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Could be facing Jags in London as well 2019 season (Ron's last) vs Bucs - went to the game, it was great

I'd prefer Steichen to Kafka if we're going with a young coach. Has been a coordinator for 2 different franchises working with two different and successful QBs in Herbert and Hurts. Better diversity of coaching experience as well IMO.

To be fair Rivera was fired 4 weeks prior to the end of the regular season so I’m sure there were back channel conversations going on there

Payton interviewed with Broncos Tuesday morning in LA (i.e. afternoon East Coast time), not Monday morning

Lol no thx

Steichen has quite a pool of candidates he could draw from for his OC: Coached with Anthony Lynn (HC) and Pep Hamilton (QB coach) in San Diego - both have been OCs before. Hamilton I'm assuming is out in Houston with the regime change and Lynn is currently AHC/RBs under Shanahan in SF. Could try to bring Brian Johnson (QB coach) or Kevin Patullo (passing game coordinator) Could look into bringing Scott Turner on as OC

Not sure I agree - they fired a coach less than a full year in and your coaching future is tied to a QB that materially regressed. New ownership is going to want results on their shiny new investment. You probably get, what, 2 years, MAYBE 3 years to show progress? What if Russ is just cooked?

By your definition, which opening this year doesn't have a red flag front office? Maybe Denver and they're either going to hire Payton or Quinn - they tried young OC and didn't like the results. Leftwich passed on the Jags job because of what he felt like was a red flag front office and now he is (or about to be) fired.

I would agree if these young coordinators were specifically pulling out of the Panthers search but staying in contention for other open jobs, but that's not the case. Ben Johnson - also interviewed with Colts and Texans; decided to stay put Mike Kafka - didn't pull out, just delaying HC interviews until Giants are out of playoffs Shane Steichen - interviewed last Saturday; still a candidate and can't be interviewed again until Jan 30th if Eagles advance Ken Dorsey - interviewing this Saturday Kellen Moore - interview requested, haven't seen any mention of him pulling out of the search DeMeco Ryans sounds like this was a logistics issue, but maybe he did decide to pull out; in any case, I think if the Panthers go with a defensive hire, it's going to be Wilks anyway.

Interesting that Dorsey will interview a day before his team plays the Bengals; not sure I'd be happy about that if I were a Bills fan... Tepper's going to be in NY on Friday anyway for the Payton interview, easy enough to take the 1 hour flight from there to Buffalo to interview Dorsey. Might as well kill two birds with one stone.

I think we’re gonna end up with Wilks

Brian Flores got DC interviews and is interviewing in Arizona for the HC job. As for retaining Wilks, no thanks.

GB didn't make playoffs. And the other 4 teams were one and done even though they had much better offenses than Carolina did.

I'll take Sean Payton, Tom Brady, and Von Miller if it means they can get us a ring.

I'm left with tangible proof of success in my scenario. Lombardis are forever. Who remembers that 2015 Panthers season besides Carolina fans? 15-1 and a SB appearance and yet it was all for naught.

I guess for me I liken that to empty calories/junk food. Yeah I got the sugar high, but ultimately what am I left with?

A decade of playoffs and close calls with no ring will get that coach fired anyway. It got Andy Reid fired in Philly, it got Dan Reeves fired in Denver, it got Mike Holmgren fired in Seattle. John Fox went 46-18 in Denver and was fired after 3 straight 12+ win seasons.

No guarantee of that no matter who we hire. Given we were just talking Broncos, how do you think their fans felt coming into this season after firing Fangio and with Nathanial Hackett paired with Russell Wilson? Look how that turned out. Feelings don't mean poo, results do. And this is coming from a guy that was all in on Ben Johnson. I hope Steichen or Kafka can replicate what guys like McVay, Taylor, etc have done, but I've come around to Payton not being a bad alternative.

I already said I would trade places with the Broncos if I could. If the 2015 team wins that SB and everything else plays out like it has since then, I'm a thousand times happier than I am right now. I went to that SB in 2015 and it was one of the worst experiences in my life, but man if the shoe were on the other foot, would probably be one of the greatest memories I'd ever have.

Apples and oranges. I said a SB ring and mediocrity over no SB and contention. Tomlin won a SB. Best case scenario we get a guy like Tomlin or Andy Reid, but if I had to choose between a Gruden (SB win, some playoffs, mostly mediocre) or a (RIP) Marty Schottenheimer (.613 win %, 13 years in the playoffs and only 2 losing seasons in 21 years, but never even made it to the SB let alone win it), I'm taking Gruden 100 times out of 100.

Honestly, what does contending for years without any SB rings to show for it get you? Isn't the point of this sport to reach the pinnacle? I would take 10 years of mediocrity for 1 SB win rather than 10 straight years of playoffs and no SB wins. It's the hope that kills you.

This is where I disagree. It's so hard to win even 1 SB and after being so close in 2003 and 2015 and coming away empty, I'll take one even if it means bad teams for years on end. I'm sure Denver wouldn't trade SB50 for 10+ win seasons and playoff flameouts instead. Beggars can't be choosers.

Not really - question was how would you rank the fits and would Chargers be better for him than other jobs? Both answered saying of course he'd want the Chargers job over any other due to QB and location, then gave their personal opinion on best fits of the open gigs. Graziano thinks Denver is most likely because they can offer more money than anyone else, Fowler said he'd go with Texans because of picks, cap space, and Houston being desperate enough to give him the control he wants.