Bear Hands

7 minutes ago, Matthias said:

For option 2, see Bryce as if he were your son.  See the team as if they were your brothers.  With family, you cheer them on to do better.  If they make a mistake, we wouldn't lie to them and say it doesn't matter.  What we would do is encourage them the next time they are on the field.  Now, if Bryce were your son, would you say to him, "You suck!  Quit and go do something else!"  Or would you say, "Keep your head up, you will do better next time!"


So with this perspective, the focus will be on doing better the next time, and make the opponent the Bryce of last time.  Beat who he was the last time.  For the team to beat who they were the last time.  This is more possible for our team.  And like I said, whatever that translates to, it would be interesting to see.  As it stands right now, this team can't be anyone.  But can they beat themselves?  And if they beat themselves, perhaps they will grow to a point where they are unbeatable period.

I’m sorry but I’m just looking at this a bit more plainly. This is not my family, this is a sports team with professionals trying to do an effective job in a multi-billion dollar industry.

Just want to watch some entertaining football at this point. I’m not watching my kid play in his leagues. Although it sure looks like it haha. 

4 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

without proper mechanics he will never work out due to his size and (lack of) strength.  Cam could slightly overcome it due to just being a dawg.

 

And like I asked all off season, why would this year be any different?  Why would he change his mechanics now after having elite coaching and qb camps since 8th grade?  He isnt going to change and he will never be a competent qb.  There are now 17 games worth of film for coordinators to look at and I suspect that is more then enough to come up with a gameplan to beat bryce.

I’m just amazed so many over the years have taken this assumption that it’s okay for him to have his “style” for lack of better term, along with this notion he was some godsend with anticipation throws and mental acuity. 

Hope next time we’re looking at QBs, the team just steps back and looks at the nuts and bolts to see if this is a dude built for the position, has the arm and can make every throw. Baseline. Then get into the mental makeup and romanticized intangibles.

Option two is not philosophical in nature. It is saying to cheer on a sports team you like even if they’re awful. It’s not that complicated.  

A fan can hate the product, call it out, and be entirely fine. It seems this whole essay depends on emotional investment. The trick is to simply be less emotionally invested and don’t blindly cheer the indefensible in life.

Option 2:

Hard to believe the Clausen year was like 14 years ago. What is time. 

16 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I remember watching that and thinking it was all built on smoke and mirrors. It seemed obvious at the time.

Felt the same way with the Darnold 3-0 start.

The thing is, those runs show what type of team you have built and how they can bring out some good stretches for even the most faulty QBs.  We had an alright team around Kyle Allen. 

It's too bad we hired Matt Rhule for the "rebuild" after that year, Luke retired, & they realized Cam was shot.  It was just so much at once.  Not to mention TD & Olsen peacing and letting Bradberry walk.  That was our entire core.  

I don't mind we went out and got Bridgewater (didn't draft a QB immediately), but that's when you can't miss on draft picks.  The Matt Rhule hire, and then the 2021 draft/offseason (missing on 9 of 11 draft picks, including Horn at 9, the Darnold trade, and more) was the biggest wrong turn we made in this death spiral.  

15 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I agree with you, but most coaches aren't gonna do that kind of thing.  If they're good enough to win at the current level, then don't fix what ain't broke.

Yeah.  If there are limitations, they're going to be there inside the pocket or out.  So might as well work on what you can correct fundamentally in-structure prior to a play breaking down (although I think he's at a point where he's simply too small/not enough physical tools).  What I feel happened here is they saw this kid act like a mini-Mahomes, and were just like, alright this is working, just let him cook. 

And now, we see what happens when a 5'9 1/2 185 guy with a JP Losman arm and no pocket-awareness tries to play mini-Mahomes ball lol

3 hours ago, frankw said:

He was doing the jump throw in shorts in camp when the first camp confidential video was released. When this was pointed out some folks tried to run others off the huddle in response.

I've accepted the jumping thing, erratic footwork, strange parallel to LOS drop is not going to end.  It's part of his "technique".  And it's the most damaging component to his entire game, as much as his size.  For some reason, no coach wants to correct it because there's this notion that you can work with the backyard style to an extent and dropbacks and throwing motion doesn't need to be perfect.  But Mahomes and a few others are exceptions to the rule IMO.  

He's the most compelling case that tells me this: the further you are outside of prototypical modern QB parameters, the more you actually need to execute IN-structure and have fundamentals/technique as sound as possible. 

This is why the biggest mistake coaches have made with him since HS is not getting him sound fundamentally while he learned to be all loose-y goose-y outside the pocket.  This is also why Kyler can look bad, but not all the time.  Because he's got a cannon, because he still has some burners.  It's also why Russ has fallen apart.  

When you're not only an outlier physically/tools wise, but your game (at least in college) was best out of structure, then how do you expect to execute at a fundamental level in the NFL?  You can't.  You need to operate at a high level, in the pocket, and be fundamentally sound to execute and he simply can't do it.

Seeing this again, all I think is how f*cking tiny he looks in the pocket.  

Joey Bosa & Khalil Mack are both healthy, playing together (which didn't happen a ton recently)...they accounted for 2.5 sacks last week. 

Gonna be a tall task for Icky.  

What are we thinking?

Herbert over/under 300 yards? Over

Bryce Young over/under 2 turnovers? Under, but he plays crazy conservative terrible

Bryce Young over/under 200 passing yards? Under

Score Predictions? Chargers 30 Panthers 6

Watching: Redzone/Sunday Ticket

Betting Odds:

Currently -6.5 Chargers, O/U 39

Tickets:

Stubhub is floating around $15 right now: https://www.stubhub.com/carolina-panthers-charlotte-tickets-9-15-2024/event/153077178/?quantity=2

Questions:

Herbert over/under 300 yards?

Bryce Young over/under 2 turnovers?

Bryce Young over/under 200 passing yards?

Score Predictions?

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How we feeling? Planning to watch? I'm planning on Redzone & ST Quad-Box (I will give us our opening drive on 1 in the quad)

35 minutes ago, CRA said:

I think too many inking in Brooks as some surefire stud that is about to just walk into the O.  Lot of sure thing RBs that have been drafted high of late have disappointed.  We haven't seen him to a single rep vs pros. 

Frown face

Just now, NJPanthers12 said:

Eh idk if I agree with message boards being a dying breed. If you’re a hockey fan, hfboards are extremely active for all teams and general hockey. 
 

RealGM is extremely active for basketball teams. I am a Mets fan and there are very active Mets message boards. 247/rivals/on3 whole business model is based off active message boards. There is Definitley a demand for message boards still.

i understand it being slower with the state of the team but this entire board has gone down hill. The ads are unbearable.

I don’t see many ads - not just saying that bc I’m a mod. And yeah, some of the larger general sports boards are still out there but even the largest boards there ever were have shuttered (I.e IMDB off the top of my head). Digital Third Space is simply occupied on other platforms these days.

So I’ll double down to say it’s surviving past its expiration date off of who remains from the fan base of the worst team in the league that had two memorable stretches in the past 25 years. 

I imagine JI could’ve handed it off or shut it, but he keeps it open when it’s basically a hefty and unnecessary bill from Invision, so I find that pretty nice. 

Going to lock for now as I don’t see this going much further. Not hating on your thread, but let’s just try to make it fun while we can in here haha.

We are mostly the leftovers. A few fossils, some X, Millenial and older Z who did not migrate to reddit, discord or wherever the heck kids complain about their sport teams these days. 

Message boards are a dying breed. Enjoy it while it’s still here. 

I like the interior OL, Brooks and Trevin. Rooting for JT and Legette to have success. Outside of those few, there’s not much else.

No potential stud rusher, have no faith in Horn, no future secondary leader, no real top dawg WR, no stars.

Know your foe:

They will destroy us.

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24 minutes ago, CRA said:

that's the game Dave plays.  Sets up for the chunk pass play.  Bryce was looking dead at it.  WR even put his hand up.  Got to make the throw and eat the hit.  That's football.  Carr did it.  It happens every week.  Sometimes the play comes down to a QB be willing to take the hit and make the D pay. 

Therein lies I think the most fundamental problem with Bryce.

He wants to play like a Mahomes, but his limitations don’t allow for it (size, speed, arm, quickness) and he should be playing like the lesser mobile guys who step up and take the hits (Purdue, Goff, Stanford, Carr). Problem is, the street style became second nature to him in school and he’s not shaking it out. But on the flip side, he also doesn’t have the body to take those hits consistently. So he’s kind of f’n screwed on both ends.

Kyler works (sometimes, not even all the time) and Russ had his good years because they had escapability and the arm. Bryce doesn’t have that.

So he’s a walking contradiction and I just don’t see a fit for him in the NFL much longer if I’m being entirely honest.

No arm, can’t outpace DLs, can’t consistently see the field, terrible pocket presence, bad footwork, low energy, he legitimately has none of the traits you look for in a modern QB. Nice guy I’ll give him that. 

10 minutes ago, Mage said:

Why are we allowing intentionally misleading topic titles?

It’s the Juan special. And it’s corrected

Reporters gotta ask Canales to really know.

It depends on how much control they’re giving him and how much we have baked in. Stafford for example is given a ton of liberty to adjust and they seem to have designated receivers that are hot on given plays. 

If we’re still playing with kid gloves though, they may not be integrating this.  And Bryce isn’t good at getting it out quick with his weird drop back so it may not be practical with him.  Reich let Bryce do kills (2 play options) last year which had pretty brutal results. Overall, I imagine Canales has some sort of option for Bryce, audible or hots— a NFL offense should have some sort of blitz pickup built in.

And he should’ve recognized it…I mean, we had the same CB blitz for 3 sacks lol.

I dunno anymore, but it’s brutal to behold

I'm keeping this one open lol

1 minute ago, strato said:

The reason why I go back to this young man in the post above yours, is he is pretty realistic and doesn't seem to have the agenda of defending his fanboism.

Totally, seemed like a level-headed video. Not targeting him with my comments, speaking a bit more generally.