Mr Mojo Risin

On 2/19/2024 at 7:33 PM, ECHornet said:

I disagree with him on Worthy being a body catcher. He shows elite hands catching in his highlights. He pairs that with an ability to make something out of nothing and he’s a great returner. I like him with our 2nd rounder. He does comp him as a taller Tank Dell so I’d take that all day. (The very first clip in the video below shows one of the toughest hands catches WR face in football)
 

 

Then he mentions Legette as a “better” DK Metcalf. It’s not going to happen, but if Legette slips to the 3rd like some mocks are pushing, adding both Xaviers to our WR core would completely flip that room for us. 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Smitty counted that first catch as a body catch with the way he traps the ball to his body. He does a great job of tracking the ball and I don't have a particular issue with how he "caught" it but he definitely pins it into his body like most body catches. Still a great play regardless though.

3 hours ago, The Lobo said:

By not accepting the rams trade this team made their decision. Now if they trade him for less than what the rams offered, that’s a big fat L. They have to reach an agreement some way, although I think paying him 30 mil is too much. His production does not match that. If he gets it, good for him, get the bag. 

The only L would be signing him to a long term deal. As long as Burns is not on the roster by TC its a huge win for the Panthers.

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He should fire himself as the offensive play caller. There's only been 7 double digit comebacks on SB history. He's been the offensive play caller on the wrong side of 3 of them. That's wild.

Yea but he's also a large part of the reason they are even in the SB to begin with. Wilks on the other hand is not

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Shanahan has blown a double digit lead in the Super Bowl as an offensive play caller not once, not twice, but three times.

You again aren't wrong but I can definitely see why he chose to fire Wilks. That unit honestly under performed for most of the year and the defensive play calling during that GW drive will probably haunt them for awhile. It was pretty bad.

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm not Wilks' biggest fan but the dude got scapegoated. That D allowed 19 points in regulation to an offense led by Patrick Mahomes and ran by Andy Reid. The offensive wunderkind could t put up enough points. If you'd told him before the game their D would only give up 19 points and force two turnovers he would've very confidently told you what champagne he wanted for the post-game toast.

I get that but Wilks blinked in the biggest moment of his career. They had the KC offense on its heels after MVS caught that ball and ran 3 yards backwards passed the LOS. He then ran a prevent defense and allowed KC to nickle and dime them up and down the field. Shanahan even called a TO after they converted because I'm guessing he was pissed off at the defense his DC just called and rightly so. This move all but affirms that.

Really surprised no one has been calling out Wilks for playing 5 DBs off the ball on KC's final drive. After they converted the 4th and 1 MVS caught a 3 yard pass, broke a tackle going backwards and ended up losing 3 yards. Instead of playing up in the WRs faces like they were doing all game he had ALL of his DBs 5+ yards back off the ball allowing easy completions for Mahomes and Co. to go right down the field. It doesn't surprise me it fits Wilks's conservative nature and further reinforces why I'm glad we didn't choose him for a HC. I wouldn't be surprised to see him fired for that last drive and the overall struggles the 49ers defense had this season.

4 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

Great receivers generally have longer careers than other football greats. It creates an unintentional logjam, but there's an overall logjam of players in general because of the small number who are recognized.

Still, it should be hard to get into the Hall of Fame. And Steve Smith should definitely been in already... it's as if our team's advocate/presenter either isn't very good at it or is soft playing the guy. The reasons for his induction are on tape... miles and miles of tape. 

Edit to add: That being said, Julius Peppers is definitely one of the biggest game changers to ever walk onto an NFL field. He deserved that first ballot induction like no other. What a phenomenal athlete and fellow.

I don't think there is a better more entertaining highlight reel than a Steve Smith reel. He was the furthest thing from a one dimensional receiver and made an incredible number of defenders look silly. All the while playing in run dominant offenses with borderline pro bowl QB talent (3-4 years with a pro bowl QB if that).

1 hour ago, csx said:

He needs a lot for a #1 pick. He was supposed to make those around him better.

I wonder what Joe Burrow would look like without Mixon, Higgins, Boyd, and Chase and instead had Sanders, TMJ, Chark, and Thielen. I feel like some people in Cinci would be getting fired

2 hours ago, GhostOfDocAnderson said:

 

Our receivers would improve significantly if paired with a competent QB who can deliver the ball on time and make accurate throws longer than 20 yards. As of right now, it's hard to judge how much of this putrid ranking is due to Bryce and how much is due to the receivers themselves. I suspect it's mostly on Bryce, because our play calling was likely limited by his abilities, so that our receivers aren't being schemed open as often as other teams.

I also suspect our receivers became discouraged and stopped trying as hard to get open because they knew Bryce was hopelessly out of his depth. According to PFF, our receivers were actually close to NFL average in getting separation during the 1st half of the season, but Bryce simply failed to get them the ball. After Reich's firing, the performance of our receivers nosedived, which tells me that this was a morale problem due to poor QB play and organizational turmoil. I don't blame the receivers, because why bust your ass running routes when your QB simply isn't capable of making the necessary throws and making them on time?

 

I mean you can clearly watch the film and see that in 1 out of 3 drop backs Young didn't have anywhere to go with the football in multiple games and multiple times this season. You pair the WR struggles with the Oline struggles on top of having an undersized nonathletic QB under center and it's quite easy to see what the problem was. Nothing fit together and every unit underperformed. Throw all of that in with a bland archaic offensive philosophy with no real direction and you have one of the worst offenses ever assembled in NFL History. Young wasn't good but he was far from being the only reason why this offense was so poo.

4 hours ago, Carl Spackler said:

28 seasons, 3 good WR draft picks.

Brandon LaFell was solid. He was one of the few Panthers that was still a solid player for another team after he left us. Most of the time after the Panthers move on from a player specifcally a WR they are usually never heard from again. LaFell might not have been a #1 but I think he was still a solid player for us

Burns will never play up to what we will be forced to pay him. We are better off letting him go for absolutely nothing and using that cash saved elsewhere vs locking him up long term.

I'd prefer we get something for him but honestly as long as he isn't on the team by the start of next season it's a win for the Panthers

10 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

Stroud would still be the superior player if the situations were equal.

It has already been proven many times over that Bryce did not in fact have the worst OL in the league. 

Bryce was given the benefit of the doubt but about 9 games in of 25/44 134 yards we got fed up with the bullshit. 

We can all see his ceiling is an Alex Smith and that is not good enough in todays league and definitely not worth what we gave up for him. 

What you fail to acknowledge is that while we didn't have the worst Oline in the league it was one of the worst especially when you look at just the OG position. You combine that with slow WRs who arent getting separation and a scheme that isn't doing anyone on offense any favors and its very easy to see how a young QB struggled in his first year here. I wish football was all about just one position or position group but it isn't. You look at the good offenses in the NFL and they put their players in position to succeed and all 11 players are doing their part consistently. The Panthers had 0 consistency from any player not named Thielen on offense last year. 

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Is it true or not?

I wish we would've had an opportunity to see more of Dalton to have a bigger sample size.

I don't hate Bryce. He seems like a truly decent young man. I do hate that we traded a bunch of assets to take him #1 overall but that's not on him.

I too would have wished we saw more of Dalton. It would have given us a clearer picture on what was actually holding this team back. A quick glance puts a lot of it on Bryce and rightfully so but I truly believe he was in one of the most fuged up situations you could possibly find yourself in as a #1 pick

9 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Our #1 overall pick that we traded significant assets to acquire got sacked 62 times. He was 29th in yards per game. 32nd in yards per completion. 33rd in air yards per attempt. 28th in TDs. 30th in QBR. 32nd in passer rating. 

Bryce was near the absolute bottom of the league in every metric for a QB. But he only missed one game due to injury (when his over the hill journeyman backup put up our best passing game of the season) and you want to spike the football over that. You're making a complete ass of yourself.

Andy Dalton with the best passing game of the season is some major cope as you and your loyal followers like to say. He threw the ball 60 times to hit that magical number of 361 yards. Against Green Bay Young had only 50 less yards in almost 1/2 the attempts (33 vs 58) and Bryce has had a higher passer rating in 4 other games than Dalton had in his 1 game. 

You like to call people out for there "cope" yet you keep spewing this garbage about Dalton having the best game of the year for us at QB and that's not true. Just admit your hate for Young and move on. Even if he had a good year I have a feeling you and your followers would still be out here with your pitch forks. Give it a rest already

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Remember in the preseason when Icky looked like a speed bump and Bryce looked like a JV QB playing against the varsity squad and I said this was hugely concerning and y'all laughed and said all serious fans know preseason doesn't matter and how much better we'd look when we started game planning? I remember.

 

It was a catastrophic failure on all fronts starting with Tepper. How do we have all this knowledge and experience to pull from with this staff and wind up 2-15? It really is mind boggling and of course after you go back and dissect every move we've made it's easy to see how we got here. I keep saying how didn't we know any better with this staff that we had in place? And then it dawns on me that even if someone had every correct answer imaginable Tepper is still going to do what Tepper wants to do period. It's been a terrible fuging year to be a Panthers fan and the future doesn't look very bright albeit some miracle Bryce develops with the next HC but even I know that is a stretch. 

Remember how Stroud looked in the preseason? That would be the CJ Stroud the Panthers would have had had we drafted him. There's no way he reaches his potential here the way he did in Houston.

1 hour ago, FugginPoo said:

The banged up dolphins flopped on the road in below freezing temps? Shocker

That's why you can only take the Huddle Hot Takes with a grain of salt. Tua is a fine NFL QB who had a rough night on the road in one of the toughest environments to play in. But these numb skulls will try and paint a definitive picture after 1 bad game, or season and think they have a clue what they're talking about

3 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

I can tell you live a sad life. Get some sleep buddy things will get better.

 

#CopeHardLife

My life is great. Making money watching football and conversing on a message board with some single digit Football IQers. What more could you ask for?

Just now, frankw said:

Please log out and stop coping this hard. You are embarrassing yourself.

See here's the thing though. I'm not a "Bryce Young" fan I'm a Carolina Panthers fan and I know football. And what I know is no matter whose name was on the back of the QB jersey for the Panthers offense in '23 it was going to be the same dog poo team regardless. The sooner you assclowns realize this then I will be able to log out and stay logged out in peace!

Just now, CamWhoaaCam said:

May shouldn't even be a debate. He is.

 

If he doesn't get injured he wins MVP as a rookie! Sorry guys but we will regret this for a long time. This kid might be the face of the NFL.

Regret what exactly? You honestly think the Panthers become a playoff team had we taken Stroud over Bryce? Lol. Stroud would be getting dumped on just like Bryce is currently had we drafted him. This team wasn't going to be successful even if you had Jesus Christ himself playing QB.

1 hour ago, BrianS said:

Statistically, our offensive line surrendered pressures and delivered pocket times on a even playing field with averages across the league.

That doesn't account for where the pressure is coming from though. Most of the time when a QB is under pressure he can step up in the pocket to avoid it. If the majority of the pressure is coming from the middle of the oline that's a severe problem and not one most NFL teams have issues with. There's a reason Tackles are paid more than Guards. It's a harder position to play and harder to pass block on the edge especially with the type of athletes that are lining up out there. Guards shouldn't struggle anywhere near where our OGs struggled in pass pro. It was historically bad. You can scheme and play around edge pressure. You cannot scheme and play around pressure that comes from up the middle on a consistent basis that will ruin any offensive scheme 

28 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

So maybe we shouldnt have drafted a midget at qb if the conditions have to be perfect for him to perform

Who said anything about perfect? How about we start with league average instead of historically bad and go from there

Draft a 5' 10 QB follow that up with historically bad OG play and we wonder why our 5' 10 QB struggled so much. Getting beat on the outside is one thing. Consistant pressure up the middle makes it almost impossible to play QB at a high level.

Tepper is a fuging moron (we already know he is but still) if he doesn't at least give Harbaugh an interview. 

I can't think of another HC prospect that would have a better chance of turning this fuging train wreck into something salvageable other than Jim Harbaugh

4 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Thats understandable...but regardless of what happens in the off season Bryce still needs to show some type of improvement next year. We cannot look at evaluations of the draft and FA and make self-determinations that what was done isnt good enough for bryce to succeed. BRYCE STILL NEEDS TO SHOW some type of GROWTH from last season. This cannot become a carousel every year of the roster not being good enough for him.

If Bryce looks like the same player with a better coaching hire and better offensive cast then I will be leading that charge. I think he will be improved. Will it be 4k passing 30 Tds improved? Not likely but a serviceable game manager is what I hope it at the very least it looks like next year. It won't be worth what we traded up for but it'd be a start.