Jon Snow

Incomplete but its looking like our typical shitty draft.

I'm calling it now. Moving players around on the OL will be a disaster.  Switching/flipping players around to different spots never work out. 

1 minute ago, onmyown said:

True but at least Bosa has the ability to take over games in prime time. I don’t think Burns has ever done that…maybe once in garbage time? Maybe for a quarter? Idk

Never 

8 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Yea I dont even think the tag is fair, too much. Still the panthers are in a awful spot- pay far too much or lose one of 4-5 talented players. I dont get burns and all his PR stuff about " i dont like moving, i dont like change, love the panthers, etc  etc"(must be BS) Then he wants QB money for RB value. 

His team/agent must have been told by other teams they are willing to drop 30 per. 

Burns is only 25 years old with five years of NFL exp. That is rare for any spot especially DE/edge guys. I mean DJ johnson was a 2023 draftee and he was 25 then. 

Panthers are going to lose either way it feels like.....

Burns is not a player they should throw that kind of money at. Especially with the shape this roster is in. There's only one player on this team that has earned a spot here and the team has apparently forgotten he's even here.

The idea of signing any player from a team that has been as bad as the Panthers have been over past half decade is nonsensical to me. Why on earth would you think continuing that strategy is somehow going to pay off? 

I must be talking to crazy people. 

The Panthers will screw this up and get stuck with him. 27 mil per was way too much for what he brings.  That's ridiculous.  If Dan signs Burns he's part of the problem and not the solution. 

3 minutes ago, Waldo said:

As if starting over with another #1 will be any real difference, different crew same crap since 2019. Might as well start trying to win now and stop pretending that these people do much good until they actually start doing that. At least if they went in that direction the football would be somewhat watchable vs watching them try to tank when they probably can't even do that right either. 

We've been trying to win now our entire existence. How's that worked out? This team needs rebuilt from the ground up. Until they commit to that they will always be a bad team with bad leadership. They don't have to try to tank, they earn the label of the worst team in the nfl. One player will not change that. I suggest that if you cannot stomach crappy football you just do not watch the Panthers.  Embrace the suck because it's not changing anytime soon. 

Is he young and cheap? No? Better keep looking in the bargain bin.

Interesting fact noone cares about. I live near the guy who was the actor in Deliverance who uttered the famous line "you got a perty mouth".  He passed away recently however.  Was famous in these here parts and was as friendly a person as you could ever meet. I would see I'm in the grocery store now and then and he would be on one of those scooters that old people ride getting groceries.  He had a pet squirrel he kept with him that would ride on his shoulders as he shopped. The kids always wanted to touch the squirrel for some reason.  He would dress the part wherever he went and would sign his autograph for anyone who remembered him from the movie. Nice man who just got lucky when Hollywood rolled into town. 

8 minutes ago, Khaki Lackey said:

Marshall makes Marvin McNutt look like David Gettis.

1 minute ago, Stingray3030 said:

I hope you are right - but seems like a stretch considering he was beat off his left side on a speed rush about 50 times...not sure how a guard helps that.  Dude gotta move those feet!

A better offensive system can help. But he does have to step up dramatically as well. You have to start drafting these now and often.  The skill position players are pointless if you do not improve this OL. It like putting expensive wheels on a POS automobile.  

2 minutes ago, Leaky_Faucet said:

I think it's possible but to be fair, I think this offseason will be more about gathering a hoard of average "base" players to replace a ton of below average or awful ones.. maybe 1 or 2 splashy types. 

I sure hope you are right. I do not want here any current players are extend other the Derek Brown and Luvu. I will be sick to my stomach if the keep Burns because I know it will be wasted money. 

You cannot say the defense is on the field too much because of the crappy offense and claim the defense doesn't get enough opportunities to make plays.  

You want to force them to pass so you can tee off? Stop them from running on you. 

You cannot stop the run? Then stop whining and gtfo.

2 minutes ago, HardcoreHokie said:

Kyler Murray has been jacked his whole life.  He was also a power lifter growing up.

That makes a difference.  

3 minutes ago, Stingray3030 said:

If we don't fix the LT you may get your wish 

We need guards way worse at the moment.  Icky will look like a LT if the qb can step up in the pocket. 

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Look at russ combine picture, the dude was built just different, completely different then young.  Also murray was way thicker and bulkier coming as well

That goes back to Bama I'm sure. I've not know them to produce qbs the look the part that i can recal in recent memory. But I digress, yes he's small. Everyone should have known that when they drafted him. 

15 minutes ago, Waldo said:

If you are going to admit Bryce is what he looks like then find a better option. Wilson looks headed in the sub 3000 yards area permanently while Bryce didn't look like he could break through that. Hell go sign Baker first.

Hell no! I'd rather ride with Andy Dalton this year and start over in 2025 than to see that goober in a Panthers jersey for 1 minute. 

7 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Pretty sure the argument was size coming into the league.   Both coincidentally enough had background in baseball to couple with football.  Not sure how that effects their athleticism but it clearly does. 

Then I stand corrected.  My point was that you cannot fairly compare him to someone that has been in the league T&C program years longer than he has. Bama obviously didn't care if their qbs are in shape as evident by the qbs physical appearance coming out.

4 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Getting pressure is pretty important as well.  Incompletions and hopefully interceptions can come from that.  I pointed to his sacks last year and you said they didn't come at game saving times so I am showing they were next to zero opportunities for those type of plays do to the offense sucking.  

I'm not a die hard, but just saying you may see him take off on another team once he gets more opportunities.  I hear fans crying about CMC and DJ all the times now, trade Burns and you might get more of the same.

When you have to dig that hard to find a positive for keeping a player you've already lost. He benefits from whatever pressure Derek Brown can create up the middle.  Except Derek hardly ever comes off the field. Burns gets to rest his ass on the sidelines every other play. In the meantime Brown is out there making tackles because everyone else seems to be adverse to doing. 

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

please, they both came out uber talented with big arms and incredible scrambling ability.

Not arguing that. The comparison was where they are now. Apples and oranges. 

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

please, they both came out uber talented with big arms and incredible scrambling ability.

Not arguing that. The comparison was where they are now. Apples and oranges. 

11 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

the block, so he can either create pressure or get a sack providing the QB doesn't adjust accordingly. 

That is the lamest justification for extending him that I have ever heard of.  So he's kig of the almost sacks. If he could only get those qbs from moving he would win 100% of the time. I also need them to stop running the ball so I can get more chances at a sack. Because I suck a stopping the run. Yeah that screams a player you should hang into.

17 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I want him to succeed but he's going to really have to show he can survive the NFL.  I said before the draft last year that I would back whoever we chose.  Young is it and for our sake I hope the hell he shows he really is worthy of the #1 pick. 

His weight and his height are factors, not to mention he doesn't really have a great deep ball.  

I am pulling for him, but I am also ready to face that fact that he just doesn't have the build for a Franchise NFL QB.  

If you expect him to be the entire offense then you are going to be disappointed. Being the 1st player selected is not a reason to expect that he could make a up for everyone's else's responsibilities. 

Will he even make it in the nfl? I have no clue.  He had zero chance last season. I doubt his situation it will improve much this season so I have little faith he will. But I have no faith that this team has or will improve in any aspect anytime soon so there's that.

11 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I’m just telling you he wins 1 out of 4 times. You want game saving plays yet we had 0 4th quarter leads and teams could just run at us in the 4th to seal the deal. Thad’s lack of opportunities. 

Wins what? A missed tackle?  I have not seen him win anything.  If he were everything y'all said he is then why the lack of opportunity? Is our defense so good we don't need him all the time? I'm not sure what you are trying to prove?