Jon Snow

When are you guys going to learn the the Panthers draft board is nothing like any draft board you are using. They are drafting the best player left on their board. Every team does the same thing. Thats why the so called draft gurus like DJ and Mel never get anything right. 

20 minutes ago, rebelrouser said:

I am worried about the Vikings picking in front of us.  They could take the best DL or the Oregon safety at 18.  Those appear to be needs for them too. 

I'm right there with you. I'm also afraid of the Panthers not taking either even if the Vikings were to pass on both. 

1 hour ago, Basbear said:

I can not draft a CB to save myself and Im still having big trouble in the 3rd round. Heres my "DAM IT I MISSED CB, but overall hauled in a bunch of good players" draft.

 

Plus Dan has made it hard- Safety has 4 guys and the normal carry in-season.

DL has 6, again normal carry

WR has 6-7-8 too many

Even ILB has Lloyd, wallance, Bam, and Ched that's enough for in-season. 

I feel OL and CB/NB/DB/weapon needs more from my drafts, I just follow the board tho.

Brother I hate to tell you but that's a terrible draft. You hit at 51 but the rest is...not good.

2 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I hear you and I have said the same thing at times, but blanket statements are accurate part of the time at best.  I have also coached kids who had the "tools" but they were slow and unproductive on the field--and a few adjustments to the scheme or teaching techniques, and the light comes on.  We call them "late bloomers."  Based on my limited experience, it should be called "coaching."  As a former coach, if you gave me kids with the tools and I could not get them to perform at the level of their ability, then I have failed.  The coaches know this, so their timetables to win may be shorter than the time they have to develop a player--I think a lot of talent goes down the disposal, which is why the success rate for drafted players is so low.

In my view, based on my career as a professor and researcher, my job is to produce successful people for the workplace.   I use data to identify central problems and I use my relationships with my students to strengthen weaknesses.  I have a limited amount of time to do this before a decision is made about their development.  In this case, I would look at the variables (data and the situational influences unique to this individual that may have stunted growth) and not the ineffective player as the center of the problem.  The team has already interviewed him, talked to his college coaches, measured him, etc. So I would minimize the assumption that the kid is the problem and look at his system of support and teaching strategies.  Nobody wants to admit THEY might be the problem.  To blame a first-rounder for failing, you have to admit either you did not properly identify the prospect's potential (which is your job) or you were unable to prepare that prospect (with all the tools that got him the job) to succeed (also your job).  So are we going to blame the 24-year-old kid with all the tools to succeed for sucking or are we going to take responsibility for his success as his mentors and teachers?

 

Sounds like a lot of excuse making for people over 18. Yes I'm blaming the 24 year old. Either you are or you aren't able to play this game. Stop looking for athletes and get ball players. If they cannot play the game when they get here we do not need you. This is not grade school. 

2 hours ago, MichaelNewtonII said:

I was literally just on eBay trying to find one unfortunately all are youth sizes listed right now 

Double post.

2 hours ago, MichaelNewtonII said:

I was literally just on eBay trying to find one unfortunately all are youth sizes listed right now 

But are they cheap and high quality?

I'll see myself out.

Tools. If I hear that term used one more time I'm going to lose my damn mind.  "Tools" are meaningless if they cannot use them already. Stop looking for "tools" and find productive football players. Stop looking for combine freaks and look for guys that have produced at a high level already. Tools my ass.

He's depth only at this point. 

5 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

Any safeties worth our first round pick?

Yes. There is one that may be there at 19.

He's not the best TE in this draft. 

In order to trade down you will have to give more points than you receive if you are the one instigating the trade.

I think 2003 might be one of the best FA classes we've had as far as results go. The 1995 class was the largest group of course. 

5 minutes ago, strato said:

I don’t think they will take a tackle in the 1st this year.
 

That might be a next year option when they have concrete results on Icky and see how Moton does in 2026. Same for Walker I guess. They won’t have any of that next month.  
 

 

I'm thinking they told Walker that he could play his way into contract as the Panthers starting LT of the future. They need a long term answer and if it's not Ickey then it's audition time. Might as well start with Walker. 

4 minutes ago, CarolinaLivin said:

The #Panthers LT Yosh Nijman has decided to retire from the NFL 

Well that answers the question of why he wasn't signed yet.

1 hour ago, jfra78 said:

It would be like Darth Vader joining the Rebel Alliance

He kinda did at the end. Just saying. The force is not with you young padawan.

2 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

interesting we haven't brought back LB Claudin Cherelus

Maybe he didn't want to come back? Heard he thought Tepper was a jerk.

The running back room isn't set yet. There's still a draft and training camp to get through. 

You guys do know that the team will be signing and even drafting more wr's before camp right? By the time camp rolls around there could be a dozen receivers on the team. This signing means nothing. 

4 minutes ago, scratched said:

Build in the TRENCHES!! LT, DL, and CENTER, first 3 picks and I don't care what order. 

They will have their choice between a LT, DT, S and Edge/OLB at 19. They will not take a WR or TE in round 1.

41 minutes ago, strato said:

Looks like he has feet of stone next to these pass rushers. 

I honestly have no idea why they signed this guy.

2 hours ago, h0llywood said:

If the Panthers are still going with the BPA philosophy and Kenyon Sadiq is still hanging around at 19, they have to select him. He's a top 10-15 prospect.

No he's not. He's just an athletic freak. His production is pedestrian. Production trumps muscles. 

5 minutes ago, strato said:

That’s lucky. Driving on it? I couldn’t walk on it.  I bet that stuff has buried a lot of people behind a wheel. 

I got behind the wheel before it kicked in. As the old saying goes, I thought I had more time. I didn't know it would kick in so fast and I wasn't warned about the sip verses drink effect. Rookie making rookie mistakes.

1 minute ago, strato said:

Weinke could at least throw the ball. I can see people calling for him in like, preseason 2003. Jake is a legend to me just for 2003 alone. Hell the first game was enough to not forget him. And after we got rolling I can’t imagine calling for Weinke or Peete or anyone. 

It happened. Hard to believe but it did. It will happen the first time Young throws a pick or misses a throw. Its inevitable. 

7 minutes ago, strato said:

Yeah after it happens to you, at least you get to watch others do the same thing. 
I had never had any and was not warned and it was so smooth. Luckily I ended up n the backseat of a random car not the dirt and was left alone to sleep it off. 
 

You're lucky if you don't wakeup covered in your own body fluids. My first time I woke up behind the wheel of my dad's car and was stuck on railroad tracks. I missed the crossing completely. It was a long time before I touched the stuff again. 

Just now, outlaw4 said:

So, "Start Pickett" thread when?

And before anyone says anything, this is the same place that had threads wanting to start Chris Weinke over Jake Delhomme.

Week 1 would be a safe bet. Start Weinke was a weekly thread.