Jon Snow

If this place closes I will have to go into rehab. 

Just now, Khyber53 said:

Dalton was brought in as a veteran to be the mentor to Bryce.

And an emergency back-up if need be. Never meant to really take the reins.

And well, I really think it's time to put Hooker in, set Andy back on the bench and in the film room. Bryce needs more time to heal. Maybe a lot more time.

 

If you think Andy was bad just wait until you see Hooker. Thats if he has even learned enough of the playbook to complete 1 drive much less an entire game.

1 minute ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Yeah I can already see the writing on the wall.  They pick up year 5 to buy themselves more time.  The rationale will be that the year 5 salary is an absolute steal for a franchise QB.  Its the Sam Darnold logic.

Which would have probably worked out better in the ling term had the FO just stuck with it for a little longer. But hindsight is 50/50.

1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

Keeping Young would be worst than bringing in someone who isn't even as good as him.

Once a 1st overall pick has proven to not be the guy, keeping him around is just asking for trouble, more so than going for a re-set.  Especially as it would mean picking up his 5th year, which in turn means he's probably here for 2 more years.

Sometimes you have to take 1 step backwards to then be able to take 2 steps forward, rather than just staying stuck in the mud.

All you really care about is the Tmac gets his yards. Im not interested in taking a step back. You either improve a situation or you shouldn't be the coach or GM. Im not listening to anyone that can't see past a long ball pass. It takes a hell of a lot more than a big arm to be a great qb in the nfl.

1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

I didn't say do nothing if we don't draft one in the 1st and I"m not counting on a FA to magically become a franchise QB.

But signing a FA to be our starter for the year and then re-address the next offseason would be FAR better than reaching on the wrong QB in the 1st this offseason.

Feeling we HAVE to find our long term solution just because we need a new QB is how we got into this mess.  We thought Two Gloves would be at worst an average level QB for a few years, that didn't happen, so we went out and traded for Darnold.  That didn't work so we went out and traded for Baker, that didn't work so we went out and traded up to get Bryce.

Our last 4 QB moves were all trying to force a solution, none of them worked out, and we're still trying to find Cam's replacement all these years later.  We'd just have been better off spending a year or two building up the rest of the team and going year to year on FA QB's while doing so.  I get it, it will be frustrating to deal with, but then when you find that actual long term solution, they plug right into an already built out roster and you're ready to contend immediately.

You're not going to find a better starter in FA than Young. Its that simple. You can bring in another reject for "competition" if it makes you feel better but the truth is Young will be starting here next season barring another injury. 

1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

If you take a QB in the 1st and it doesn't work out, it absolutely sets you back 3-5 years unless you're so bad that you luck into another top pick in a good QB year and can replace them before that time period is up.

Because if that doesn't happen, you end up with that QB as your starer for at least 3 years, even if you then replace them after that time, you generally have a year or two of growth with a new QB too.

So yea, if you take the wrong QB in the 1st round, it's usually going to be a good 5 years before you have a chance to be a contending team again.

And yes, I know that's not a hard rule that always takes place, but in 95% of the bad 1st round QB picks, that's the case.

If he wins the starting job there's no set back. If you are seeking someone to start day 1 and ball out from there then good luck. Doing nothing at qb is not a strategy and counting on a FA reject to magically become a Franchise QB is not a real plan either. They will have to draft another qb if you really want Young replaced at QB1.

6 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

I cant really blame him for smiling while watching Dalton get his ass kicked. I smiled when I saw him smile. lol

Im sure what he was thinking was "see, its not so damn easy to execute this game plan after all".

1 minute ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

We could still get the Bucs backups in week 18 as well.

There's no guarantee they could beat the Bucs backups. 

Just now, tukafan21 said:

Not against it, clearly, seeing as I'm one of the more vocal anti-Bryce guys on here.

But I'm nowhere near saying that I'm "all in" on it at this point, for many reasons.  Mainly because it's way too early to know where we'll be drafting, what QB's will be actually worth 1st round picks, and who might be there once we're on the clock.

If there is a QB that makes sense, then yes, 100% I'm in.

But reaching and taking the wrong QB will set us back another 5 years.  We're not a piece or two away from contending, but I do think we have a lot of nice building blocks in place that if we go about things the right way the next few offseasons, we have a real shot at being relevant again this decade.

It would not set us back 5 years when it would only cost 1 draft pick. Now if they try to trade up again I will be all for burning BOA to the ground. 

1 minute ago, CRA said:

I think there will be another Atlanta type game.  I think each season, you can count on about 2 random games where teams just really gift you a game.   

I think we have already had those 2 games. They were the Atlanta and Dallas games. 

1 minute ago, Shotgun said:

I thought we would win 3-4 games so they've already met and exceeded my expectations. 

I agreed with Vegas with 6.5 wins for the season before it started. Now im not sure they get 6 wins with the coaching displayed yesterday. Im taking the under.

Draft 1, hell draft 2 if you have to. Just get some fresh bodies in the damn place. 

11 minutes ago, strato said:

Yesterday was predictable and some predicted it.

 We were due for that bubble to pop. We were outclassed going into it, coaching staff and roster both. 

It doesn’t feel that bad when you predict it but when you have to watch it In real time it is extremely deflating.  

 

I knew it was going to be a loss but it didn't need to be a blowout. Canales could have kept it a respectable loss had he just ran the damn ball with Rico and the score would not have been 40 to 3 blowout at least. 

Just now, ForJimmy said:

Abandoned the run on the first 2 series but had more rushing attempts than passing in a blowout? That doesn’t make sense. He 100% got out coached regardless and should have used Rico more. However Dalton’s performance cost us this game more than anything. 

He started running to try to keep the Bills offense for scoring anymore points on them in the second half when it was too late. He kept trying to get Chuba involved when it wasn't working. 

24 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

5 yards a carry is good but it still doesn't mean you run it every time.  Rico had a couple long runs which brings up the average, over over 20 yards on at least 1 I believe.  Watching the first half, we typically threw it when it was 3rd and long due to the first couple runs getting stopped.  I mean the fact it was 40-9 and we still ran it more than we passed shows me our goal was to run it on them, we just got in too much of a hole.  

Canales abandoned the run on the 1st 2 series. He never allowed the running back to get into a rhythm. He got out coached plain and simple. 

Just now, ProcessBlue2 said:

That’s what I was getting at. If they are going to have a real back-up QB it’s going to have to be somebody that can drive competition, which has ultimately been a cardinal sin here since Bryce was drafted. 

We have a backup starting already and it's not Dalton. What we don't have is a future starter. Forgot a franchise qb I would settle for a really good starter for the time being. 

Just now, ProcessBlue2 said:

He will retire at the end of the season. Canales already said in the press conference that he will continue being the back up. 
 

The real question will be who do they get in the offseason to either A) provide competition in QB room or B) have a competent back up for situations like this. 
 

The problem is can you really have B without A? 

No you cannot have one without the other. I just cannot see the FO looking at the results they see on the field every Sunday and say they are set at the qb position. There is NO WAY they could not see it.

13 minutes ago, strato said:

Allow me to clarify as I am sure you don’t catalog everything I post but there is some qualifying that statement that was done.

I think the Dallas game was his ceiling. He played well for the whole game and didn’t phuck it up and contributed some nice throws. 
 

What he hasn’t done is follow that level of performance with a duplicate. And that one with another. 
No consistency. He is up and back down to date and that is clear as it can be, there should be no arguing that from anyone. He is a roller coaster. 2023 Green Bay, very promising. Followed by two shutouts. 
The end of 2024, followed by the beginning of 2025. 
The best stretch he has is 6 quarters, 2nd half Miami and the Dallas game. MAybe there is another 6 quarters somewhere but that is it. 
So I am looking for him to hit his ceiling and keep that floor a lot higher in this stretch of games. 

Well I don't think he will ever be consistent. He will always be up or down with his play. Mostly down.

1 minute ago, strato said:

Nah, I am not even talking about this year. This is the home stretch for him to show what he has and I totally accept that. 

Im not sure you haven't seen everything already. What you've seen is all there is to see. There's not magical evolution that's going to take place where he turns into the next Drew Brees or Patrick Mahomes. You've seen his best and worst. The worst far outweighs the best.

Just now, strato said:

I accept that that is what he is, I don’t accept settling. I say keep looking. Keep taking shots. Absent any clear improvement from his current inconsistent performance. 
He has had a couple of good ones but they are not followed with more good ones. 

I don't think anyone is settling on him except maybe the team. Im not sure how long that will last. As of today and for the remainder of this season he's the best we have. 

Just now, Stuart Smith said:

I think you just described about 60% of the quarterbacks starting in the NFL today. We may never see another quarterback in Charlotte like Cam that could put the team on his back and will them to win. 

I would argue the percentage is higher than 60%.

Just now, strato said:

You just validated my claim that there are reasonable fair minded people. You and I have disagreed of many things but it was always civil and respectful.

There will be plenty of people who will validate he rest of what I said.

It’s big boy pants time in year three, I think he needs to show he can overcome the obstacles and elevate the players around him to deserve to be the future. 

He's not elevating anyone around him and will never be that kind of qb. He is what he is. He will always need a good team around him to play his best. His best is not a game changer but game manager. If you accept that then you will understand what the outlook is going forward. 

11 minutes ago, strato said:

That is where I saw us being this season, finally. But that may have just gone by the boards with this OL attrition.
 

And there are fair minded people who believe he has a bigger upside that has yet to play out, but man there are some people that won’t hear anything that doesn’t align with their fanning and the excuses will fly if he doesn’t perform. We have lived that already. 

 

Well from where I sit in the peanut gallery there's no excuse left. Injuries happen and others have to step up. We aren't winning more than one more game at best. And that's if our backup level qb can manage to pull himself together and do his best to not lose the game before the 2nd quarter starts. Im not talking about Andy if that's not clear.