Mr Mojo Risin

Just now, ickmule said:

He’s still won more games than our guy.  Don’t get too giddy. 

Yet he's 0-1 against our guy. The better QB won today and that's all that matters

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

I've never seen so much cockiness after one ugly win.

Be happy for the win but good grief... this is embarrassing

 

We have to read the regurgitated bullpoo you and the rest of the Stroud huggers have been spewing all season yet your boy couldn't show up for you against a 0-6 team and only put up 13 points against a defense that is bottom 3 in the NFL in points given up. Not a good look honestly

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

I wanted Richardson. Stroud has just been the best rookie QB so far by a decent margin.

Yea Stroud really showed that off today didn't he

Bump

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

We finally won a game and y'all dumbasses just wanna talk poo about me? 

Ahahahahahahaha!!!!!

I love it!!!!

You and the rest of the Stroud nut huggers had it coming after all the poo you have talked

3 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Yeah okay champ, I know this...Cj has one interception and barely any turnovers on the season. Did bryce not throw 2 crucial interceptions in the first GAME that WINNABLE which led to points? Did he not do the same thing in the saints game with a turnover that led to points for the other team in a close defensive game? Did he not do the SAME THING again in a winnable game against the winless vikings that led to points for the other team in a game where are defense SPOTTED HIM POINTS plus he had a opportunity to win the game late but missed theilen open in the endzone?  Listen,  you can keep living in your fantasy world where stroud is still second fiddle and doesn't have franchise changing impact all you like, stroud is the one working with first year head coaches and coordinators, he also has a team with a stacked IR list, he is the one that went to an organization where anybody especially some hypocritical folks on this forum would have said is worse ran the panthers before this season started. Bryce "occasional" rookie mistakes have literally cost us wins, mistakes stroud just isnt making right now on an inexperienced team so spare your whining. Your hypotheticals are just as uselesss, what must people would have a clear confidence in is that the guy who putting up historic numbers and changing culture qualities would have any team in the win column right now good or bad organization because thats the type of impact he has. Panthers wouldnt be winless with stroud....GET OVER IT.

You are so obsessed with Stroud and blinded by your own emotions lol. Who gives a poo if Stroud has the better rookie year? Who honestly gives a poo if he wins a few more games than Bryce this season and what does that have to do with how they do over the rest of their careers? Bryce has gotten out to a slower start than CJ and you act like the entire story has already been written. It's 7 games in into their rookie years nothing is definitive no matter how many words you want type in caps lock.

There are QBs that have had worse stats than Bryce this year and they have won games. That tells you it's not all on the rookie QB to win games. Every team deals with turnovers at inoppurtune times but only a few teams get scored on as much as we do, does Bryce play defense? That first game and second game of Bryces career where he had nowhere to go with the football in 1 out of 3 drop backs? You want him to go run the routes too? What about a rookie OG giving up over 30 pressures in 2 games (a historic number btw never has been done before). You want Bryce to go out there and pass block? How about the highest paid RB in FA avging under 2 YPC. You want Bryce to play RB?

Christ. Gotta love Panthers fans. You'd think after Cam Newton Panthers fans out of all other NFL Fandoms would understand it takes a team to win football games and be successful in the NFL. Doesn't matter how talented your QB is on an individual level unless you've got a Mahomes type but even then he needs help too.

46 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

My guy I was joking with you.

 

No need to make this personal. If I offended you I apologize. 

I butted in on a conversation I wasn't ever apart of I just saw your comment and it rubbed me the wrong way. I had a feeling it might have been a troll but I took the bait anyways. 0-6 teams don't usually get bandwagon fans to begin with lol

6 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

How did we go from 7 wins last year to winless this?

Did we really lose that many great players? Was DJ Moore a generational WR?

No team is ever the same from season to season. This is especially true when you have the amount of turnover that we had from coaching, players, scheme, all of it. Every team starts from scratch when in the offseason. Is that an excuse for us being 0-6? Of course not because there is no blueprint to success in this league, every team has to find their own way. That's why you have teams that over achieve and under achieve every year its not always a black and white straight forward trajectory for every team. Just have to hope this staff can start to gel and string some wins together before the end of the season

19 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Then you're not a Panthers fan.

 

You're a out of state bandwagon fan.

Better than being a fair weather fan like you guy. I've lived in NW Indiana my entire life and chose the Panthers as my favorite team when I was 13. Joined this board when I was 20 and I've been around ever since. I wasn't born into my fandom like you and the rest of the fans that have nothing better to do than to just "cheer for the hometown team" I actually found and wanted a reason for the Panthers to be my team not just because every other drunk idiot I was around was doing it.

Unlike you I didn't have any friends who shared my interest in the Panthers. I grew up around Bears, Colts, and Cowboys fans. I defended my team and spent the money and wore their jerseys proudly even when they weren't good and all my irl friends would try and poo on them. Especially after the Clausen debacle. My grandmother passed away from cancer on the same day we drafted Cam Newton #1 overall. I will never forget that day. If all of that makes me a "bandwagon" fan because I don't live in the Carolina's then so be it, but I'd wager me being an out of state fan has made me a better and more knowledgeable Panthers fan than 99% of the people in the Carolina's.

8 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Bryce would have the texans with zero wins right now if the players were switched. Seriously, if you are blaming the playcalling here what the hell do you think bryce is gonna do with a first year OC who use to coach defense? Mostly likely not a damn thing. The logic simply doesn't add up if you think playcalling is holding him back here. Stroud would atleast be around the same or slightly worse under a staff with superbowl experience. This is how you also know people dont do their research before speaking. 

You talk about logic and research yet you want to live on a hypothetical that we'd have more wins with CJ at this point than we do with Bryce. Bryce doesn't play defense, he doesn't run routes, he doesn't block, and he doesn't call the plays. Along with the occasional rookie mistake that is the reason we are 0-6.

I'll also throw out a hypothetical that CJ Stroud would not have 1600 passing yards with 9 TDs to 1 INT on this team, in this offense through 6 games. You can continue to live in your dream world fantasizing about Stroud in a Panthers uniform but it wouldn't make a difference. He'd have decent stats on a winless team just like Bryce does.

4 minutes ago, Varking said:

He's just joking. PJ is like 13 of 27 for 150 yards and a pick.

Which is still good enough to win for some teams

38 minutes ago, jb2288 said:

He’s a smart vet. Dude knows when to sit in a soft zone or take a choice route and keep running. Mingo I don’t expect to be there yet but let’s hope he develops. TMJ is terrible and Chark I think is grossly misused 

Chark runs very poor routes and has very poor releases. His route tree is literally two routes Go and Deep Cross.

We are not one player away on offense or defense. Best WR in the league doesn't fix our OG situation

3 hours ago, BrianS said:

Talking about "potential" in a guy who is 29 this season is a little silly.  All wishes for a full recovery to the guy, but he's a JAG.

FWIW, Mario Addison was in a similar spot with us and finally became a full time starter in his age 30 season. Up to that point he was a pass rush specialist in a similar role as Haynes has been so far. Not saying we can rely on him becoming a good player at age 29+ like Addison but it is definitely possible he just needs to get on the field.

Trevor Lawrence cant throw deep

15 hours ago, frankw said:

At this point one would have to remove all logic to deem Young a phsyical specimen with an arm capable of putting the ball wherever he wants. It's been well known he has had a little hop motion to make certain throws going back to Alabama. Or he has to put everything he has into it upon given about 5-6 seconds in the pocket to wind up a bomb to a wide open receiver (like the Alabama highlight play that's been floating around here).

If we were drafting a project QB in the late 2nd that's one thing. But we were repeatedly assured Young didn't need elite weapons to produce. Now he does. If we're going to chalk that up to things change and sometimes you get it wrong okay but that's not what we should have been looking for in a trade up to first overall for such substantial investment.

Who said anything about elite? How about we start with an average supporting cast first? Because that is not what he currently has. His supporting cast is easily one of the worst in the NFL and a defense that's given up the 2nd most points through the first 6 games. 

On 10/15/2023 at 9:47 PM, 45catfan said:

Count the white jerseys at 5 seconds.  That's right, nobody deep. Why? The word is out and why you can count all 7 non-DL in that frame.  I think it's single high and he's not deep at all.

I see 5 white jerseys in coverage, 2 20 yards down field, a spy, and 3 dlineman rushing. Not sure where you're getting 7 non dlineman from

3 hours ago, WhoKnows said:

Dude, we are the worst team in the league. I don’t get your attempt to put lipstick on a pig. We are one of 5 teams with multiple D TDs. The other 27 have 1 or none. Even with that, it still doesn’t matter. We are in a boat with NE, NYG and Denver, but they’ve at least won a game. The Giants have had a brutal schedule (Dallas, Miami, Buffalo and SF). Patriots at least kept the Philly and Miami games close. Denver had one horrific game but has kept every other game close. We’ve had two close games, one because we had a 99 yard interception TD and the other because of a score with 1 minute left against prevent.

I don't really care about any of that. All I was saying was if you are trying to get an accurate look at how our offense compares to other offenses in the NFL when it comes to scoring points you have to judge them by similar criteria. Cherry picking stats to fit a narrative no matter if its right or wrong will never make sense to me. No doubt we are the worst team in the NFL currently when it comes to our dearth of talent and our record I don't think anyone is going to dispute that.

49 minutes ago, Varking said:

You’re still going to have too many opinion answers. 90% of this board thinks Pitts sucks for instance. I get the thought process activity you are pitching but by the time you add offensive lineman you are really muddying the waters. And again, is untapped talent accounted for? 
 

if you just want to say our skill position players aren’t top tier I’d agree with that without question. Do I think AT is better than anything the Patriots throw to? Absolutely. But you are also throwing in Bryce is “doing more” and I am trying to follow you. I know you aren’t trolling. But I think he’s doing what an NFL QB is asked to do for the most part. I don’t believe he’s being asked to carry the offense to crazy heights. We are averaging 16 points a game via offense on average. 
 

We’ve scored 98 offense and special teams points. 27 of those was with Dalton which is our season high. 98-27=71. 71/5 is 14.2 points per game from Bryce Young led Panthers offense. 
 

He was , at least we were told, he’s being asked to do less now, and we scored 14 offensive points. All in the first quarter when we were executing a script. And then we were shut out for the next three. 
 

I just don’t believe Bryce is being asked to do anything more special than what other QBs are being asked. And if he is, he’s not currently capable of it. 
 

I like Bryce. I see the flashes of what he can be. But I also see the frustrations folks have over his game currently where he can’t hit deep balls. And every week I say this will be the week he’s finally going to give us that wow game that we salivate over from here to the offseason saying if he can just harness that more consistently we have something special. And then each week when the game is over I’m like well here’s a few plays that stood out and the rest was just middling. 
 

His 63% completions would be more impressive if we were trying deep things. But when it’s 63% of passes that are 90% shorter than 12 yards in the air it doesn’t hit the same. 

All I was basically getting at when I said he was being asked to do more with less is that he is being asked to do what a normal QB does minus having what other QBs have to throw to/work with on offense and what they have blocking in front of them. I wasn't really talking about anything from a scheme stand point like when they said they are going to be taking more responsibility off of his plate. However I do understand where you're coming from in regards to evaluating talent in the NFL. Pitts was at least a 1st round talent, London a 1st round talent, Bijan a 1st round talent etc. AT has had exactly 1 100 yard game in his last 2 seasons with the Vikings and he only had 3 the season prior to that. He's had 4 100 yard games in the last 3 seasons with the Vikings in all, and he's already matched that in his 1st season here. There could be a few reasons for that but again, there isn't many teams that have a 33 year old slot WR as their only threat to catch passes, just the Panthers. Mac Jones would be another example and I would also chalk a lot of his struggles up to the talent or lack thereof Belicheck has put around him on offense. Cam went through the same thing when he was with the Patriots in 2020. Damiere Byrd, N'keal Harry, and a young Jakobi Meyers were his starting WRs. Just awful.

3 minutes ago, frankw said:

I think defensive coordinators respect Chark the problem is he's our sole speedster. But even if we had another our QB still would have to get him the ball.

All they had to do is stop the run. Bryce had some solid completions but we can't stretch the field. There are some throws he's just not making that he's going to have to figure out in the coming weeks.

Agreed I would love to see a streak to the outside WR completed a few times this season. It seems as though something is always off every time we attempt one. We allow inside pressure and Bryce throws as he's getting hit, WR stopping on their route, and of course just a bad throw where the timing is off. I think it'll happen Bryce is getting better with each passing day. It sucks to be 0-6 but there are QBs playing worse than he is who are winning games. Just have to remain patient its all we can do right now

2 minutes ago, frankw said:

The struggling oline is the biggest factor right now. I think the talk of our weapons being terrible has reached a point where people are just repeating it without actually considering. Thielen is plenty capable even at his age Hurst is a solid TE and Tremble has potential. Chark I feel like is being crapped on because Bryce can't find him deep but he's had a fair level of success with two different teams previously. Mingo isn't ready and TMJ is just Dwayne Jarrett 2.0 at this point. But Chubba is looking pretty damn good and had a very solid first half. There's no excuse for our offense to have been shut out for 3 quarters though and part of that is the defense adjusting knowing we were absolutely no threat downfield. I don't think people are taking into account just how much of an impact this has as the game goes on.

What other team is relying on a 33 year old slot WR as their primary weapon? Agree with the other parts of this though, potential is there but potential is just that...when it comes to actual success in this league the Panthers have the worst collection of talent, period.

Those defenses watch film and come in with a plan. I don't think they change that plan after 2 quarters saying "hey these guys cant throw down field" they would already know that going into the game lol

2 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

We are one of 5 teams with more than one Defensive TDs. 15 teams have none.

Our offensive production is terrible. 2 TDs by the D and tons of garbage time scores.

That would still certainly make a difference at where we're at when it comes to ranking points scored for NFL teams. You can't take points away from the total and not do it for other teams. Are you going to go through and remove all the garbage time points other teams have scored as well? That doesn't make any sense lol

1 minute ago, Varking said:

Again, this is still just a subjective totally 100% opinion based assessment with two questions ,  not one. 
 

We can debate talent from a position by position conversation but that’s still going to be ultra subjective. Like Ikky hasn’t played well. But he did last year and he has tremendous talent. He’s more talented than a lot of LTs. 
 

What is he asked to do with that talent? Not 100% sure what his assignments are on each snap. We can guess. 
 

Back to talent: Justin Jefferson and JaMarr Chase have both said TMJ is more talented than them. I haven’t seen that. So how do we grade talent? Based on draft position? Based on stats? Not every guy is in position for stats the way lesser talented players are, etc. 

Almost our entire line last year was better across the board. Chuba has more talent than Foreman and Sanders has crazy talent. He’s had mega rush yards and been a hell of a receiver in years past. But he’s not been that here. How do you grade his talent level? 
 

These are just quick examples. Nobody here is going to invest 12 hours a day looking at film of every team to gauge talent levels and figure out what each of those units are being asked to do. This is why you can ask a question like this and not get a great reply. Every bit of it is totally subjective. 

It's not really that difficult of a question as you make it out to be and can be done very quickly by looking at what each QB has around them. 

NFC South for example

Saints have Michael Thomas, Chris Olave, Alvin Kamara, Jamaal Williams <- More talented core than the Panthers

Buccs have Chris Godwin, Mike Evans <- both WRs are more talented than any WRs we have

Falcons have Bijan, Allgerie, Pitts, and London <- more talented than our core of players

You can legit go through every single team just like that and easily see the talent difference between them and the Panthers. You can't deny that the team did a piss poor job at surrounding our #1 pick with quality talent in his 1st NFL season. Add in the fact our defense has given up the 2nd most points in the NFL and its not hard to see why this team is 0-6 and our rookie QB is struggling.

4 minutes ago, Varking said:

Take away the 14 points our team has scored on defense and we would be … 98 which means of all the teams to play 6 games we would have just New England and NYG below us. 

If you were to do that then you'd need to go and remove the defensive points scored by every other team so that it would be realistic, not just the Panthers.