Mr Mojo Risin

1 hour ago, toldozer said:

He looks and sounds like he's 15 years old. You gonna tell me what to do? Nah I'm good. Stroud is a softer spoken guy too but when your play is lighting it up you command respect. When you can't Crack 185 yards passing and put more then 1 touchdown drive together in a game dude's aren't going to follow you 

And by no means are any of those "dudes" responsible for the 185 yards a game and the reason we can't score more than 1 touchdown, its ALL on the QB right? Coaching doesn't matter, scheme doesn't matter, personnel doesn't matter, getting open doesn't matter, blocking for more than half a second doesn't matter, being able to run the ball effectively doesn't matter, literally NONE of that matters only that the QB is effective no matter what else is going on around him. Got it, Thanks for clearing all of that up

14 hours ago, Dave Gettleman's Shorts said:

the loser mentality Cam spoke of and tried to get rid of when he was here. half the players are just collecting paychecks or are more concerned with ping pong game in the locker room

Part of the reason Thielen said he signed with us was because they had some sort of golfing simulator in the locker room lol

4 hours ago, PanthersPain said:

Ok guys correct me if I’m wrong but… Bryce was the consensus num 1 coming out of that draft. There is a reason why he came out as the first pick, and reports and news prior to the draft all pointed to that direction. He clearly had the best resume out of all college qbs at the time, and was places num 1 for his talents.

 

I’m not sure what most panthers fans are watching.. but it’s not hard to see Bryce as a talented qb. He legitimately has a lack of every single position to help him out… and he isn’t Cam he can’t just run every play when no one’s open! Someone correct me here… cus in my mind, the people who are putting the blame on our num1 pick aren’t looking at context correctly… or even watching the games!

Cam had the benefit of playing in a system that utilized his talents with the Chudz offense. He then spent the rest of his career overcoming Shula ball but yea. It's been clear since the preseason Reichs offensive vision didn't take advantage of what Young excelled at in college. Will be interesting to see who we choose next. I'm hoping it's Harbaugh personally but thats probably a long shot

10 hours ago, AceBoogie said:

I’m convinced anyone who wants to see Dalton has a miserable life and can only hope to watch meaningless snaps for a chance of feeling slightly better on Sundays. 

Dalton would be on IR if he took even half of the shots Young has taken. Talk poo about the dudes size all you want but he is as tough as they come

9 hours ago, CRA said:

I don’t think Trevor and that offense is what got Urban fired though.  It got Frank. Urban just got Urban fired.  

It was definitely apart of it. Trevor Lawrence was more hyped than Bryce coming out of college and had a not so great rookie year

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Starting to feel like Fitts is just a proxy. Here, cash these checks so I can have a legit looking GM on paper and then rubber stamp Dave and Nicole's decisions. I mean, Fitts took a "GM" job that didn't include final roster say. He essentially took a job to be a career college coach's wet nurse. So we already know Fitts is willing to be GM in title only.

I just struggle to believe that folks with legit football backgrounds would have made as many roster mistakes as Fitts and company have. And I really struggle to believe that someone as impatient as Tepper would sit by and watch it happen while firing everyone else twice.

I honestly think Tepper is essentially the GM.

Exactly. Who knows which decisions were actually Fitt and not Tepper pulling the strings telling him what to do or say

40 minutes ago, frankw said:

I absolutely will commend him on his toughness.

There is concern about arm strength. I mean we've been talking about his issues with the deep ball going back to his pro day. Back in training camp at fan fest between him Dalton and Corral he was by a significant margin the worst in deep throw drills. We chalked it up to chemistry and new offense.

Beyond that his movements within the pocket and footwork are a big concern. He has become accustomed to habits that help give him time to see the field. Even then when those work to plan he has that odd hop with some of his throws.

I have to be completely honest there were throws yesterday that Levis made that I simply cannot see Bryce Young making. That's what he's going to have to prove at this level.

All we can do from here is wonder how much of the struggles of the OL are contributing.

But if we have to surround him with a stellar supporting cast from top to bottom we lost that trade big time. You make a move like we did for a QB who will elevate their surroundings. I've seen nothing that would qualify.

You have to surround your QB with good players though. EVERY team does it but the Carolina Panthers. What QB has a worse collection of talent than Bryce Young in the NFL? There are college teams that have better talent than we do currently.

 Honestly this is the best thing for Bryce if he's going to succeed in the NFL at all. Gotta find someone that can fix this offense

2 minutes ago, Jmac said:

Complete opposite of Cam Newton. He was flashy with a funky hairstyle. Young is a choir boy, polite, and not loud.

Unfortunately, that's not enough to play and win in the NFL 

You know what also isn't enough to win in the NFL? Having the worst collection of Oline, WRs, TEs, and RBs in the entire NFL. Bottom. Tier. Every position group. Not only is it impossible to win with but also impossible to play like a top 15 QB with that mess. Throw in the playcalling and you could have drafted Jesus Christ himself #1 overall and he'd look like a bust in this offense

He's been Byron Bell level bad in pass pro this year. I thought he'd shake it off after the rough preseason but man...he has been beaten like a drum consistently all season long

4 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I really don't care what was projected it was all speculation.  The situation is no where close to the same. Gross, Wharton, Kalil, Steve Smith, Greg Olsen, Jeremy Shockey, Williams is on a different level that what we have going on.  Hype before the season means nothing if our staff/players can't deliver.  Reich has neutered the best thing about our offense in the OL and turned them into a weakness.  It's all a complete mess. 

We've already discussed the Dalton thing which shows it's an outlier unless you believe he will have a GOAT type season for us, or maybe Seattle had some secondary issues which is why we threw it 58 times in that loss.  

He could be a bust, but expecting a rookie to pop in here and have a Cam Newton type season with Reich and this roster is a pipe dream and going to leave you disappointed.  We need a new GM and HC (honestly a new owner but that's a different story), if Young busts and that leads to Fitt and Reich leaving then there is something good that comes out of it.  

Quality post. Few and far between on this board these days

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Just a reminder for everyone trying to grasp at straws, make excuses, and find a play here and there through none games to cling to... this is what you're hoping to see from #1 overall picks.

Cam's first game highlights:

Cam had more highlights in his first game than Bryce has in nine. Hell, he had more by halftime. Bryce isn't gonna be anything like that. Now we're hoping he can just become a competent game manager and maybe not throw pick sixes on simple crossing routes.

Lol

On 11/19/2023 at 9:57 PM, Panthercougar68 said:

Ding Ding Ding...if you find someone to maximize interior oline play it will be night and day. Bryce can't step up into a space that doesn't exist. Drew Brees lived like this...Hurr durrr before anyone says he's not Drew Brees go back and watch the pucker factor when he had Evans and Grubbs as his guards.

First it was Jahri Evans and Carl Nicks...two perennial first team all pro guards. But no one here wants to hear or admit that. They'd rather be miserable and call Bryce a bust even after acknowledging the dearth of talent we have on offense and the disconnect amongst our coaching staff. They will be the first to point at all we gave up for Bryce and quickly forget that if you want a young QB to be successful he needs solid play and talent from the people around him. We got rid of DJ Moore and CMC. Two excellent pieces to surround a young "undersized" QB with. What did we replace them with again? Lol. We changed blocking schemes from what was working to forcing our guys to play out of position. Our WRs can't get any separation off the LoS. Miles Sanders is trash. It's a complete and total disaster on offense. But hey let's blame the rookie QB that we traded all of our offensive talent to get for not having stats like CJ Stroud every Sunday. Some real brilliant football minds on this board.

Man I sure wish we had Dak Prescott at QB he would be DOMINATING in this offense

1 minute ago, MGH1989 said:

It’s 3rd and 17 with a line that couldn’t block a pack of puppies, yet he excepts miracles? Lmfao okay guy.

That guy has to be Carolina-chuck and if not they are definitely related just ignore what he says lol

1 minute ago, 45catfan said:

Sure, in garbage time.  That's when Bryce shines. 

Probably because they sit all their starting pass rushers and he actually has time to throw. What a weird coincidence that is isn't it?

There's that $30 million a year DE

1 minute ago, AceBoogie said:

Can’t play QB with this line. 

That's not what the all knowing brainiacs of the carolina huddle believe!

3 hours ago, Growl said:

I don’t even know why we’d be comparing Young to Dalton, the two are at completely separate points in their careers.

the only people who want that are coming from the angle of “we need to see if it’s Bryce fault so he can be criticized!”

what does that accomplish? The team isn’t waging a debate with you. They’re proceeding as if he’s going to be the QB for a while. The goal is to help him develop, not throw meat to people who are out to see him fail. They aren’t evaluating, they’re developing.

he’s going to be the QB here next season. 

Yea it's a pretty silly argument but when Carolina Panthers Football is your only source of entertainment in your life it's kind of hard to hide that you're just a miserable person and it actually has nothing to do with Bryce Young or Panthers Football. That's all I gather from their strawman arguments

4 hours ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

lol at the narrative that the texans skill position players are greatest show on the earth tier

uh whatever helps you cope

it isnt that much different then what cam had in 2015 and he made it work, just like stroud is

This was a hail mary away from being the worst team in the NFL last year

face it, stroud is a franchise changing player, and bryce.... isn't

yet

He needs to play and take his lumps like he has been. What else is this season for? Hopefully he can learn from the (mostly bad) experiences that this year has been and hopefully next year we're able to build around and play to our offenses strengths. We need to either overhaul the oline or switch blocking schemes or something. I don't really see them improving in this scheme. We need players who can get YAC and make plays with the ball in their hands. The tall 50/50 ball possession WRs are obviously not the type of WR that fits how Young plays QB. Need guys who can run after the catch. We honestly had the 2 perfect players that would compliment Bryce (and most other QBs) well in CMC and DJ Moore. Young would be a completely different player if they were here and I bet we'd have more wins. Gotta find a way to get some talent on this offense.

6 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Here's the thing though. All those other guys went to the worst team in the league. A team that earned the #1 overall pick. We traded up from #9. And we gave up a LOT.

These things are not the same.

Exactly...we gave up A LOT including CMC and DJ Moore and who did we replace them with? You people talk like winning a few meaningless games at the end of last year some how made us a relevant team when we weren't. These situations with other #1 picks are a lot similar than what you people want to believe. All of those QBs had talent added around them on offense and low and behold they improved!!!! What an amazing concept!

Better not see any of you who are running your mouth thinking you got it all figured out 7 games into Bryce's career become fans if he ends up becoming a good player for us. You same people disappeared and didn't have poo to say when he had a solid game and beat the Texans last week. Not a single peep from any of you. You literally sat there and waited until our rookie had a bad game to come back out with your pitch forks and vomit all over the forum again. If Bryce turns into a good QB for us I expect you guys to delete your accounts, find a new team to cheer for, or get down on your knees and open your mouth as wide as you can because this fan base is an absolute disgrace. 

3 hours ago, Carolina Cajun said:

Bryce might become a good NFL qb, we still dont really know, hes 7 games into his career and yes he just had his worst game BY FAR.  The amount of people who are all in on "Bryce is a complete bust, complete trash, isnt good" on here is absurd.  Just because hes supposed to be a cerebral QB doesnt mean he cant poo the bed.  

Cam newton in year 3 games where he threw 3 INTs his rookie season, including a 4INT game.

Hell the guy we "compare him to" drew brees, in 2012 in the midst of him at his best had a game against atlanta where he threw 5 INTs and zero TDs.  For a rookie, a shitty game is just that.  He HAS shown promise, and he HAD been improving week over week all season till that game.

I do agree Stroud is prlly a generational talent, hes showing it and I did want him, but was ok with bryce.

Lastly, I'll just say this, You are huffing paint if you think that Bryce Young is our biggest problem.  We have huge problems on the line and at receiver.  We can be pissed at the team, the owner, the coaches, and the window licking GM, but over reacting to Youngs stinker is beyond dumb

If people want to argue that we made the wrong pick 8 games into their rookie seasons I don't blame them and I can understand with how well Stroud has done so far. However, EXPECTING a rookie QB to have the type of rookie season Stroud  is having or Cam Newton had is just asinine. The majority of rookie Qbs who turn out to be good take time. A lot of guys don't play right away or turn in only partial seasons.

Regardless of what was said 20 weeks ago in the middle of the off-season we as fans know we do not have a talented roster on the offensive side of the ball. We just don't. We traded away a top 10 WR and the best RB in the NFL and replaced them with Miles Sanders and a 33 year old Adam Thielen.

Come on guys, let's be real, let's use our brains a bit. This offensive cast is nowhere near where it needs to be for a young QB to come in and play lights out football, and I haven't even gotten to the oline yet which is probably our most overrated unit/collection of players besides Brian Burns. I could go on and on as to why Bryce is struggling. He's made some bad plays it's unfortunate 4 of his turnovers have gone for TDs this year. He's made mistakes you just can't make if you want to win consistently in the NFL and that's okay. He's a rookie. He's going to have rough patches. He likely will the rest of his NFL career, that's life as an NFL Qb especially one on a roster that's as terrible as ours is currently.

I believe people are overreacting emotionally because of what we gave up/passed up to get Bryce and he's just not ready to carry this team by himself yet. He probably won't ever be good enough to do that. That's why we need to give him weapons and let the overrated Brian Burns go play and get paid by someone else. We need to use that 30 mill/year on offense to replace what we lost to get Bryce.

9 minutes ago, frankw said:

If you weren't saying this in defense of Teddy Bridgewater or Sam Darnold this just sounds like sour grapes bud.

Those guys actually had quality offensive players around them. And neither of them were rookie 1st year QBs, so no I wasn't saying that about them. Great comparisons though keep them coming