the ball twen-my bad, forty yards plus downfield () or because the offense that he was surrounded by last season was really that bad.

1 hour ago, strato said:

We know they are pros. Designing an offense that will either help the QB be better at the field stretching, or hides his weaknesses, both really, is professional also.

I would just say: you did look at how defenses played Bryce Young last year, did you not? Would you really prefer to not threaten them enough to back them off some? Because that is what you will get with no threat of it.

Why would a defense sit dudes back deep when they're absolutely murdering the OL on every snap and the WRs aren't separating?

10 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

It’s so crazy how much of a difference half a second makes…

Fields' 3.23 is wild. Have to wonder if it gives weight to the pre-draft criticisms about his inability to read a defense.

Sounds like the team is high on DJ Johnson and Eku Leota while also preparing for the eventual return of DJ Wonnum (and Amare Barno).

Cutting Chaisson helps them get closer to cap relief, allows them to evaluate new options (Jamie Sheriff), and makes it a little easier to bring back players from injury when they're ready. The next four weeks are going to be tough on those fringe guys because some aren't going to be here when Jonathan Brooks, Dane Jackson, DJ Wonnum, and Amare Barno are due back.

I get a big kick out of the Camp Confidential videos. It's fun to get behind the scenes footage and learn more about the players. Production value has been getting better as well!

There are some fun 8pm games tonight! Gonna have UNC @ Minnesota on one screen, ND State @ Colorado on another, and Coastal Carolina @ Jacksonville State on the third.

Might put Murray St @ #11 Mizzou on for a little bit just to get a peek at Luther Burden III.

On 8/28/2024 at 1:18 PM, Ricky Spanish said:

Shaq is a pro-bowl caliber player (even if he hasn't made one yet, like Moton) and absolutely worth where he was drafted. Anyone who stays with the team that drafted them for a decade across multiple coaching changes is not a bad player.

He's not as good as Luke or TD, but they were All-Pro caliber LBers and he had to step up and fill their shoes. He's done admirably and I have grown to appreciate him for who he is as a player, and not who he isn't (Luke or TD).

Isa mic drop

15 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

What happened to Crumedy?

Ankle injury. Sounds like he wasn't quite ready to come back from it yet.

Let's gooooooooooooo

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

I think Lonnie Johnson is a CB/S and he could be taken to play S.  We now have 8 CBs on the roster if Lonnie Johnson is listed as a S.  Franklin, Dane Jackson, Wonnum and Barno are still out.  I imagine that some of these will be moved to the PS when that happens, but I am hoping these young players can grab a few spots.

That's a big thing that I'm considering too: the returning players. There's going to be 4 more cuts in the future when they come off IR-R/PUP/NFI.

10 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Some info from this year's "Beast" from Dane Brugler:

 

 

"maybe at center"

1 hour ago, Jackie Lee said:

Not a claim but good news

 

PRAISE

ooo, Tariq Castro-Fields was an interesting CB prospect. I am ashamed that I don't recognize any of the other names, but am excited to find out more about them!

31 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Agreed about the doublespeak but the ability to review objectively-available information, such as Bryce being a physical outlier at the position and consistently showing issues with throws all of last year, to see where data points and still support hope for a different outcome than the one data points to is... narcissism? By what leap of nonsensical logic is it narcissism to note that a player faces an objective uphill battle to achieve expectations (in this case draft cost and position, which isn't necessarily Bryce's doing) but still hoping they do?

I'm generally taking it easy on Panthers stuff until regular season since it's so close but this zinger is on another level.

There's criticism and then there's chronic invalidation. I can't think of any reasonable person that didn't acknowledge that Bryce's size was an area of concern going into the draft. The mention of narcissism comes from the fact that there are other data points such as his game film that address some of the criticisms but those rebuttals are willfully dismissed/ignored. When called out on their behavior, as has been done here, narcissists will appeal to emotion and avoid responsibility for their own chosen actions. 

For example: Bryce's deep ball. There's plenty of tape from his final college season showing him hitting WRs downfield 40+ yards accurately. That's still something that he can do. However, we've got a bunch of posters that claim Bryce's arm suddenly can't make that same throw in the NFL? You yourself are on the record here claiming his arm strength is "bottom-tier" in the NFL and that "Bryce doesn't have the arm strength to make throws any longer than they absolutely need to be." Most reasonable folks will agree that he doesn't have elite arm strength but they will acknowledge that he has an average NFL arm (at the least, NFL coaches and players do). Are you being honest about your actions, or are you exaggerating victimhood?

15 minutes ago, Icege said:

 

For folks not wanting to click the tweet:
 

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NFL waiver claims may leak in about 2 hours, so I made a one-liner cheat sheet of all the waived/released players who could interest the #Panthers, ordered by need positions and alphabetical

Reminder: Carolina gets first dibs on any and all waiver claims, but vested veterans who were released can choose where to sign

OLBs
DET Mitchell Agude: Big, long EDGE who had good preseason with Lions but just missed cut
MIN Andre Carter II: another big, long EDGE who flashed with his team but just missed cut
WAS KJ Henry*: big, long local product from NC and Clemson who flashed last season and in preseason
DAL Carl Lawson: experienced, productive edge FA, who #Panthers tried out before but may be affected by injury
DET Julian Okwara: another big, long EDGE who grew up in NC
SEA Jamie Sheriff: big UDFA EDGE who led Seahawks in sacks during preseason

CB
TEN Caleb Farley: former first-round pick whose career has been derailed by injuries, from NC
CLE Justin Hardee: experienced, former Pro Bowl CB who some considered a surprise cut
NYG Darnay Holmes: FA CB with experience but struggled last year
TB Keenan Isaac: tall, long CB who graded well on PFF this preseason
GB Kalen King: GB 7th-round pick whose career impressed in preseason
PHI Zech Mcphearson: former 4th round pick who was squeezed out of Eagles DB depth and is a former Special Teams Player of the Week winner
CHI Greg Stroman: experienced CB who had strong preseason but squeezed out because of Bears secondary depth

OL
DAL Josh Ball: versatile, experienced OL who impressed with Cowboys this preseason
CHI Ja'Tyre Carter: could be good OL depth, athletic run blocker who didn't allow much pass rush pressures this preseason
CLE Wyatt Davis: personal favorite, former OSU OL who's bounced around the league

TE
DAL Alec Holler: UDFA who plays special teams and had good preseason with the Cowboys
SF Cameron Latu: former 3rd-round pick who was Bryce Young's trusted college TE
CHI Tommy Sweeney: Big FA TE who was drafted by the Bills when Dan Morgan was in the front office
SF Brayden Willis: semi-surprise cut who has upside but still developing as a blocker

DL
MIN Jacquelin Roy: Vikings 5th-round pick last year who could be good DL depth

WR
HOU Noah Brown: probably most productive WR on market
SEA D'Wayne Eskridge: Seattle drafted him when Canales/Idzik were there, offers speed element and returner value
NYG Isaiah Hodgins: big-bodied WR who was drafted by Buffalo when Dan Morgan was in front office
TB Cody Thompson: semi-surprise cut who led Bucs in receptions in preseason. Hard-nosed WR with special teams value who has experience with Canales/Idzik in Seattle
CLE Michael Woods II: impressive Browns WR this preseason who didn't play last season due to injury

LB
NYG KJ Cloyd: tackle machine in preseason
NE Joe Giles-Harris: highly-PFF graded LB who excels in pass coverage

RB
SEA George Holani: personal fave who had productive preseason with 2 TDs
NYG Dante Miller: nicknamed Turbo, he has great speed and impressed with Giants this preseason