Jon Snow

13 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Most are depth--

We certainly hope so. They need to do a better job of finding day 2 and 3 talent or this team will continue to be bottom dwellers.

33 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I do this so I can see it--but it is possible that we address every position group on the defense in this draft--:  

OLB Edge:  Clowney, Wonnum, Jones, DRAFT PICK.

ILBs:  Jewell, Rozeboom, Wallace  DRAFT PICK

DE:  Derrick Brown, Robinson, Wharton,  DRAFT PICK

DT:  Brown III, Crumedy, Tuttle DAY DRAFT PICK

CB: Horn, Jackson (he he), Smith-Wade (nickel)  DRAFT PICK

S: Moehrig, Richardson, Scott, DRAFT PICK

 

 

I would not expect a future starter from every pick in this draft. Most of those will be day 3 picks. 

12 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

It would work.  the question is, do we need an edge if we draft Walker? 

Yes. You cannot have too many pass rushers.

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

I am thinking he would be the Panther's version of Micah Parsons and we would still draft an edge.

He will be an OLB here.

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I am not sure I am buying that. Or that he is a definitively elite player. His ceiling is very high, without a doubt.

He's been mocked to either the Ravens or Eagles in the past week. Prior to that it was the Dolphins. He's big and fast with great ball skills so who knows? I feel the same way about him as I do Walker, uncertain. 

36 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Yeah, it is not a professor thing, but that is the role where I noticed it.  A CEO sitting in a brainstorming session tends to leave the room confirming what he thought instead of taking the best ideas and rethinking the position.  So it might be more about how he is in the room more than if he is in the room.

The entire room is taking visual clues from the boss. Its impossible to avoid. I finally had to limit the number of meetings I had with the staff. I had to limit my involvement to phone calls to individual team leads and monthly staff meetings. It made a night and day difference in creativity and productivity. 

Just now, kungfoodude said:

I think that would be a massive overdraft. Like the player but to be a top 10 safety you really need to be a stud.

Jeremiah says he's the best in the draft if that means anything. He raves about him. 

3 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Which is odd because Starks has the better film IMO.  We just love some gamecocks.

They are different types of safety apparently. Starks is more of a strong safety where Nick is a free safety according to DJ. I have not researched either to know enough either way. 

12 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

a safety over a pass rusher does feel panthery

It surprised my as well when I saw how many times they met with him. At first I was thinking he was a trade down option but now I'm not so sure.

They are targeting a pass rusher but it must be in the 2nd round on day 2. I think day 1 it's Walker or Emmanwori at 8 as the 2 options. I haven't seen them show as much interest in any offensive players on day 1.

Just now, therealmjl said:

Emanwori is the target

I've thought that for awhile. They've shown way too much interest in him.

5 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Great metaphor.  I would be in the room, I would be watching the process and evaluating my staff and personnel.  I might even have them explain their thinking to me, but I would do so in a way that did not make them think I was evaluating them or questioning their decisions--if that is even possible.

As a college educator teaching a principal leadership program, I was constantly aware of the irony of expecting my students to follow my directions, dictate information I was telling them, and then completing my assignments.  I implemented a lot of group work during my seminars, and I noticed that when I joined the group, they all made comments looking at me, as if seeking my approval.  I wondered if it distorted the message they were really sending, converting it to something they felt that I wanted to hear.  If I said nothing, they examined my face for clues or silent affirmation.  Even though I gave them the green light to say whatever, I was the alpha, not the person speaking.  It changed the dynamic.

So I had them meet online in Zoom groups.  I did not attend, but I had them record the session and include the link.  I could tell there was a difference.  They were more empowered, confident, and creative.  Those were the future leaders I wanted to see. 

So If Tepper is going to participate, he needs to do so in a manner that does not have his employees second guessing or looking at his face for approval.  He needs to realize that his leaders work best when they rely on their expertise and intuition instead of guessing what Tepper's might be.  This is not Tepper's fault; it is human nature.  Watch wolves or geese or any hierarchical power structure--if the leader is NOT making the decision, he or she is influencing it.  So Tepper needs to be aware.  With Fitterer, I got the impression that he was Tepper's puppet--always seeking a pat on the head.  He was our worst GM ever. 

So yes, be part of it, but understand your role and do all that you can to empower the subordinates to act in ways they see fit instead of speculating what the Alpha might want.  Does that make sense?  It is a gray area that most might not think about.

All of this ^^^^^^.

I'm not a professor but I have supervised highly skilled professionals for 25 years and everything in this post holds true in the private sector as well. 

The most powerful person in the room will always influence his subordinates just by their presence alone. No matter how many times I tried delegate authority you cannot truly empower you people until you remove yourself as much as possible. Every time I was in the room all eyes were on me whether I had anything to do with what was going on or not.

The top dog has the room whether he wants it or not. It just human nature. 

1 hour ago, Basbear said:

I swear two teams Ive heard at least 10 players linked to are the jags and jets. 

They have the highest associated number. 

I think they are impossible right now to pick for, thus makes picking for the Panthers the same. 

I think you have to factor need into it. What do they desperately need?

15 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

https://x.com/slickrickscoops/status/1910818113844576593?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA
 

 

How could you not believe someone who calls himself Slick Rick?

6 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Guess I wasn't around for that discussion

It's still ongoing. It seems there's a large contingent of Penn St. fans on here.

11 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

I wouldn’t hate it. He flashes on film similar to Brian Branch. 

He seems to be the player they've shown the most interest in so far. He fits the system perfectly and fills a huge need. The best case scenario would be to trade back a few spots of course so it would feel more palatable. I think that's what they are hoping for. I also think they are fully prepared to pull the trigger if they cannot. 

3 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Before I look at the other picks--

First, this should mean that we get a trade offer from Pittsburgh, based on rumors.  I take the trade.

If not, I take (and this will get you all riled up) ROT Armond Membou.  I do not think we have to reach for a defensive player.  Membou would not be popular, but Moton has a bad wheel and is in the last year of his contract.  We could cut Nijman and maybe trade Moton for a WR.   We'd get a really good OL and not have to worry about finding a T next year.  

BPA baby. Don't reach.  the second round has edge players.  The third has DL.   We'd simply need a WR and S, and Richardson was not bad in 2024.

I'm sticking by my prediction that if they are stuck at 8 they will take the safety from SC. I'll even go so far as to say that they will take him even if Walker is on the board. How do you like me now?

43 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

 

Mike pretty much nailed what the Panthers need and who's a better fit in the 1st round. 

Just now, BlazeCarolina said:

Ouch.  I feel like that is a reach.  Hopefully a trade down first.

I think that is what they want to do if they cannot land Walker. If you just go off visits alone one would think Emannwori is who they really want. Trading with Dallas would be best case scenario for the Panthers in this draft.

In this scenario the hope would be to swap 1st and 2nd round picks with Dallas and still get who they want on day 1.

Nick Emmanwori would be the Panthers pick in this scenario. 

28 minutes ago, bythenbrs said:

Okay, throw away the poll list.  You're the Panthers GM and we're on the clock; Emannwori is available.  Would you pick him at 8?  

 

Is he worth it? Maybe. I know the team is seriously interested in him or they wouldn't have met with him 3 times. He's the best safety in this draft and 1 of only 2 safties that are day 1 worthy picks. 

The way I see it is that the team has the option of taking a player at a position that is a huge value to draft. That's edge, tackle, qb or wide receiver. Ask yourself who in this class of day 1 picks could benefit the Panthers the most to draft.

Now look at the visits and see what positions they have put the most time in day 1 players. Two things stand out to me. They are focusing on defense and it's OLB and a safety. I think it comes down to 3 players and they are Walker, Stewart and Emmanwori. Everyone else is smoke and mirrors. 

1 minute ago, bythenbrs said:

No disagreement with you.  The poll is me exploring the possibility that we do not get an acceptable trade down offer and have to make a choice at 8 so, who is a true BPA, not a need pick.

The problem with saying bpa is who's bpa are you talking about? The term bpa is always in the eyes of the beholder. When I look at all the projected day 1 selections I see 2 that stand out. The next guy could go 4 or as far down as 32. It's that wide open the way I see it. If you want my honest opinion Cam Ward is a day 2 qb and is lucky he's the best of the group. 

1 minute ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Yea I’m not in love with any of the guys to be honest.  Not a great class to be picking 8th overall unfortunately.  It would be better to have several 2nd round picks.

I think you just have to decide on who you really want out of the day 1 players regardless of where there are slotted to go and just take them when you are on the clock. 

3 minutes ago, bythenbrs said:

For true BPA at 8, not need but BPA, I've come around to thinking that Will Campbell (OT) represents the best player available.  Flame away.

After Carter and Hunter there are about 20 other players that could be bpa. It just a matter of team need/preference.

5 minutes ago, bythenbrs said:

It's 5:00 o'clock somewhere...

I'm retired so I have 6 Saturday's every week.