Jon Snow

Anyone know what round the guys we have met with are projecting to be taken?

19 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Certainly. I believe Morgan even mentioned trying to get something worked out.

I don't anticipate it to be anything significant in terms of length or amount. There really isn't any precedent for that that I am aware of. IIRC, that Shaheed deal was considered quite large for an ERFA. 

I would not be afraid to gamble on Coker and set a precedent in this situation. Nothing crazy, but something that would make him think twice before he made his final decision. 

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

NFL WR's have a very narrow window to get big contracts, accepting a very small, long term contract as a projected starter(remember this is a projection at this point) shortens your payment window tremendously. 

The best idea if he indeed is going to be a FT starter next season, is just to simply sign the 1 year tender at league rate. That means he can get to far bigger paychecks far sooner.

It will be interesting to see how it goes down.

He may choose that route. But it would not prevent me from trying to work out a long-term contract. 

Just now, electro's horse said:

Or he holds out. Happens literally all the time.

If nothing else, pride shouldn’t allow him to play for a team paying him less than Xavier legette.  

That's why I say offer him a new contract at the rate I suggested.  If he were to out perform it then we can discuss redoing it or trade him. 

2 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

So he holds out in 2027 instead?

I wouldn’t take that. Panthers are facing a murderers row next season and were already primed to regress anyway.

and again, gotta strike while you have leverage. He has it right now and the panthers don’t. 

He doesn't have it until 2027. He has to take what the Panthers offer for 2026. After that he has leverage. 

Just now, kungfoodude said:

It's very likely that he and his agent would immediately reject that offer. They would be more likely to reject that offer than they would the exact same deal Shaheed signed.

They may indeed. But he's taking a huge gamble on staying healthy and being able to repeat his production for 2 additional seasons inorder to get a shot at a much bigger paycheck. 

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Will likely get a deal similar to Shaheed in NO. Shaheed was a Pro Bowler and more productive overall than Coker has been at the same point in their careers. His deal was 2 years, $6.185 mil in 2024. 

I wouldn't be surprised to see Coker somewhere around that if not a little more. I would be surprised to see a long term or large deal with this contract. I suspect it will be a short term contract at a low price and his next deal will be the big one(provided he keeps improving). 

Historically, UDFA's take a lot longer to get their big contracts and generally make significantly less career money for some obvious reasons.

I would give him a 3 yr $15M with 12 guaranteed.

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Day 3 practice on NFL Network now.

I'm tuning in just to watch the defensive players. We need someone at every level of the defense. 

He's not going to make it in the nfl. He doesn't have the drive or desire to be anything other than what he is. A waste of a roster spot. 

The first two picks should be DT and OT. According to Daniel Jeremiahs top 50 this class is heavy on wr and O line, namely OT. I'm not sure if that helps us with edge rusher in round 1 as he turns around and has only 2 wrs taken in the top 20 with us taking 1 of them when he has 5 ranked in the top 20. He's all over the place with his mock draft so it's hard to take any rankings seriously at the moment. 

I would take Lee Hunter over a wr.

Desperate teams do stupid moves like this. But it's not my money so have at it.

39 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

The same ppl who say he needs more help are the same ppl who bitch about the defense. You keep getting him more help, the defense will not get any better. 

I bitch about the defense and offense. They both need work. 

I'm indifferent to it. I would rather they draft a guard over paying him a bunch of money to get his ass handed to him by better defenses.

18 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

thats worst case scenario if they get him, I wish we were more proactive 

That would only ensure the exit of Dave and his merry men at the end of next season. The Bucs will battle NO for the division next season while Dave struggles to get 6 wins.

42 minutes ago, fanpanther said:

serious question for the bryce fans.   what would it take for yall to be ready to call byoung a bust and move on.  his y/g qvr passer rating and the eye test all put him in bust territory so does he need to be 32nd in thr league next year to be ready ti move on bc the mid twentys all the byoung fans claim he is improving.  and to add to this how bad does he need to be for panthers to admit it and move on...

Your last sentence is the only one that matters. Until the team is ready to give up and move on you will have to watch him out there struggling to make 200 yrds/gm.

1 minute ago, strato said:

Jackson sure did have a nice year. What a deal we made bringing that guy in. 
Their communication seems to have taken a little while to gel. when you have new guys, that is probably a price you pay until it isn’t. 
Doesn’t seem like we had as many out and out coverage snafus this year as in 2024. Maybe I have forgotten some from earlier in the year… 

How can you forget Nick Scott's blown coverages and missed tackles? He negated any positive that Jackson may have contributed. 

4 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

This do it for you?

Don't be surprised if it doesn't go down pretty close to that except the RB in the first. I would have to see the group behind him.

1 hour ago, strato said:

Can’t argue much with it. Good linebackers would make a huge difference. Jewel wasn’t great but losing him really hurt. We were basically practice squad level a good deal of the time there. 
Wallace needs to get on the stick, I had hopes for him when they took him but those have been downgraded. I don’t think he will ever be much. 

edit/PS we did improve, substantially. Despite the remaining issues. A lot of the problem early was likely an issue of integrating new guys and getting them on the same page. We seemed to have fewer blown coverage assignments n the back end as the year progressed. 

I think the improvement came with Jackson's contribution. He had a really good season and it made the whole group look better. Horn was relatively quiet all season. 

1 minute ago, strato said:

I said this in another thread just now but a lot is on the players. Tackling is horrible. They have allowed it. That is on players and the position coaches and Evero. 
Just adding some talent and tightening that shoddy tackling up should improve things.
 

Plus the guys we drafted this year got a lot of snaps. They’ll have their first offseason as pros and in an NFL strength and conditioning program, I expect every one of them to be better next year. 

The theme for the offseason last year, by the teams own mouths, was to improve their tackling and bring in player's that could stop the run. What happened? I sure haven't noticed much improvement. Only DB knows how to tackle and if f not for him it would be on par with last years defense. 

Now try doing it taking bpa instead of need.

10 hours ago, electro's horse said:

i think evero is doing way more with less than his counterpart on the other side of the ball

like the panthers don't have anyone that can rush the passer at all. sending Rozeboom on a blitz is like banishing him to the Negative Zone

I'm skeptical of it being a talent problem and more of a scheme issue. But we will see next season when more players are added. 

But with that being said, he has managed to out coach Canales as a whole this season. 

I was hoping you guys would win that game. It's a shame they way it went against you.

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

The positive side is that we likely have between 10-15 years more of Tepper at max. This will eventually end. Who knows what that chapter will entail?

His wife will take over, if she hasn't already.