Mr Mojo Risin

Moton went from fringe starter to one of our most reliable O lineman in our Franchise's History. The cap hit itself is not a good look but he has more than earned the money we've paid him. Glad we stopped kicking the can down the road

1 hour ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Gotta say i like this...still not getting overly excited tho. With all things considered the defense wasnt much of problem last year. THe improvement will come from the offense and we just gonna have to wait on that.

Going from the worst OG unit in NFL history to it now being a possible strength on the team is going to do wonders for the offense alone. I expect the scheme not to be too crazy but definitely a step up from the archaic philosophy Reich/Brown came up with. Skill positions should also be much better on offense too with Diontae + draft pick + a full NFL offseason for Mingo and of course Thielen not having to be the focal point. Hard to be super optimistic with how many times we've been let down the last 6+ years however, on paper it's looking pretty damn solid so far.

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Sure seemed that way. Like once they got him into camp and found out just how limited he was it was basically full on panic. Like we just traded up to #1 overall to draft UDFA level raw talent.

You strawmen might have something to grasp at if the entire offense wasn't a complete dumpster fire from the scheme, to play calling, all the way down to the personnel. You guys keep harping on things like Young was the only problem on offense last year and that couldn't be further from the truth. As bad as Young was the OG position was probably the worst display of OG play in NFL history. No QB can operate efficiently with that level of Guard play. Miles Sanders? 0 separation from the WRs? Roll all of that into a ball and then throw a 5'10 QB behind center and wonder why it's such a disaster. Young was part of the problem but a small part. If the rest of the offense gets fixed and we have a coach that actually coaches the offense won't be anywhere near as bad as it was last year.

12 hours ago, BIGH2001 said:

F- for declining rams trade last year. Average is a C.

That's on you! I'd have taken a ham sandwich at the end of the day

A++ Brian Burns is no longer on the roster

Not that many good TEs in the NFL currently. I struggle to name a top 10 without looking at a chart.

1 hour ago, fanpanther said:

Yep terrible throw but one an nfl wr should catch

He's got a defender within a fingers graps of his face and he's rolling out to the right towards the sideline. If he throws the ball anymore inside he'd be throwing across his body while on the run with a defender in his face. Where exactly is he supposed to put that ball aside from the perfect spot he threw it to on the sideline? If Mingo didn't overrun/adjust his body in a weird angle that should be an easy pitch and catch

20 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Unfortunately we picked the guy that fit in the previous draft... with a trade up to #1 overall one pick ahead of a guy who had one of the best rookie seasons ever. Tepper's Panthers in a nutshell.

Just for the lolz but let's say Young turns it around and becomes the unquestioned Franchise QB this team desperately needs. What color jersey you buying white, blue, or black?

24 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

No I was thinking of pressure rate, do had one of the lowest pressure rates and win rates in the NFL last season. 9% and 8% I believe. Burns was around double that rate or higher while facing double the amount of double team blocks. 
 

the reason the stats are similar is because DJ had way more pass rush opportunities compared to Burns. 

Where do you recall seeing those stats? 

5 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Burns was double the pressures with over 40. Rest of the stats are very similar

Wonnum had 38 pressures. Maybe you're thinking of QB hits?

The real question is how many times did Wonnum let a TE make him look like a complete b****? Burns was at least double digits in that category

If Evero wanted him he'd still be here. Best of luck

5 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

fug it. We've already gutted the D. Just go all in at this point. I want no more Bryce excuses.

Then you should grab WRs who excel at YAC and stretching the defense. Not a WR who excels at 50/50 balls.

Evero pushed for us to sign him. I wonder if Evero had any say in the others we let go on defense

10 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

What another team did with their resources is irrelevant. The point is that we don't even have that opportunity.  Higher picks give you a better opportunity to acquire talent. Period.

 Sure having more picks would be awesome and ideal but what if that trade kept Fitt/Reich in place to use those assets then what good would that have done? Vs. what actually happened, we gave our new HC/GM combo some more ammunition to build this team in their vision.

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm a fan of the Panthers. The issue at hand here is trade compensation. We got fleeced. We're the worst team in the league in large part because we're making quite the habit of getting fleeced.

Okay well the Raiders didn't get fleeced and still managed to be the Raiders (haven't won a playoff game since 2002) so in the end it didn't matter. Who cares if you pick 1st or 34th in the draft if you make the wrong pick you make the wrong pick. If you have the wrong coaches and people in place you are going to suck no matter how many draft picks you have.

Our only hope is that Canales and Morgan are the men for the job and if they aren't it wouldn't matter if we received 5 1st round picks for Burns. A good coach/GM will turn the picks and players we do have into a productive nucleus that will set us up to be a good team in a couple years.

Just now, Jon Snow said:

You are wasting your time.

Eh I haven't commented much today I've got a few posts left in me

Turning a weakness into a strength. Just pray these guys can stay healthy and we'll be good to go. Still need some solid depth behind them. It also gives Zavala two really good players at the position to hopefully learn from.

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

How many playoff games have we appeared in since Tepper bought the team?

What does that have to do with these two trades that you made out to be the exact same scenario? So why not look at the success (or lack thereof) that move made for each of those teams? In the end it didn't matter one way or the other and the people who are upset about the Burns compensation should be thanking their lucky stars this regime was at least smart enough not to cave to Burns demands and still got something for him while not paying him a single cent more. This was a win for the Panthers

3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The real reason it's so awful is the value we got in return. The Giants made him the second highest paid pass rusher in the league and only gave up a 2nd and a 5th to get him. The last time I remember a pass rusher like that getting traded was when Khalil Mack got traded to the Bears. Now I think Mack was the better player but they were comparable. Mack became the highest paid edge rusher and had 40.5 sacks over the previous four years. Burns is the 2nd highest paid edge rusher and he has 38.5 sacks over the previous four years. There's a reason why the Rams offered us two 1sts and the reason was largely the standard the Khalil Mack trade set.

What did the Raiders get for Mack? Two 1sts, a 3rd, and a 6th. We got robbed.

And how many playoff games did the Bears win after that trade. And the Raiders? I rest my case. The only way we screw ourselves is paying Burns what the Giants gave him. He won't be making it to the end of that contract I'd almost be willing to bet money on that

The people responsible for those moves are no longer here. Thinking we needed to lock up the core of a 2-15 team was also NOT the move. Would have been nice to have more ammo for this draft but we don't. We are finally doing what we should have done the year they cut Cam Newton. Tear it all down.

The only thing that still bothers me is that the Teppers still have not learned their lesson to stfu and let the people they hired do their jobs without them chiming in with their wonderful football IQ. I pray they stay the fug out of the draft and let the coaches/scouts do their jobs. We can't afford a shitty draft after all of these moves we just made

Burns will not see the end of that contract

4 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Is because Morgan and Tepper have no balls, let me explain............

Burns was never going to play a single snap on the franchise tag this season, he showed his hand when he admitted he played scared this season out of concern of injury without his contract.

We let him dictate the terms of a trade by doing it today, it allowed him to demand more money from whatever team traded for him, thus allowing that team to have a reason to be stingy on the compensation coming back out way.

We should have let Burns sweat, let him sit there for a few weeks and when he realized he wasn't getting this $30 million a year contract and knew he wasn't going to play a snap on the tag, he'd have been willing to sign a cheaper contract (in the $25M a year range) as it would have been that or sitting out the season.

I guarantee that teams would have given better compensation if they were able to get him on a cheaper deal like that, 100% chance a team more in contention would have given us a late 1st rounder for him on a deal like that.

This was Morgan and Tepper not having the balls the play this one out and force Burns to show his hand, which was that he was NEVER going to sign the tag and play on it, I'll never be convinced otherwise.

The Giants are paying Burns all that money to get dominated by a TE multiple times a game in the run/pass game. This is exactly what this team needed. For Brian Burns not to be on the roster when TC begins AND we got 2 picks out of the deal. Burns is the Giants problem now and good riddance.

Doesn't really fit what we need on offense. We need speed and YAC. He's more of a 50-50 ball/possession type guy. His speed isn't bad but he's not really a tackle breaker or someone who's going to out run coverage consistently.

At this point I'd be happy if we traded him for a Ham Sandwich. Still being able to get a 2nd and something else would be amazing.

12 hours ago, shaq said:

We have so little talent on this team, and have drafted horribly in recent years that we don’t even have that much outside of Derick Brown and maybe Jaycee to really pay big bucks. If we get nothing for Burns then this front office is incompetent, he’s a 25 year old with 46 sacks over the last 5 seasons. You do not let that player walk for nothing.

The people responsible for this situation have already been fired. The mistake was not taking the Rams offer. I would not hold these people accountable if they thought the best way out of this situation is to let Burns walk for nothing. I know that sounds crazy but he is not worth what he is demanding, not even close no matter how his stat sheet looks. We've seen the way he impacts games and it is no where near the price tag he is demanding. Forcing this current regime to tie up a portion of the cap on a player they don't believe in does not sound like a recipe of success to me.