Mr Mojo Risin

5 minutes ago, Varking said:

We would have to know, legit, what each QB is being asked to do. For starters what is this “more” that Bryce is doing? 63% completions?  Bottom five air yards per attempt? Bottom 5 starter TDs? While throwing top ten pass attempts per game? 
 

It’s a question nobody can answer because nobody here knows what the Steelers are asking of Kenny Pickett. We don’t know what the Raiders are asking of Jimmy G. We don’t know what the Patriots are asking of Mac Jones. We don’t even fully know what our own team is asking of Bryce. 
 

It’s difficult to trust what folks inside the organization are saying about Bryce when it’s easy to point out their lies regarding him. 
 

Only Daniel Jones is below him in yards out of the starters in the NFL to start 5 games. 
 

What is this more that he is doing that you can clearly point out?

I'm talking about strictly the TALENT around our rookie QB not what they are asked to do. The collection of WRs, Rbs, TEs, and Offensive lineman analyzed as an entire unit. Bryce easily has the worst collection of talent out of any other starting Qb in the NFL, and if he doesn't then who does is my question

3 minutes ago, Varking said:

I’ve already replied about the ratio. Just pointing out that completion percent when you throw a ton of passes and 90% of them are short doesn’t feel that impressive to me. 

When you have the worst collection of WR talent in the NFL its hard to have perfect stats. Add in the Offensive Line and Running game struggles and you have your answer why he has to throw so many short passes. Sure all of these sound like "excuses" to make up for poor play but surrounding your Franchise Qb with legit talent is a real thing in the NFL. Every team does it. I've asked this question a ton on this board and no one has been able to answer it, maybe you can? Which QB in the NFL is being asked to do more with less than Bryce Young currently?

31 minutes ago, Varking said:

We’ve also thrown more passes than anyone in the league. 

If you're adding Daltons almost 60 attempts in 1 game, sure. Bryce averages about 36 attempts per game through 5 games which would put him about 7th in the NFL. Still I'm not sure how this is relevant to your point if anything it speaks even more volume about Bryce. Throwing it that much with the worst collection of receiving talent in the NFL and he's still completing 63% of his passes is again, pretty remarkable.

7 hours ago, Varking said:

I’ll say anything over 2 yards of separation is NFL open. Could they be more open? Absolutely. But this is more than open enough to complete passes. 

Not a single one of our WRs is even league average. That is unacceptable period.

And for the record Bryce still completes passes. He's completed 20+ passes in every single game he's played despite the worst collection of WR talent in the NFL. Pretty remarkable.

1 hour ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

Like with Cam, you have to build your team around Bryce. Right now we're trying to plug Bryce into the team. Won't work. He needs a very specfic set of WRs, a CMC type back, and an OC who knows what he hell to do with him. Thank goodness for AT this season or Young would look even worse. So the real question is, will the Panthers do ALL they can to build a team for Bryce? Or will they continue to be stubborn and hope he somehow figures out how to make it work.

I don't think he needs top tier talent at all he just can not have the league worse or close to it. AT is 33 years old and is averaging 72.8 receiving yards per game including 2 100 yard games with Bryce (left out the game he had with Dalton). He had 0 such games last year in what many would deem a better offense and a better QB throwing him the ball. Young is revitalizing his career kind of like Cam did with Steve Smith. If we had more WRs getting open, an oline that could block well consistently, and a solid running game like we had today we wouldn't be 0-6 and Young would look a lot better than he has so far, but that's not reality nor will it get much better this season. I fully expect a much better year next year when it comes to Bryce. Not so sure we don't make some coaching/FO changes in the mean time though.

1 minute ago, frankw said:

Some of it is organizational failure some of it is just picking the wrong guy and that sadly happens just as often. I'm not going to bother with what if scenarios CMC is gone Moore is gone Bryce Young is here this is his team. He's going to get at least another few years and it looks like a new regime to showcase what he can do.

I'm going to have to break with you entirely on the Brees take my guy. If he looked like Brees we don't go down giving up 42 unanswered points.

I don't think Drew Brees in his 6th game in his rookie year would have faired much better tbh.

2 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Unlike Lawrence, Bryce needs to develop an arm as well. He has not shown anywhere near Lawrence's physical toolset, and that just makes Bryce's development curve that much steeper and that much more challenging, perhaps even that much less likely.

No they won't - very few actively want the team to fail. Just like in 2010, if/when the team starts to win then doubts are organically quieted, unlike right now when there really isn't much positive to speak of. Your 'prophecy' is self-fulfilling.

So when Trevor had 9 games of no passing TDs his rookie year and several 100 yard outing losses people were all clamoring about his physical ability to throw the football? I don't believe that to be accurate.

And to your other statement, there is no problem with being upset about the current state of the franchise and voicing your displeasure. You think I'm happy we are 0-6 with Brian Burns still on the roster and no 1st rounder next year? Of course not but I'm not going to poo all over our rookie QB who very clearly needs time to develop and upgrades around him like the poster I referenced does. Like I said earlier there are QBs that are currently playing worse than Bryce but are still winning games. What does that say?

A lot of those people I was talking about make such baseless generalizations and claims and like to "stir the pot" while we are losing only to jump on the bandwagon and act like nothing happened or was said when we start to win. Those are what we call "Fair weather" fans and they are some of the worst fans in all of sports

It's not what most people here want to hear but it's the truth. Bryce has had his ups and downs but I truly believe he's had more ups than downs so far this season. The offense and team in general haven't done him many favors. There are QBs who are playing worse than young yet are still winning games. That should tell people the problems with this team are deeper than the QB situation

Just now, frankw said:

Shanahan is as much responsible for his success as that supporting cast is. There are very few coaches like him out there. Him and Andy Reid are basically in their own league.

No doubt

Just now, frankw said:

I've seen a few posts in the other thread that got locked mention Purdy in relation to Young's development and I have to say that's gag worthy. Brock Purdy is not who we should be hoping for our #1 pick to be. If that's best case scenario blow this whole thing up and start over.

I mean imagine if Young had that dudes coaching and supporting cast. Would be a whole lot less crying and complaining around here that's forsure

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

lololololololololololololol

 

::takesbreath:::

 

lololololololololololololol

 

Holy fuging poo some of you guys are too much

Whatever you say, Chuck.

Just now, AceBoogie said:

One of my best friends is a Jags fan. I went to Clemson. I had to tell him that T Law would be good just like I’ve tried to do with people here. Took some time, but now he loves him. Some people just lack foresight man. 

Unfortunately there are a lot of mrcompletely11s running around on this board currently. If this team ever starts to win again they will slowly begin to disappear and instead of reading the annoying drivel in every thread it will fade like a soft whisper. Just gotta give it time.

Just now, raleigh-panther said:

No

what I’ve said is a QB needs  to show the ability to elevate himself and his team and if not the ability, the promise of the ability.

i do not see that.   ….at all.

i have not seen that in any  game the young man has been in and I continue  to say he has neither the arm or the legs to scare a nfl defense and that is a problem as the noose around his neck will get tighter and tighter as a result. 
 

he is a game manager, not a star, and all pieces must be present for game managers at the pro level

he plays scared  

 I believe in 3 years, maybe less, the Panthers will be starting over 

I hope I’m wrong.   … then again, having bought tickets and PSLs since 1995, my give a damn is pretty broken particularly with the people calling the shots ..I leave it for younger people to buy tickets 

Did Trevor Lawrence show an ability to elevate his team when he went 3-14 his rookie year with 12 tds to 17 ints? How isn't it possible for a rookie to get better when he is CLEARLY in a bad situation with a lack of talent and the team perpetually under performing? The defense gave up 42 points in back to back weeks. Last week they had the excuse of 2 costly INTs and a terrible fumble. This week Bryce had 0 Turnovers. Still had to score over over 40 to win. How is that realistic expectations at this point in his career? They aren't.

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

maybe you should take a hint

I've gotten plenty of hints that you are still the least knowledgeable person and worst poster on this message board, is that what you mean?

There was a time when Matt Rhule was coach and all I did was voice my displeasure with how he was running things and how bad of a coach he was and because I didn't have my Panthers blinders on I was banned from posting in the main forum.

Fast forward to 2023 when all I've done is voice support for our young struggling QB and now that is being frowned upon and threatened with another possible banning. This place is hilarious and another reason why I believe this cursed franchise/fan base is getting exactly what they deserve.

Just now, raleigh-panther said:

Not playing that game. ..and it actually proves what I was saying  there is nothing about this kid in the NFL that elevates what he does have  

Too, your question could be made for every team in the league at any point in time either due to poor drafting, free agency or injury or in the Panthers, all of that, with scheme changes added in that dont fit the personnel 

I’m talking on pure talent in the NFL.  The NFL isn’t college and it isn’t a video game  and as likable at dinner  as this young man may be, none of that matters in the nfl  

when he has the opportunity, when it matters, he doesn’t hit it  …don’t care about what he does in garbage time 

I hope it changes for the Panthers sake but I just don’t see it. 

 

So you don't believe that a team needs to surround their franchise QB with talent and that they should be able to put up good stats and win games no matter how good the collection of talent is around them? That is what you believe?

Just now, raleigh-panther said:

We can agree to disagree

i wish Bryce nothing but success.  Good for him good for the franchise 

I simply believe what my eyes tell me and they tell me he is not a NFL QB 

There is nothing that shows me that in any game, running or passing   

its ok if you see things differently.   I also wouldn’t have drafted him 

Sure but can you at least answer the question I posed to you though? Which team's QB has less to work with than Bryce currently does?

1 hour ago, raleigh-panther said:

No one wants Bryce to fail

‘learning and adapting’  is great but a player either has a nfl arm or the movement to tax and stretch a defense or he doesn't.  

i just don’t  see how he succeeds …and without perfect pieces around him, I don’t see how he ever succeeds   

I’m not saying that to be a contrarian.  I am just going by what my eyes tell me 

I believe Parcells was correct in saying  ‘he better walk on water’ and all I’ve seen at the nfl level,  except when the game is already decided, is a whole lot of drowning 

It's not that pieces need to be perfect for Bryce to succeed. They just need to not be the worst in the NFL. Look around the league and as a collective who has a worse running game oline and WR group as we do? We don't have a Cam Newton ready to throw to a bunch of JAGs his entire career. We have a QB who is much better in the short to mid game and he needs the weapons to mirror that. Why is it such an asinine thought that Bryce's downfield passing game will get better as the pieces around him get better?

58 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Because that was what was force fed to us by analysts,  the team, and certain fans from the draft till now. Lets be real, its not people on this forum that need to be talked down, the experts are supposed to know more than us technically and should be giving more incite on why bryce isnt playing up to his draft status. 

Ok but at the end of the day what's that have to do with Bryce? Was it Bryce Young saying those things? That's what I'm getting at. Fans want to take it out on Bryce and hold that against him when none of that garbage was his fault. The anger is misplaced when it comes to where he's at in his development. It sucks to have to have patience because all we've done is lose the last 5 years with nothing to look forward too. It's definitely worrisome that we are 0-5 probably 0-6 going into the bye, but that speaks more to the coaching staff than it does to our undersized rookie QB.

There are plenty of examples of young QBs struggling early, even former #1 overall picks. There are examples of young QBs balling out early even former #1 overall picks. No two situations are the same and unfortunately this offense just isn't the best to drop a rookie #1 pick into it and expect instant success. Oline has struggled, no running game, and historically slow WRs not getting much separation. Doesn't sound like we are setting him up for success. 

3 hours ago, raleigh-panther said:

Appreciate what you say 

but. fields

1. Has a nfl sturdy build

2. can run and does  run without hesitancy or fear so the defense has to watch for that 

3  has a nfl level arm

Bryce may be a better processor in time but for now, his physical limitations are showing and he can’t run to hide the line weaknesses and he can’t or doesn’t throw deep so all the defense has to do is just close in on him. Over and over and over 

I want him to succeed but honestly, I don’t know what that looks like with him 

But that's the whole point. Aren't guys built like Cam Newton suppose to show out early because of their athleticism and more favorable measurables? Bryce doesn't have that to rely on he has everything working against him when it comes to his "physical limitations" so why would we expect him to come into the NFL and set the world on fire right away? Especially with this supporting cast. Just because he isn't dominating doesn't mean he doesn't have any traits, or an NFL arm, or isn't as smart as advertised. He just needs time. He needs exactly what he's getting now. Real NFL action against real NFL defenses. Being smart and a more cerebral person doesn't always mean you are out smarting and out playing people from day 1. It means he has the ability to learn and adapt to his environment and once it finally starts to click for him it will begin to translate onto the field. I truly believe Bryce just needs some time and more experience and he will be just fine.

20 minutes ago, frankw said:

98% of Panthers fans want him to succeed. Only a few trolls want the team to be horrific and an overall embarrassment.

Just as those trolls are making discourse difficult those who want to constantly speak on Bryce's behalf at every little hint of criticism because he's a #1 overall pick are continuing the cycle of repetitive circular arguments. Let him show us all something and stop speaking as if he's already arrived. You are not his mom and dad. He's not playing at Alabama anymore. We need Bryce Young to step up and just play some football and have fun. Don't be timid don't be afraid of throwing a pick looking downfield. Just go out there and give defenses a reason to think you can beat them with your arm. That's why you were the top pick. All this other outside noise doesn't matter.

Have you ever read a gameday thread? It's definitely more than 2%.

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

Another lol

 

You think that's the only time he's done that?

Making up a route on the fly in the huddle? Through the first 5 weeks? Yes mrcompletely11 I do

2 minutes ago, Varking said:

Bruh he made this adjustment before they even got to the line to snap. He KNEW what the defense was doing before they even lined up. 

That's true he did but he did it one time out of how many snaps in 5 games? That's great he was able to do that and execute it for a TD but lets not act like this is what he's been doing since the first game and every snap thereafter. It was one play.

1 hour ago, *FreeFua* said:

Seeing how bad this coaching staff is we should’ve just rolled with Corral and he would’ve led us to Williams or Maye

Much like we should’ve never signed Teddy and we would’ve possibly landed Lawrence. Although I think we would’ve ended up with Wilson since the Jags only won 1 game that season 

If we landed Lawrence this fan base would have poo all over him for his rookie year. He went 3-14 had 12 tds and 17 ints with virtually the same weapons Bryce has now. He also started 0-5 with his 1st win coming in week 6 against who? IF you guessed the Dolphins you'd be correct! Maybe it's a sign that a major upset is on the horizon

13 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

your example is from 6 games ago?  Damn thats not helping his case

 

edit to say:  just watched said throw and that is a damn wounded duck floater

You called this pass at 1:57 a wounded duck floater? 

I hope you're joking even though I know you're not. You continue to prove you actually dont know poo about football and one of the worst posters on this entire message board if that was the pass you referenced as a wounded duck floater. It was a spiral that would have hit Thielen in the face 20 yards downfield. Lol.