Jon Snow

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

I think that we can move a little money around and frontload a 2 year deal...not ideal, but we can do it.

DJ, Shaq, Moton, etc...there is some movement that can be had.  

Frank may want a fast start, he may LOVE Carr, either way, with Carr here, we win the division....maybe Tepper wants butts in the seats again that aren't the wrong color?

I want to snag a QB in the 1st, but I wouldn't hate bringing in a legit vet to take advantage of our crap division right now in addition.  Time to strike while the iron is hot IMO.

It comes down to opportunities.  I'm sure they will feel out the teams above us to see if there is a chance to move up without crippling the team. But if you can't get a trade partner they will just have to hope someone starts to fall. Otherwise, if they can't move up they may move out for more picks next year and take a shot at one in the second this year.  It's not the best position to be in if they must have a top 3 qb. 

3 minutes ago, NAS said:

I hope you're wrong.  I'd rather roll with Darnold as a bridge QB then give a multiyear deal to Carr which will likely include a lot of guaranteed $$$.  

I hope I'm wrong as well. But given the circumstances they will need someone with experience to start the season.  The other option is to start Corral and try to get the new rookie ready as soon as possible.  Neither option is appealing. 

I'm not in favor of Carr coming here for 30-40 mil per for 2 or 3 years. But like I've repeatedly said its not my call. I'm just trying to determine what the team is thinking. Given that Reich tried to bring him to Indy I would not discount the possibility. 

1 minute ago, Bear Hands said:

Well yeah, semantics wise, we can say "taking a shot" is basically using a draft pick.  

It's commonly being used in the context of taking the risk, grabbing your balls and nose, and jumping two feet in for a crazy trade.  

That's not what I'm gathering from this board. What I'm hearing is that if the team doesn't trade everything for Young or Stroud they aren't "taking a shot" at a young qb and are therefore doomed to mediocrity. 

Just now, ForJimmy said:

Yeah if we are trading for the top pick, it helps to do it early. That way you can build your team accordingly.

The Panthers are signing a qb in FA. You might as well prepare yourself for that. The only thing left to figure out is whether they are bluffing about going all in for one of these rookie prospects. 

7 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

I don't understand what you're getting at.  

If it's #1, it's going for the top guy on the board, regardless of fan A, fan B, it's the team's top option.  

I'm saying that if the Panthers do not trade the farm to get the #1 pick or trade up for any of the top 4 picks but rather take someone else at 9 for qb or a qb later in the draft would it still be considered "taking a shot" on an unknown rookie?

2 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

At #1, you have your choice of whoever, so no matter the opinion, you're getting the top designated option.  

A trade up to #3 or 5 brings in scenarios, specific players, etc.  Within that option lies the hope that someone's top option is available.

You don't try to trade until draft day. And again, is it only classified as "taking a shot" if it's for your preferred qb and not someone else?

2 minutes ago, Byrdman4real said:

Stay put at 9 and draft Anthony Richardson if the other top QBs are gone or trade 9 for more picks.

Draft Hooker in the late 2nd or early 3rd round. 

Do a lot of homework on Stetson Bennett and Max Duggan.

I think Dugan and Bennett go higher than most think.

Just now, CRA said:

I mean, yeah, ideally, I agree on the OSU part.   But for a realistic example that just happened to play out to use.   

I generally don't like OSU or Bama because the overly talented rosters skew way too much.  2 best rosters year in and year out. 

You can add USC to that list as well. 

1 minute ago, CRA said:

Manning, Luck, Trevor.  

Outside of them, only hindsight IMO would make you feel could about giving up the farm for anyone though. 

I also frankly don't give a poo about being 9-8 and making the playoffs and being done.   Either you find a special QB or you don't matter.  That's where I am at.   That's what I think has to be your priority.   It's why we should of drafted Fields when he fell and frankly keep drafting QBs high when they fall until one develops.   Let's say you had Fields and then Stroud fell.  Cool.  That wouldn't be bad.  Keep adding you talent at QB until you got someone special.  That should be the approach IMO instead of Teddy, Sam, Baker, Carr. 

I agree with you in most respects but I would not fixate on OSU qb's.  But that's just me.

Just now, CRA said:

I too have agreed the price for the top spots might simply be too high.  Largely because of so many QB needy teams ahead of us too.   It's not a good spot for us. 

It certainly will be too high of a price for the masses here.  It would cost more than Lance most likely for us.  Folks ahead of us will ensure that IMO. 

Of course they will.  We would get raped. There's not a qb is this draft worth getting raped over.

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

I know we have virtually no talent in our QB room.  Only chance to really win in the NFL is to get talent there. 

So again, in the end, it doesn't matter what their order is.  We have to start prioritizing adding talent.  Stroud is just my guy in this lot. 

and if this front office is going to holdoff for some dream scenario before they add legitimately high talented QB prospects? I won't be a fan of them.  Because if my ideal QB is a Trevor Lawarence? Which it frankly is? I'd wait forever most likely and then be gone. 

and if Stroud was there at 9 and we passed on him? Like you suggest he might be. Because we had some recycled vet another team threw away? Well, then my position on the Frank Reich era will be very negative. 

I never suggested they would pass on him at 9. I suggested that they may not be willing to trade up for him. I seriously doubt they pass on any of the so called top 3 at 9.

Just now, TheCasillas said:

He was the OC for the Colts during the Saturday era.

Now he's the passing game coordinator.  He's not calling plays anymore obviously. 

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

my preferred guy is Stroud.  But I can accept Young.   I want them to take a shot on a young super talent.  Even it isn't their #1 guy.  Which you almost never can get.   Which is why you can't always hold off on that dream materializing. 

If your ideal QB is the next Trevor Lawerence? Your coaching career opportunity isn't going to be long enough likely to ever realistically get a chance to go all in on that type prospect. 

How do you know that the staff feel the same way about Stroud as you do?  From every ranking I've taken the time to look at has the qbs ranked like this. 

1. Young

13 thru 15 Stroud, Levis, AR.

Or.

3. Young

13-14. Stroud, Levis

25-28. AR 

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

 

So he's getting a promotion.  Who was his understudy?

What I gather is that the shot everyone is speaking of is a shot on their preferred qb. If it's not their preferred guy then it's not considered taking a shot?

I have no say in the matter so I will have to roll with whoever they bring in. Whether it's thru the draft, FA or both. How do you like me now?

29 minutes ago, Tarheel119 said:

If Caldwell was offended, he wouldn’t have accepted the job, period. Perhaps Reich had a good plan for how to get this team moving in the right direction. Judging by his first few hires, I’d agree. This guy is trying find a story where there isn’t one. 

He got clicks that's all he's after. If you stop reading his garbage it will not matter what he says.

7 minutes ago, frankw said:

Well we can't be afraid of developing a young QB. Matt Rhule was. But we've got decades of wisdom on staff now. Chasing discarded veteran QB's should be the last resort for such a seasoned staff we've built.

One does not preclude the other. 

Just now, NanuqoftheNorth said:

It would be awesome if the Panthers could do both.  I'm somewhat concerned that the Panthers may make some significant personnel changes on defense (considering the preferred schemes of our new DC).  If that's the case, it may limit what the team can do on offense in this year's draft.

Not necessarily.  Say for instance they do something crazy like go defense again at 9. What's to prevent them from moving back into the bottom of the 1st for a qb? Hell they could even trade back into the 15 to 20 range if they just have to have a qb. There's more than one way to skin this cat.

2 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

In a perfect world the Panthers would draft their next franchise QB and still have enough picks to surround him with talent.  That's not the world we live in.

At #9 the Panthers may have to give up a boatload of pics over several years to draft one of the better rookie QBs and hamstring themselves when it comes to surrounding that rookie with supporting talent.

Or, the Panthers can bring in a vet QB and use their picks to surround him with talent.

It's above my pay grade, but that's why Reich and Fitterer get paid the big bucks.

Well there's a small chance they manage to do both. There are some good qb prospects in this draft but they are just not hyped up like the 3 you only here about.  So I would not assume they cannot do both.

4 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Carr is a lot better and more established than any QB we've had since Cam and easily would be among the top 3 the franchise has had.

Now let's not go that far. He's BEEN better than anyone here since Cam, yes. But if he's signed here let's see what he does HERE before we crown his ass mmkay.

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm curious who people's first choice was

Honestly, I didn't have one at first.  As it went on I thought Reich was probably the best of the bunch from an experience perspective. But I didn't sit in on the interviews with the other's so I was open there for awhile.  I'm comfortable with how it played out so far.

2 minutes ago, L-TownCat said:

It would be gross negligence if they didn’t at least flirt a little.

I had forgotten about Reich's interest in him when he was with the Colts. I doubt that's changed much since then. It is certainly something to watch.

2 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Who might this be?  Would the Panthers be interested?

Not if Payton is involved in it. I would not trust that sombitch at all.