Jon Snow

12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

 

Gilbride was a defensive analyst? What the hell is that?  It didn't involve halftime adjustments obviously. 

Not much farther than they went with Teddy. It's still the same coaches, same game plan or lack thereof.  Tom Brady himself couldn't fix this mess.

1 minute ago, Sgt Schultz said:

That does kinda hurt the eyes to read, doesn't it? 

I was thinking the same thing. 

My hope is that Fitt will start drafting a qb every year like he said he believed in. Of course the guy in charge doesn't seem to listen to his minions so there's that.

FUBAR

Best case scenario? 2 years. 

Worst case scenario? 3 years after Rhule is fired.

Just now, rayzor said:

That's kind of complicated. Remember who it is making these decisions here.

True, forgot about that. 

This will not end well.

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

So its not just as easy as saying "We have to trade back".   We were looking for offers last year and nobody came with any value.  I think the same thing happens this draft.   A team must really really want to move up to make a fair offer and even then it may not be worth it

This^

This another Madden. 

30 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

Draft, and draft the OL often.  I see SI has mocked us taking Neal at #6, which I would be fine with. 

I'd also be fine trading down to the 9-13 range (the Ravens draft at 14 and reportedly looking heavily at OTs) if we can add a second round pick (which looks about right on the draft value chart).

Yes, I know we need a QB.  Yes, I realize it sounds like they love Pickett.  I don't have nearly as high of an opinion as we hear they do.  I'd take OL in rounds 1 and 2 if we trade down, but would consider a QB in round 2.  But until we have an OL that prevents the opposing rusher to simply spring to out QB, it is a losing proposition.

Here are our problems.  We have one OL that we are sure of.  We have two we drafted last year that may or may not be part of the future, either as starters or reliable as depth.  We failed at learning much about them in their first year, despite having the opportunity to do so.  That means we need between 2 and 4 starting OL, and we don't know what that number is. 

Trying to build an OL in one year is a fool's game.  If we somehow drafted 4 starters this year and they stick, they all time out of their rookie deals at the same time.  Now add that the odds of achieving that in one draft are also minimal.  I'm open to drafting 1 FA, but they need to be under 30 and not somebody's cast off.  We have not proven good at that, and if we are going the FA route, I don't want Rhule being the guy trying to identify who the FA is.  I don't want versatility nearly as much as I want quality at a position.I  No point in taking anybody at 30 or over because they are not going to push us over the threshold in 2022, so they need some longevity.  We have too many needs/unanswered questions all over the roster to get carried away (which I think we did this past offseason).

As for the QB, our depth chart is basically bare.  I don't know any more about Darnold than I knew last year, due to the injury and our poor OL.  But, after 4 years in the league being cannon fodder, I am not optimistic.  That is a lot of baggage to overcome.  Drafting a QB in round 2 or later (if we trade down) may put somebody on the depth chart, either above or below Darnold....or not.  But at this point, if my fears about Darnold are correct, he is a backup which is probably not realistic after 2022.

The long and short of this is because of our own incompetence in evaluating young players and our 2021 crop all appearing to regress (which is likely also our own incompetence, not theirs), my expectations for 2022 are what they were for 2021.  I have no illusions we are a solid playoff team next year.  If we don't show further incompetence (BIG if), hopefully we take the next step in 2023.....under Rhule or somebody else.  Most likely it is somebody else, but if he corrects past sins, so be it.

Amen!!!

Draft, this team sucks at FA signing.  They are no where near talent laden enough to sign a few FA's.

I never understood the fascination with going after high priced FA's while this team flounders around in the NFL cellar.  That is not how you build a team.

Draft.

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

Bucs and Steelers are looking.

I considered them both to be possibilities to take a shot at one.  I think one of those teams go hard for Aaron Rodgers. Both will probably sign a veteran as they are more attractive landing spots.  All of them will be picked before the Panthers pick again so if they want one it's take him at 6. 

They also could do something stupid like trading future picks to jump back into the 1st somewhere to get their guy. That idea turns my stomach. 

1 hour ago, L-TownCat said:

He’s not going to be good.  
 

That is all.

I wouldn't count on any of these guys being good to be honest.  I mean one could turn out to be an all pro somewhere if he's lucky enough to land on the right team. But I doubt teams in the bottom of the draft are looking for a qb, else they would not be drafting that late.

Personally I would go oline were it me calling the shots. But if I were I would have sent Rhule packing and let someone else make the call.

You left off option c.

C. Do not care because it's a Rhule selection.

I think Joe is speculating on this.  But it wouldn't surprise me.

3 hours ago, Panther'sBigD said:

No, you should stop. If you like what he posts, that's fine. Don't waste your time wagging your finger at others because they don't. 

Then by all means continue to look and act like an ass.

17 hours ago, The Huddler said:

the young buck can still win the job.  i assume this is for competition

I'm sure it is. It's going to be tough for this rookie to supplant the best long snapper in Panthers history.  Especially since he was on IR his rookie season. 

I get trying to stash the rook because JJ is still the best for Christmas sake. But his contract ran out so I assumed it was the rookie no matter what. Hard to figure Rhule logic. 

3 hours ago, Panther'sBigD said:

Crickets from Scot for months until the Tepper/Rhule bashing threads started in earnest. Since then he's been here every day adding to the pile, lol. 

You should stop. You have no clue about Mr Scott and what he contributes to this board. 

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

On the work front, I'd much rather see Monday made a national holiday.

Either that or start the game earlier in the day...before I can get drunk and pass out.

Brother I can tell you some divorce stories that will make your hair stand up. 

But seriously, I have walked in your shoes about 14 years ago. I had 2 kids and even though I went through hell it was even harder for them. But with 2 years of therapy for all of us and a great layer we prevailed. 

This place was my sanctuary back then. Those that once roamed the pages on this board kept me going. A few still haunt the place, much like myself.  And to all of you who were there,  I thank you.

Even though you didn't know it at the time you kept me sane and fighting.  Ss for the rest of the assholes on here I say...

5 minutes ago, rayzor said:

They might have set us up for success later on more than horn. Definitely more than darnold. But I am definitely thinking more that OL would have been a better choice than a CB in the first and much better than the WR we got in the second. It just wasn't a good call in either room and considering how much OL talent there was and how great a need there was/is. Yeah, CB was an issue, but not as big an issue as OL. WR wasn't an issue, though, not compared to OL. And we totally muffed it 

I completely agree that oline should have been the call if it wasn't QB. We had issues everywhere so I can't really bitch about going defense over qb, but it's different matter when it comes to oline. 

While I don't agree with their approach to building this thing I do think I see what they attempting to do...kinda.  Hopefully this offseason will clear things up...or 

7 minutes ago, rayzor said:

I think horn will be great, but that wasn't the right decision to make. We could have had someone that would have made a much bigger impact on the game/season/future overall. OL or QB would have been a much wiser choice. 

An offensive lineman might have contributed, but not one of the qbs in the last draft would have changed the outcome of last season.  It would have only served to make the fans feel better for a few games.  It would have only been a Pacifier for the fans until Sam inevitably crap the bed.

So I gotta somewhat disagree old buddy.