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    Cam Newton on Bryce

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    7 hours ago, Saca312 said:

    Incredible watch. Highly recommend everyone take the time to see it.

    Cam's very critical of David Tepper and his tenure - as he should honestly. He noted that any connectivity and veteran input was cut off once he came into the building, and seemed to believe that perhaps the owner was quite the meddlesome fellow and not as appreciative of locker room connectivity and veteran input.

    Partly makes sense why Luke Kuechly said nope and retired, and a lot of veterans seemed to distance themselves. Sadly, Tepper has absolutely ruined the culture that the Panthers had and tried putting in his own stuff, with Rhule being a propagator of such.

    Curious if Reich can right the course and whether Tepper has learned his lesson. So far, seems the dysfunction is continuing and it's disheartening to say the least.

    Those are some wild conclusions to have leapt to. Cam was clear that Gettleman didn't seek player input and that he likes what Tepper has done. Also acknowledges that Tepper had to learn how to be a team owner.

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    NFL executives give Bryce Young early grade

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    ESPN called up a few NFL execs to get their thoughts on the 1st round rookie QBs. Included below are the sections pertaining to Bryce Young and the Panther. Click here for the article.

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    What's worked: Despite the Panthers' 0-2 start with Young at QB, evaluators have seen him display attributes that helped him become the No. 1 overall pick. His pedestrian stat line of 299 yards, two touchdowns and two interceptions on 42-of-71 passing doesn't tell the full story.

    "You see intangibles come to the surface," an NFC exec said. "He's got a great feel for the game, and his quick release translates to the NFL game. His ability to throw off-platform will help him." The evaluator noted a 15-yard throw to DJ Chark Jr. in Week 2 versus the New Orleans Saints, with Young floating to his left and turning his hips quickly to deliver the ball between two defenders over the middle. These are the plays he can make -- with enough help around him.

    Most rational (dare I say, informed?) fans are seeing the traits that wowed scouts for the last couple of seasons. Reich has outright said that they're not putting too much on Bryce's plate at this moment, so I expect things to be a lot more closed off than fans might want. Frank even used the example of a teenager learning how to drive: they've got the confidence to drive cross country but you only want them driving around the neighborhood until they've got some miles under their belt. There was clearly more freedom in the play calling when Dalton was starting, so we'll see if the success that came with it will inspire the coaches to not put the proverbial ankle weights back on Bryce.

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    What hasn't worked: Nearly everyone we consulted noted Carolina's uneven supporting cast on offense. The Panthers are not devoid of talent; free agent additions Miles Sanders, Adam Thielen, Hayden Hurst and Chark have plenty of pedigree (and helped backup Andy Dalton post 361 passing yards in Sunday's 37-27 loss to the Seattle Seahawks). But at least in Young's first two games, receivers weren't separating consistently, and the interior offensive line has struggled at times with starters Austin Corbett and Brady Christensen out.

    "He has nowhere to throw the football," an NFL personnel official said. "He's got major leaks around him and is in for a long year if the things working against him don't get fixed."

    Size and, by extension, durability will always be part of the conversation with the 5-foot-10, 194-pound Young, who suffered an ankle injury in Week 2. "He feels small when you watch him; it doesn't take much for him to go down," a high-ranking personnel man said.

    Bryce started his first game with a revolving door at RG instead of Austin Corbett who is widely considered to be one of the premiere guards in the league. Brady Christensen went out for the year with a bicep injury, and now the team has leaks at both guard positions. Ickey experiencing a sophomore slump doesn't exactly help matters either, but the receivers inability to get separation has been so effectively documented that it's simply undeniable by anybody attempting to have a discussion in good faith.

    With the protection and receivers not performing up to par it's going to be a long, difficult season for the rookie QB.

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    What's been most surprising: Young's escapability hasn't shown up like some expected. Many evaluators figured Young's footwork, instincts and imagination inside and outside of the pocket could help offset the size concerns -- and maybe they will over the course of a 17-game season. But six sacks through two tilts isn't encouraging.

    "Just because you're mobile at the college level doesn't mean you're mobile at NFL level," an NFC exec said. "[Young] can't turn the corner on a defensive end."

    I'm not sure if I agree with this being the most surprising. Naysayers were screaming from the hilltops that Bryce isn't an elite athlete, and supporters weren't exactly disagreeing there. If anything, to me at least, the biggest surprise has been how poorly the supporting cast on offense has played.

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    Early grade: C. It still feels like Young's game hasn't gotten off the ground. Most of those we surveyed remain faithful it will happen eventually. "Young is going through something he never has in his life -- losing," an AFC scout personnel evaluator said. "Love his demeanor, though. He'll be fine."

    Again, most rational/informed fans will agree without hesitation that two games is not enough of a sample size to pass any judgment on Bryce Young's pro career. He struggled in his first two outings but there's a lot of season left for him to grow (shut up!) and develop. We'll have to wait and see if he gets the start against Minnesota or if they roll Andy out for one more game. That would mean that Bryce comes back vs the Lions + the Dolphins which are going to be even bigger tests for him. I'm eager to see how it plays out! 😄

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    Even more pressure numbers (not for the weak stomach)

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    Posted · Edited by Icege

    Just one more game until Austin Corbett comes back... 🤞

    This season will still be a bumpy ride with three of the eleven offensive starters being rookies (QB, WR, LG). Combine that with the defense that looks more like a hospital ward every week that goes by and we're likely going to be seeing a lot more meltdowns here before the end of the year. 

    Who are the 2024 prospects that you're going to be watching this college season?

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    Jared Verse, Dallas Turner, Laiatu Latu, Chop Robinson, and Braelen Trice are all likely gone before the Panthers' first selection comes up.

    But Jasheen Davis, Mohamed Kamara, Solomon Byrd, Zion Tupuola-Fetui, and JJ Weaver all might be available 😄

    I haven't quite gotten a good read on the Ohio St pass rushers (Tuimoloau and Sawyer). I don't care for Sawyer much, but Tuimoloau is an interesting OLB option.

    Hot Take? That Was A Positive Game For Us

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    Ickey is in a full fledged sophomore slump, Bryce + Mingo are going to be learning how to be pros, and the defense is losing starters to injuries.

    And despite all of this, they were still competitive today for most of the game.

    It's going to be frustrating not rattling off wins this season, but so long as Frank doesn't keep getting in his own way this team has a lot to look forward to as we watch them grow.

    It's Time

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    Posted · Edited by Icege

    For me, this is time to scout the team for future needs (makes college football even more interesting on Saturdays!) and to see how the team develops. Are the young guys improving on the week before? Are coaches adjusting?

    I'm still gonna cheer my ass off for the team and hope for them to win (even if it costs the Bears draft position in the 1st), but I'm not going to lose my poo when things fall apart.

    This is going to be a great season to practice compartmentalization if it's not a strong skill. 😅

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    Ffs start Dalton all season

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    Posted · Edited by Icege

    With Dalton losing tonight and the team starting off 0-3, I'd rather let Bryce get as many snaps as he can this season. The more time that he gets with Mingo, the better since their contracts + draft status mean that we're likely seeing them here for the next 2 - 3 seasons.

    Dalton looked much more comfortable than Young did, but that's to be expected with 160+ NFL starts under his belt to Bryce's two. If anything, this really exposed the sad truth: Frank Reich is the John Fox of offensive football. Conservative to a fault, and stubborn to boot.

    Hopefully though, by nature of Tepper having him go outside of his usual circle, he's encouraged to let Thomas Brown take over. Might as well let the QB + OC take their licks this season. They're playing with house money now anyways; have fun with it!

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